Second time trying Anabeta + a few extras. All advice and input is appreciated!
06-03-2012 10:40 AM
I didn't mean to NOT having the fish oil in the morning , but don't dose it ALL in the morning , have the fish oil spread out with more meals. Now as for the BCAA's intraworkout I'm gonna have to ask for the link from Tomahawk , it all comes down to spiking Insulin with the High Leucine , I did see it being more effective since it did come with studies after it , and when I tried it I noticed I was just falling for the same old propaganda and placebo effect one gets from believing the media or their write ups on products on the website that they sell em at, I'm not gonna lie , stuff looks great in there nice and neat beside the add to cart...but if you really are just piling in a bunch of Leucine , the reaction will be an insulin spike which would be best followed by some carbs and protein , if thinking fast protein for spike , Hydrosolates would be the best...its more of a preference but hey , its ok if you don't believe lol , I don't keep all my sources at hand like many here , I do for the AAS section when I see a newb going without a SERM haha I smack them with links...And well , mainly is mostly advice I picked up here from the guys , specially Mr.Cooper , if you need some data , he keeps it close at hand all the time , so go ahead shoot him a PM hehe , I don't like the condescending tone I feel sometimes from people when they ask my sources xD so for easy reference ask Mr.Cooper like I said haha , in the end , its just advice , they are all just supps you don't really need (well the fish oil yeah...I'm not gonna lie that sh*t is magic I tell yah) but the rest , no one needs sups to cut/bulk , if I advice someone on how to use em best its because I care ;p and in the end its just advice , need some more info , it is a PM and a search away ! Good luck on your goals!
Originally Posted by tyrub42
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06-03-2012 04:08 PM
Crazy detail here...i love it
06-03-2012 08:34 PM
Originally Posted by Celorza
Thanks for getting back to me so quickly! That does sound really interesting about leucine spiking insulin. I will be honest, I haven't heard about that before, so it looks like I will have some stuff to google after work, haha. That will kind of suck if I can't effectively use BCAA intra, as it is also my whole flavoring system for my gallon of water that I drink during workouts (which would also make it kind of a PITA to take all at once at the end, but if it is more effective, I will see what I can do). My other concern with an insulin spike is that I don't eat carbs after workouts any night except Friday; what are your thoughts on that (spiking insulin if I am not eating carbs until the next morning)? Anyway, I hope you didn't feel that I was being condescending when I asked for sources; I was just trying to get more information since both of those things are different than most of what I have heard before (not to say that popular opinion is always right, of course). I do really appreciate your input, and was not trying to condescend you.
06-04-2012 02:04 AM
Wow I forgot how sore heavy sumo deads can make your groin. I am walking around like an old man today (DOMS is always worst on the second day after I work a muscle). Cardio tonight is gonna suuuuuuuuuuuuck! Still feeling good overall, but I really let myself have it on Saturday!
06-04-2012 10:36 AM
lol waddling around work?
06-04-2012 11:48 AM
Haha, I swear like 5 minutes of English Conversation class today was me explaining what a deadlift is and then making fun of myself for moving like an 80-year-old man...BUT the Anabeta definitely came to the rescue today. My DOMS in my legs usually hangs out for literally 4-5 days (today being day 1), but by the time I left work, I was actually feeling much better. I went to do cardio tonight and it did not suck nearly as much as I thought. Still did feel some soreness, but I was able to buckle down and KILL IT. At the end of 30 minutes I had "burned" like 40 more "calories" than I usually do (I use the quotes because the calorie counters on cardio machines are BS except they are useful for keeping track workout by workout).
Originally Posted by nattydisaster
Went on to have a CRAZY feeling pulling day. Doing chainsaws (not sure what the real name is for that exercise), I did 70-80-90-100 dumbbells with 2 minutes rest and got 15-14-7-5 reps, respectively. The highest I have ever done was 100 x 7 reps, but that was when I was specifically trying to see what my max was. Honestly, each weight went up like it was 10 pounds lighter than it actually was. Went on to up the intensity (I was late) with some pull downs (grip slightly wider than shoulder-width), upright rows, and hammer curls, before racing over to bjj. Bjj was a sweaty, disgusting mess as we currently have about 90% humidity (so I hear), and opted not to turn on the AC tonight. It was the only time there were literal puddles of sweat all over the mats. I had a good session, and then raced home to shower as fast as possible, haha. Had a small protein shake (~20 grams of protein...cytosport chocolate whey that I just picked up from Costco...surprisingly tasty), and now eating a smallish (25-30 grams of protein) piece of steak. Costco had top sirloin that looked not too fatty. I was able to trim most of the fat off of the edges. I needed something besides freaking chicken for a day, haha.
