Second time trying Anabeta + a few extras. All advice and input is appreciated!
- 06-17-2012, 10:39 AM
- 06-17-2012, 06:51 PM
Damn, what a long ass read for 3 pages! But I'm in, very very detailed and I am loving thelogs. You seem to be killing it and I'm definitely thinking about giving anabeta another try, loved my first run of it! I still have the OG anabeta, and after reading this log, I think you've convinced me! Good luck man, and kill it!
- 06-18-2012, 11:52 AM
06-18-2012, 12:19 PM
Ok gonna try to keep it shorter for today's workout. Had to workout first, then take a three-hour break before bjj to go look for apartments. No luck on the apartments, and bjj went fine, but some details on the lifting:
-today was my worst day since the AB really started kicking in. I only slept about 4-5 hours on Fri and Sat nights (had business early in the morning on Sat and Sun), and only 7 hours last night. The lack of sleep was kicking my ass all day, but I felt it particularly in the gym. I got through cardio, and it wasn't too bad (thanks to the AB and the maximize V2), but I haven't felt that exhausted all the way through cardio for awhile. I still pushed myself, which is good, but I didn't feel as amped as I should have.
-same story when lifting. My numbers didn't drop much, but they did drop about 1 rep on most of my back exercises.
-I have noticed that when taking AB, I seem to get stronger, more focused, and sometimes even more energized as my workouts progress. Today I felt like sh#t when I got into the gym. By the end of the cardio, I felt much better, but still slow. My first sets on the weights felt sluggish too, but I kept feeling better and better as the workout progressed. My last exercises were super sets of upright rows and biceps, and those went great. I even had enough energy by the end to get a few sets of heavy dumbbell shrugs.
In sum, it was a bad day at the gym, but I still felt a huge difference from the AB.
06-18-2012, 03:01 PM
06-19-2012, 06:07 PM
06-19-2012, 06:37 PM
06-20-2012, 08:35 PM
Yesterday was a pushing day. I was unable to get to bjj due to the ongoing house hunt, but I made sure to get to the gym. Honestly, I felt like total sh#t in the gym yesterday. I thought it might have been because I reduced the amount of carbs I am eating, but now I am pretty sure that my lack of sleep lately is getting me a bit sick. My throat has been scratchy and I have been feeling run down, so I think I am getting sick. Cardio was a big challenge, but I got through it (I didn't end up upping it to 40 min, though...yet). When doing weights, I felt very tired and run down, and I was starting to feel lightheaded after sets. The incredible thing is that my numbers didn't really suffer. I pushed through it, and managed to still have an impressive workout. On flat dumbbell bench, I even put up 85 pound dumbbells. I know that doesn't sound too impressive, but for me it is. In fact, the only time [either ever, or at least in the past 5 years] that I have put up 85's was three weeks into my last AB run (which I then had to stop, when I thought I damaged an old hernia repair). Except this time I am also trying to cut, whereas I was not doing that during my last run. So, even though I had a sh#tty feeling workout, I am definitely still feeling the effects of the AB. The fat is not melting off, like I had hoped, but I guess that was unrealistic, since I am trying to not lose (or even gain) muscle, while cutting fat. I am still down 2kg so far from the beginning, and my strength is up, so it seems, at least so far, that AB is in fact very useful for recomp. Will update again in a few days. Thanks to everyone who is following and especially those who have posted stuff!
06-20-2012, 08:58 PM
Hey man, I'm glad your pushin your way through the crappy mood/feeling. Just be careful tho! I'm trying to figure out if it's day 5 or 6 of AB, and of it is, I was experiences the lack of motivation and tiredness but what I found out was I increased my carbs a little more and that seemed to help with the mood. Anabeta made me crave the carbs and if I didn't meet my macro for it, I would feel tired and unmotivated. What I took from that is the smartness and wise choices on what kind of carbs I was taking in when I did increase it. I'm glad your still feeling the effects and your numbers aren't dropping. We've all been there man! Just think once you hone in on what's making ya feel this way, it's nothing but up hill! Keep at it man!
