whats the newest trend for full detox?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    Probably the most ignorant post I've read in a good while. The amount of toxins in our environment is much higher and you can see this with the skyrocketing disease rates. Autism all time high, cancer runs rampant. Just because the body is resilient doesn't mean we shouldn't try to make it healthier and more efficient.
    I'm not going to attempt to refute the "amount of toxins higher" but where is the proof that any of these diets make you healthier? We don't have any medical studies that I know of that prove detox diets work or are even necessary. Sky rocketing disease rates? We LIVE longer than at any other time in history. Of course some of these rates are higher, we aren't dying at age 40 anymore. And I'd love to see a study where detox diets have anything to do with autism.

    http://www.health.harvard.edu/press_...promote-health

    "Our bodies are remarkable systems that filter out toxins on an ongoing basis. The organs responsible for detoxification are the liver, lungs, kidneys, and skin. When nutrients and other substances first enter the body the first place they go is the liver, which filters out and eliminates harmful toxins such as drugs and alcohol. Additionally, the kidneys filter out wastes by creating urine for excretion. The skin allows us to sweat out toxins, and the lungs allow us to filter the air that we breathe.

    Since our bodies are primarily water—around 70%—it makes sense that staying hydrated through drinking adequate amounts of water also helps us stay healthy. However, to date there is no scientific evidence to support the idea that water flushes out toxins."

    http://www.bidmc.org/YourHealth/Holi...ChunkID=100544

    And that was with a 2 second google search. At the very least I'd say the "need" is quite debatable. Some of the detox diets seem much harder on the system than clean eating would be! You could be right, but I think either side assuming 100% victory here is a bit disingenuous.
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  2. While I concur with some of this, I am also a bit paranoid with respect to all the crap we bodybuilders ingest often replacing healthy foods with too much protein and taking all sorts of MISC herbs/supps that MAY contain toxic heavy metals and garbage etc.

    Additionally, the stresses of life alone ramp up toxic processes in the body. Then there's the fact wer live in a filthy world full of pollution, and eat food devoid of nutrition (the soil is depleted, animals are mass-produced and using hortmones, fruits and veggies are sprayed with nasty chemicals, etc) amongst many other variables.

    So, I can appreciate some of the others' sentiment in this thread as a result. I do think that programs that detox are overkill.

    Quote Originally Posted by chimeranD View Post
    Did the kidneys and liver stop doing the job that they were designed to do? Your body detoxes itself, probiotics and antioxidants are great but you don't need specific detox products, they're a scam.
    Quote Originally Posted by chimeranD View Post
    What toxins? What diets did our body evolve on? Greens, grains, meats, fruits, poultry, fish, etc. How about this, the liver is capable protecting the body from harsh compounds and alcohol, but isn't able to do it's job with diet and exercise? How about the kidneys? Detox's are a scam, the idea behind them is that your body isn't capable of doing it's job without help. Sure, if you have an illness that keeps your organs from doing their job then you may need help, but from a doctor not from a detox product.
    I'm with Geo in that many of this is science-less and riddled with people economizing off the desperate and uneducated.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    Probably the most ignorant post I've read in a good while. The amount of toxins in our environment is much higher and you can see this with the skyrocketing disease rates. Autism all time high, cancer runs rampant. Just because the body is resilient doesn't mean we shouldn't try to make it healthier and more efficient.
    Who's to say it's not diet, or lifestyle, or many genetic factors and people being in such high proximity to each other causing it? The fact is, we don't know what causes these in such high amounts, and detoxing may not do anything besides hurt your body worse. I'm still going to firmly believe in a good diet rich in fruits and vegetables along with whatever else I need. Been doing that for some time and never felt better, why bother going on a specific diet that isn't going to do anything that my diet isn't already?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    While I concur with some of this, I am also a bit paranoid with respect to all the crap we bodybuilders ingest often replacing healthy foods with too much protein and taking all sorts of MISC herbs/supps that MAY contain toxic heavy metals and garbage etc.
    This too.

  4. Well, it's settled then. Someone Googled something. lol

  5. Pragmatic, sensible and fair post IMO

    Everyone here has voice a logical perspective.

    At the end of the day, for every article proposing a benefit of said eating style, you'll have an opposing view also "backed by science" LOL

    Can't win.

    Quote Originally Posted by chimeranD View Post
    Did the kidneys and liver stop doing the job that they were designed to do? Your body detoxes itself, probiotics and antioxidants are great but you don't need specific detox products, they're a scam.
    Quote Originally Posted by chimeranD View Post
    Who's to say it's not diet, or lifestyle, or many genetic factors and people being in such high proximity to each other causing it? The fact is, we don't know what causes these in such high amounts, and detoxing may not do anything besides hurt your body worse. I'm still going to firmly believe in a good diet rich in fruits and vegetables along with whatever else I need. Been doing that for some time and never felt better, why bother going on a specific diet that isn't going to do anything that my diet isn't already?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    Probably the most ignorant post I've read in a good while. The amount of toxins in our environment is much higher and you can see this with the skyrocketing disease rates. Autism all time high, cancer runs rampant. Just because the body is resilient doesn't mean we shouldn't try to make it healthier and more efficient.
    Thank you...was beginning to think I was the only one who knew this around here lol

    I'm not into "DETOX" products per se...but alkalizing vegetables, clean water sources, etc. etc. are the detox I refer to. For those who think that there aren't a ridiculous amount of toxins being exposed to our systems compared to 50 or 100, or 1000 years ago...you should keep reading.