Overall still loving the Anabeta, but was disappointed with my weight today. The lazy diet of the weekend put me back up to 85kg on the scale. Not real weight, but it was a shock and helped give me the kick in the ass I needed to make sure I don't have any more f**k ups with my diet.
Tomorrow is the bachelor party. It will be fun, but will not help my progress. It, and the wedding on Saturday, will be the only times I drink too much this month. I will try to keep both withing reason, but who knows how crazy this BP is gonna get.
Will update again as soon as I can. Thanks, everyone!
06-04-2012 12:14 PM
I dont think anyone else has touched on this, but you mentioned using ATD. I would definitely opt for something like Erase instead, because ATD has a good amount of data showing it is anti-androgenic.
Good luck with the wedding and the bachelor party!
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06-04-2012 08:07 PM
Originally Posted by kevinhy
Thanks a lot for mentioning this! The ATD is definitely the wildcard in this stack, as I really don't know if it is doing anything good or me at all. It also tastes like death because of the way I mixed it, so dropping it would not be a problem for me. I don't usually use any kind of AI, but I had 2 grams of ATD sitting around, and figured this was better than throwing it away. However, if it is likely to do more harm than good, I can just dump it. What does everyone think about that? Not so much ATD vs. another AI, but ATD vs. nothing? Would I be better off not using any AI at all? Thanks!
06-05-2012 01:33 AM
In for bachelor party stories
06-05-2012 06:19 AM
Quick bump for opinions on whether or not to continue ATD usage. I am doing a low dose (25 mg/day), and don't have another AI to replace it with (I bought two grams at like 2 or 3 dollars a gram when ATD was still cool and forgot I had it for a few years). I tried transdermal formestane years ago and got zero results from it (although I was 21 at the time, so maybe that is why it didn't do much), but never tried ATD. Given my age (28), the dosage (25 mg/day), and the other supplements I am taking, what do you guys think, keep using it, or trash it (and why)? It is my biggest question mark in this stack. Please give your opinions. Thanks!
06-05-2012 06:42 AM
Sorry guys, I forgot to list a couple of things on page one. I am taking A green shake (Amazing Grass brand from Costco) daily and have been for about a year. I will also start taking the Costco brand multi and b complex that I have here. Not sure if those do anything, but I have them. Anyway, please comment on the ATD post above. Thanks!
06-05-2012 04:29 PM
Just got back from the bachelor party...it was...as expected. I have never been to one before, but the details that I can get into without incriminating anyone are: giant luxury hotel room including large private swimming pool and several hot tubs, more booze than any room should have, about 40 rowdy dudes, and some live...entertainment...interes ting experience to say the least, but this night is gonna cost me as far as progress goes. Even so, it was worth it! Hopefully will feel ok tomorrow. Still trying to drink a Sh*tload of water and the Taiwanese version of Gatorade ("Super Supau," which, honestly, is the most delicious "sports drink" ever) before I go to sleep. Goodnight, all...and please, comment on the ATD question above!
06-06-2012 06:32 AM
Woke up feeling understandably hungover today. Luckily I had some sulbutiamine laying around. About 500 mg of that got me through work today. Still feeling rough but I am not going to let that stop me. Leaving now, will report later. Hopefully my workout ends up being ok!
06-06-2012 11:13 AM
Well, tonight's workout sucked! Cardio was actually really good, and I was able to go faster and harder than usual for some reason. Once I got on the weights, it was bad. I needed much longer set breaks (4 min), was feeling dizzy and terrible from the hangover, had a massive headache, and tried as best I could to push through it. I ended up only getting two exercises in (flat bench and military dumbbells). My numbers were too much lower than normal, but I felt like ass, and before I knew it it was 10 o clock, and I had to go home. I had to skip bjj altogether because of how bad I felt. Hopefully the hangover will be gone tomorrow, and I will be able to get back to killin' it on Friday.