06-21-2012, 06:21 AM
06-21-2012, 10:50 AM
Haha im the exact same way with my carbs. I eat about 80-100g of carbs in the morning since i read somewhere and also my nutrition professor said thats where we're the most sensitive to carbs. Then we become more tolerate as the day goes by. So i have basically have done exactly what you have decided to do, and eat big carbs in morning and taper throughout the day, but i try to get atleast 50-75g immediately post workout, with 25-50g of simple carbs (fruit), and then the other 25g with some sort of protein/fat to slow the absorption. Idk im not an expert on this type of stuff, but thats what my major is, becoming a registered dietian w/ another major in microbiology. Took me like a year and a half to figure out that my body was on the binge for carbs! Just my 2 cents! Hopefully the AB won't treat you as bad as it did with me. I was drooling at ice cream, cookies, candy...etc. lol
Go kill it in the gym today and hopefully you feel better.
06-21-2012, 12:56 PM
06-21-2012, 01:25 PM
Haha well I appreciate the compliment but I do base my suggestions on what I have done in my experience. I went to a nutritionist about 3 years ago and that's when I started my path on the nutrition/micro. Still in the works but I'm always down to try to help based on MY experience . Anyways I practically started off what you were doing, reading articles, trying certain diets and then that's when I went into nutrition at college and that has definitely broadened my view on nutrition/health. But again, I'm no expert, don't have my degree yet, but I'm always down to help to the best of my ability!
06-21-2012, 03:45 PM
That was 7lbs in a month but to be fair I quit doing crossfit and two a days so I may have been rebounding from that. Fat mass stayed close to the same might have lost a little but I was eating everything!! Hoping 8 a day puts a few more lb's on me by the end of June.Originally Posted by tyrub42
06-22-2012, 03:24 AM
06-22-2012, 03:56 AM
Well I have had crazy insomnia for the past week, despite being on a huge sleep deficit. I usually go to sleep within 6 hours of taking my preworkout. My remedy for this is a half pill of generic benedryl (same sleep aid as tylenol PM, but much cheaper generic and without extra drugs that I don't need) and a half pill of either alprazolam (xanax) of estazolam (short-acting benzo hypnotic). I take this Monday, Wednesday, and sometimes Sunday (if I need help getting to sleep that night). Recently, I have still been taking up throughout the night an unable to get really good, deep sleep. I thought it was all the extra stress I have been under, but then I read a review of Anabeta that warned not to take the last dose too close to bed time, as it caused insomnia for that user. I have been taking my last dose within an hour of bedtime. Could this be the reason why I can't sleep??? I can't explain how much of an idiot I feel like for not at least thinking about this before now. What do you guys think?
Nattydisaster, you are probably the man with the most information on peoples reactions to AB, has insomnia been reported if the last dose of the day is close to bedtime?
Tonight, I can't afford to lose more sleep, so I will pop a full 2 mg pill of estazolam and my last dose of AB will be before Bjj instead of after. If I still can't sleep after that, I have some serious problems! Now I am off to the gym. I took 2 AB and a pslin with my PWO shake (oats whey banana), and despite the fact that I felt like I was about to collapse 90 minutes ago, I am feeling incredibly energized right now (how the f*#k did I never consider did I not make the connection between my late-night AB dosing and my insomnia..."Why can't I sleep at night. What could be going on. I am taking that supplement that gets me amped up right before sleep, but I don't see any possible connection there." ...
06-23-2012, 01:58 PM
OK guys I am going to try to make this one shorter and just keep to the most important points.
Yesterday's workout (after the crazy insomnia):
Despite feeling terrible and a bit sick from the bouts of insomnia, once I was in the gym, I was in the zone. Cardio was slow to get started but by the time it was over, I was set to tear it up. I set two personal bests. Bent over rows: 225 x 2 (just barely missed the third). I was only able to get one after resting for 2 min and trying it again (almost got the second one up, but couldn't get it all the way). Chainsaws 90 x 12 and then 100 x 8. After 2 min of rest, was able to get 100 x 8 a second time, and then end with 90 x 12 a second time. Pulldowns and biceps were also great, but I don't keep close track of my progress with those.
Today I only had an hour to do cardio and legs. My lower back was a bit sore, so I decided not to do anything that would strain it much. Did squat press and quad extentions. It was an ok workout but I wish I had more time.
My weight is down to 82.3 KG today, putting me down over 5 lbs so far while setting personal bests on several exercises. Booyah!
06-23-2012, 05:25 PM
06-25-2012, 08:06 PM
Another good workout today, but sadly still no time for bjj with all the moving stuff. On the bright side, our new apartment is killer! Anyway, did a pushing day today. No Personal Bests or anything, but still got a great workout in. Oddly enough I feel like the PWO I am taking is not affecting me as much as it used to. This is only weird because I have taken it 3 times a week for the past year with no tolerance ever, and haven't changed the dosing or anything. Not sure what the deal is with that, but maybe I am just less jittery than I thought I would be. My weight today is 82.5. It's pretty good, since I weighed myself after drinking about a gallon of water today, eating 2 meals, etc. I am hoping to be closer to 82 by Friday. Anyway, still feeling good and going strong. The sleep problem seems to have been solved by taking my last dose earlier.
06-25-2012, 08:13 PM
06-25-2012, 08:36 PM
Sorry, double post. Bamski, I am taking Maximize V2 (best PWO I have ever tried and I have tried a lot...Never tried the newer version of it, but I have some waiting for me whenever this runs out). Wedding pics tomorrow...hopefully it doesn't rain too much!
Last edited by tyrub42; 06-26-2012 at 11:57 AM. Reason: double post
06-26-2012, 12:52 PM
06-26-2012, 05:41 PM
Ahhh, I've wanted to try that preWO, but I do see the DMAA, that could be causing the tolerance especially 3x a week for a year haha, maybe that could be the verdict in the minor insomnia?Originally Posted by tyrub42
EDIT: do you drink coffee? If so, do you get/feel more energy with coffee than your PreWO? That also could be a sign. It's a sad day when I realize I have minor tolerance
06-26-2012, 06:17 PM
06-27-2012, 12:17 PM
06-27-2012, 12:20 PM
06-27-2012, 12:26 PM
I don't drink coffee or take in any stims except a fraction of a dose of the Maximize, so I can't say whether the effect is stronger. I actually was using some sample packets that I got with a NP order for almost a year before cracking the tub I bought, since one sample packet lasted me like 6 or 8 workouts. Now that I think about it, I usually take a week off every few weeks, so maybe it is just a bit of a tolerance.
I don't think that is the cause of the insomnia, though, because it has never caused it before, but it could have been a combo of that and the AB or something else. There is no way to tell, but I can sleep again, which is the most important thing.
06-27-2012, 12:32 PM
Well, wedding pics are finished. It took about 14 hours from the time we left home today to the time we got back, and i spent the hottest hours of the day in a tuxedo in the sun (95 degrees today), but I am sure they will look great, as my fiancee could make pretty much any pic look good (even if I am in there, gooning it up!).
I couldn't get to the gym today, or course, and will be spending tomorrow doing the same thing I did yesterday: moving furniture into my new house and packing...so I might not get to the gym again befor my AB runs out on Friday. Either way, I am down to about 82KG (possibly less), my lifts are all up, I feel great, even being this worn down, and I took some before/after pics (terrible lighting, but you can still see a difference). I will write up a formal final review and post those pics (as long as it is easy enough to do) around Friday. Time for some sleep; I earned it! Goodnight everybody!
06-27-2012, 12:36 PM
Oh well now that you made it clear definitely not haha, but seems like you handled it with the PES reps!Originally Posted by tyrub42
06-27-2012, 12:51 PM
Dude, I gotta ask what exactly is in your av. Some kind of pesto ricotta pizza? I don't even know for sure what it is and it makes me hungry whenever I see it!