06-08-2012 07:12 AM
Today's workout was intense! I did back, biceps and traps today. My grade 12 students have graduated, so now I only have to work from 5-6:30 on Fridays. I was able to wake up, eat breakfast, and then 2 hours later I was off to the gym. Cardio was a slow starter today (that usually happens if I do it within a few hours of waking up), but finished strong. Once I was lifting, I felt like an animal. I was blasting through sets fairly quickly, and my numbers were impressive. Doing bent-over rows, I was able to pull 205 for 4 reps. My personal best on that is 205 for either 4 or 5 reps. That might not sound too impressive, since it is only at or slightly below my personal best, BUT I was not trying to see how much I could pull today. I was doing every set to utter exhaustion, and only taking 2 minute breaks between sets. 205 was my fourth set, so I had already exhausted myself three other times, taken shorter breaks than normal, and still tied or almost tied my best set ever for that exercise. This was all done while losing weight. I was down to 83.5kg today (about 184 pounds), down from 85 when I started Anabeta (like 9 days ago). I will have to wait to see if 83.5 was legit or not, since it was a different time of day than when I usually weigh myself; however I am looking leaner and fuller all over. This week, I started feeling more aggressive than normal. Nothing out of control, but I feel like a bit of an animal in the gym and I can feel it all day now. I am also recovering much faster. I had a workout today that was more intense than what I am used to, which would normally kill my energy for the rest of the day, but I feel wide awake and full of energy right now, three hours after finishing the workout. I don't feel sore at all, and the only severe DOMS I have felt in the past week was from a very intense legs day. Even that gave me much less DOMS than it normally would have, and I recovered from it faster as well.
As far as downsides so far, I can't think of much. I was hoping for the weight to melt off a bit faster, but it makes sense that it isn't, since I am eating a lot (even though it is all much healthier than normal). I am still leaning out at a good pace, but if I am above 83KG at the end of next week, I will have to reduce my PM carb intake. My digestive system has also been feeling rough since I started this. I don't think this is because of the Anabeta, as I have never noticed this effect before. I suspect it is either the creatine, the ATD, or the food. I am still not really noticing any distinct feeling from the ATD, but at the dose I am taking, and my lack of results from another AI, chances are it will either do nothing, or it will have a very subtle effect that wouldn't be super noticeable. Still not sure if it is even worth taking it, but I looked into the negative effects of ATD and it seems like none of them should be noticeable at 25mg/day. If I am wrong, please someone tell me!!!
Well, I guess that's it for now. I am going to go do some bjj and get to bed. I have to be at the wedding at 10am tomorrow morning. It goes from 10-10, so I will have to bring some protein powder or chicken breasts or something. As usual, please leave any questions, comments, etc. (this thread has not been getting too much love in recent days...)
06-13-2012 11:09 AM
Not sure if anyone is reading this anymore, but I will keep on posting. Anabeta is in full swing, and I have been feeling energized and aggressive lately. I had to look for an apartment on Monday and had to watch my students' play tonight, so I couldn't do bjj, but I did manage to get great workouts in on both days. Monday I ran to the gym right after work. I got a killer Chest/shoulders/triceps workout on Monday. Today was probably the best workout I have had since I started. It was a pulling day, so I did bent over rows, chainsaws, and some squat presses since I missed my legs day last Saturday. Then it was getting late so I super setted narrow grip pull downs (slightly wider than shoulder width), upright rows, and bicep curls. I set personal records on bent over rows and chainsaws in the same day, which was surprising. For bent over rows, I did 60, 70, 80, 90, and 100kg in sets of 20, 15, 10, 5, and 1, respectively. I have never been able to get 100kg up before today, and I am pretty sure that my best set of 90kg was 4 reps. After that, I did squat presses, and then chainsaws. For chainsaws I did sets with 70, 80, 90, and 100 pound dumbbells (yeah, some weights here are in pounds and some in kg...not sure why) in sets of 15, 12, 10, and 6 reps, respectively. I have never gotten 90s up 10 times before (not even sure if I have gotten 8 before today), and I have never gotten 100s up more than 4 times before. This is especially significant since this was after blasting my lats with bent over rows. I also usually get really poor workouts if I wake up early, but today it was no problem.
My weight as of today is 83.2kg. I am not sure if that is legit or not, since it is a different time of day then I usually weigh myself, so I will have to see how much I weigh on Friday. It seems like so far, so good, though. I am now two weeks into it and feeling the effects of my diet and supplements. I am finding it more and more difficult to stick to my diet recently, but I am finding ways around it. I think I will not be able to eat purple rice or oatmeal for a few days. I will have to change my morning meal to a protein shake with a banana and half a wheat bagel, and today I started eating a great meal that I forgot about: chicken breasts with sweet potatoes. I take about 150g sweet potato, fry up some garlic in a little olive oil, throw in the potatoes, add a little terriaki and mash it all together. I ate that for two meals today and it was awesome. That should get me through at least another week before I get sick of it. That's all for now!