06-27-2012, 01:01 PM
Haha damn, you know your food pesto/basil (around in a circle), enriched organic wheat flour, organic tomato sauce, with mozzarella (low fat), and nah it's burrata ( mozzarella and cream). Super good and actually filling, sorta low cal depending on what type of ingredient you use.
06-27-2012, 07:19 PM
06-27-2012, 07:23 PM
07-02-2012, 04:39 AM
07-02-2012, 05:14 AM
OK I have moved into my new place and I am ready to do my final review of this Anabeta run:
First of all, as you could all see, I was able to drop 3 kgs in 4 weeks. This would not normally be anything to write home about, but I managed to drop that much weight while setting personal bests on several different exercises, as well as going up at least 10-15% on every exercise, compared to what I was doing before I started the AB run. I had doubts at the beginning as to whether or not AB could be used successfully for recomp, but obviously it can. Some other highlights:
-I felt the AB kick in quickly. Within a day or two, I was feeling stronger, and by the end of the first week, I felt it in full force.
-I kept feeling it strongly for the full run.
-I was able to eat more carbs than I normally would while losing weight. It seems like AB has great nutrient repartitioning qualities.
-I felt much more aggressive than usual.
-No real increased hunger for me, or at least no unusual cravings for junk food while I was dieting. I did feel hungry, but I am always hungry anyway, so I was thankful that I wasn't craving food (especially sweets) 24/7
-Extremely noticeable increase in muscle definition and vascularity, especially in my arms and back.
-I think my arms actually got bigger (not just more cut) even though I was losing weight. My back also feels and looks bigger and thicker than it did at the beginning of the AB run.
-If I took two AB before I lifted, I felt like an Animal when I got to the gym. Adding Pslin to this mix intensified it even more!
Now for anything that was negative, or at least worth noting:
-My sleep was disrupted if I took my last AB dose close to bedtime. It is worth noting that this is apparently not a common side effect of AB. I was also taking several other supplements, including a PWO with a lot of stims in it. That never caused the same kind of sleep disruption, but there could have been a synergistic effect. Either way, I would advise everyone to pay attention to their sleep quality and dose AB further from bedtime if they feel that sleep is affected.
-I had a bit of acne on my back, but it also got much hotter in a very humid country while I was taking the AB, so this might not have been anything to do with the AB.
-As many people have noted, you need to get enough carbs while taking AB. If you don't, you may start to feel a bit woozy and irritable, which is what happens to me. You don't need carbs with every pill, but if you go too long without eating any, you may start to feel like that. On the plus side, it seems like carbs really help you feel the effects of AB, and the AB seems to have nutrient repartitioning qualities (at least in me) so you can take in more carbs without getting fat (within reason).
Overall, I was VERY happy with AB's usefulness for recomp, and would recommend it to everyone. Some ideas that I would love to try for the future include:
-Running 2 bottles at 6 caps/day
-Trying AB elite
-Running AB with a full 30 pill run of pslin ( I found the few pills I had left halfway through and didn't take it every day), as the synergy there was awesome.
I have some before/after pictures taken in reeeeeeeeeeeeeally bad lighting. I will post them later on tonight when my fiancee gets back with her cell phone (yeah...they are bad lighting pics from a cell phone...sorry).
07-02-2012, 09:37 AM
Note: if you liked the original version of anabeta or still want to stay away from an AI, theres a pretty sweet sale going on at NP for the original anabeta, super cheap... well, compared to what i payed for when it first came out
Lets see those before/after pictures!
Note: NOT a rep, just helping out a fellow gym/AM member, gotta save that cash moneyy.
07-02-2012, 04:14 PM
07-02-2012, 05:47 PM
Awww, shucks don't make me blush! But with all the anabeta logs going around, makes me want to log me the other OG bottle I bought way back in the day, when it first came out. But that sale made me happy inside! Thinking about running 6 but at 4, the hunger was the only side effect hahaOriginally Posted by kevinhy
07-03-2012, 12:24 PM
OK I just tried to post the pics, but they are too big and are "unable to be resized" so I will have to do so manually. Does anyone know how to do that?
07-03-2012, 12:31 PM
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