06-15-2012 07:30 PM
Awesome gains man, I gained like seven lbs on ABE and am going to try upping the dose just out of curiosity tomorrow. not sure what my overall recomp has been. I am not trying to bulk up right now, but next time I run it I want to get my BF checked before and after and keep b & a pics etc. doing 6 caps a day probably just to see whether it would be worth doing a whole cycle of the higher dosed stuff.
edit* decided to run 8 a day for $h1ts n giggles, see what happens.
06-15-2012 10:13 PM
Tyler definetely still following, keep it up bro
06-17-2012 10:21 AM
Thanks for the replies, guys! I was starting to get lazy about this log, as I didn't think anyone was following it. Had two more great workouts on Friday and Saturday. Got my bench back up to the 225 mark, which it hasn't been at in a loooooong time (stopped prioritizing chest as it isn't a super useful muscle compared to a strong back and legs, then hurtmy rotator cuff and labrum a few years ago so had to take a few months completely off, which never helps anything haha). Overdid it on deadlifts yesterday. I haven't done more than bodyweight since I hurt my back (December 2010), but the weight was just feeling so light, I had to bump it up. Went to 205 then 225 (or something like that...90kg then 100kg). Got 6 reps in a 225 then got scared and stopped. Gave my back a good stretch, finished quads, did another round of back stretches, and went home. I was hoping to wake up without any oh-sh#t-what-did-I-do-to-myself feeling in my back. I woke up feeling awesome! Not only does my back feel great with no signs that I aggravated the disc injury, I have no soreness in my back or legs...at all. I was thinking about it today, and this past week I had no DOMS in any muscle group. Usually I don't get anything too bad in any body part except legs. My legs get crazy DOMS (as I mentioned before, I usually end up hobbling around like an old man 2 days after legs day), and going 50 pounds heavier than normal on deadlifts would usually leave me with VERY sore hamstrings. I still have to wait and see what tomorrow brings, but as of now I have no DOMS at all, whereas I would normally have significant DOMS today and it would be almost crippling tomorrow (ok that was a little overstated, but you get the idea). The Anabeta is still going strong. I am still feeling much more driven then usual in the gym. Yesterday, I didn't take my PWO since I went to the gym really late, but I felt almost no difference; even my cardio went well. I am also still feeling more aggressive than usual, but nothing too crazy. I managed not to do anything stupid yesterday when a small, middle-aged man decided to inform my fiance and I that we should go back to America (not as politely stated, of course, and in Chinese)...repeatedly...and yelling at her since apparently in his mind, no foreigner would ever bother to learn any Chinese.
OK now the bad. I am in the middle of getting everything prepared for the wedding pics, and also looking for a new apartment. Because of those, I was not able to do bjj at all on Monday or Wednesday, and then I stayed home on Friday because of a torrential rainstorm that I didn't want to drive through on my scooter. I have also let my diet go a bit in the last few days. Friday was my cheat meal (pizza party with my honors class), buuuuut after that I ate like 3 cookies before bed. Yesterday, I had to go to a neighboring city so my fiance could pick out wedding dresses for the pictures, and I could pick out tuxedos. Everything went well, but she got hungry afterwards, and wanted to go to eat Thai food. I was intent on not eating anything, but once there was a large plate of pad thai at the table, that plan went out the window. Then today, I had to be up at 7 for a funeral (death in her family...sad stuff but no details necessary). Afterwards the whole family went out to a "re chao," which basically serves up some of the greasiest and most delicious stuff you could imagine, all family style. Everyone in her family is super nice, but that screws me over if I am watching my diet, as they all load my plate up with whatever is going around. Not everything is super greasy, but one dish can sum up how bad the food can be for your health: fried bread ...it's exactly what it sounds like. So basically, i have had cheat meals three times in three days. Not good, and my weight will reflect it. However, I do plan on stepping it up in the next 10 days before the pics: one cheat meal in ten days which I don't intend on eating too much at (Wednesday pizza party at work), stepping up workout intensity even more if possible, and thinking about extending cardio to 40 minutes, from 30...also I will cut carbs completely on my last two meals on non-training days.
That's it for now...sorry about the long post. Thanks for following!
06-17-2012 10:24 AM
Daaaaaaaaaaaaamn dude, 7 lbs already? How long have you been running it? Any noticable fat gain/loss just from looks? How would you compare ABE to regular AB? Keep me posted on the 8 pills/day...sounds like it could be INTENSE!
Originally Posted by d1sc1ple
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