    Quote Originally Posted by bioman View Post
    Well, it's settled then. Someone Googled something. lol
    LOL...I'd rep you again if I could. I should back down I guess, no way I can compete with such depths of knowledge

  7. By the way, back to the original question of "latest trends".

    I have been reading a lot these last few years about alkaline states (buffering acidic states to thwart disease and cancer).
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by bioman View Post
    Well, it's settled then. Someone Googled something. lol
    Clearly this doesn't refute anything. On the contrary I was saying it's far from settled. I don't think anyone yet has given a good reason for why we need to detox, and more importantly what detox diet to follow and why to follow this specific diet. I came into this thread thinking "never really been pointed to a good reason why I need to do this" and I haven't changed my mind yet. I'm more than willing to once someone can say something a bit more convincing than "the toxins bro!"
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  9. Do you make a habit of waiting around for others to educate you and change your mind?

    I've been always been a fan of educating myself, taking others opinions/knowledge into account, and forming a stance based on that. I think you need to be more proactive, I dont have the time to help you out much...but there's a wealth of knowledge just a few clicks away my friend.

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    Clearly this doesn't refute anything. On the contrary I was saying it's far from settled. I don't think anyone yet has given a good reason for why we need to detox, and more importantly what detox diet to follow and why to follow this specific diet. I came into this thread thinking "never really been pointed to a good reason why I need to do this" and I haven't changed my mind yet. I'm more than willing to once someone can say something a bit more convincing than "the toxins bro!"

  10. Quote Originally Posted by DaveGabe24 View Post
    Do you make a habit of waiting around for others to educate you and change your mind?

    I've been always been a fan of educating myself, taking others opinions/knowledge into account, and forming a stance based on that. I think you need to be more proactive, I dont have the time to help you out much...but there's a wealth of knowledge just a few clicks away my friend.
    I make a habit of taking an open mind into any discussion. I've changed my mind often throughout the iron game on many former truths: I need meals every few hours, need casein protein before bed, need lots of carbs post-workout, etc. Honestly if something doesn't interest me I don't educate myself on it that much. I have no desire to be a detox expert and from the looks of this thread so far few people in it are either. What I've read about detox stuff so far I haven't been convinced. Most of the testimony seems to come from supplement sellers that I've seen.

    I educate myself largely by looking for studies on things. Anecdotal evidence is ok for some things, but for a detox diet probably not so much IMO. As best as I've seen so far few studies exist. I'm not waiting on someone to change my mind, if no one does then no one does and I'll feel the exact same way I always did about them. The stuff I mentioned earlier people on forums or through my own reading changed my mind. I'm not going to search for a ton of reasons why detox diets are necessary and so far I can't find studies that say they do. If someone drops a knowledge bomb on me I'll research what they said and see if it has validity. But right now I'm limited to "you know how many toxins are out there!"

    FWIW I think a huge difference exists between what you talk about in terms of clean water and alkalizing vegetables and the lay persons supplement based detox diet wonder. Many of the "master cleanse, super flush, etc" seem to be carrying some pretty significant side effects and I don't think it's wrong to wonder if people are doing more harm than good. Again, from what I've read I've yet to see scientific evidence that our bodies are loaded with toxins we can't purge on our own and that we need to take drastic steps or else we're screwed. I can't educate myself into finding scientific studies that say this yet
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    I make a habit of taking an open mind into any discussion. I've changed my mind often throughout the iron game on many former truths: I need meals every few hours, need casein protein before bed, need lots of carbs post-workout, etc. Honestly if something doesn't interest me I don't educate myself on it that much. I have no desire to be a detox expert and from the looks of this thread so far few people in it are either. What I've read about detox stuff so far I haven't been convinced. Most of the testimony seems to come from supplement sellers that I've seen.

    I educate myself largely by looking for studies on things. Anecdotal evidence is ok for some things, but for a detox diet probably not so much IMO. As best as I've seen so far few studies exist. I'm not waiting on someone to change my mind, if no one does then no one does and I'll feel the exact same way I always did about them. The stuff I mentioned earlier people on forums or through my own reading changed my mind. I'm not going to search for a ton of reasons why detox diets are necessary and so far I can't find studies that say they do. If someone drops a knowledge bomb on me I'll research what they said and see if it has validity. But right now I'm limited to "you know how many toxins are out there!"

    FWIW I think a huge difference exists between what you talk about in terms of clean water and alkalizing vegetables and the lay persons supplement based detox diet wonder. Many of the "master cleanse, super flush, etc" seem to be carrying some pretty significant side effects and I don't think it's wrong to wonder if people are doing more harm than good. Again, from what I've read I've yet to see scientific evidence that our bodies are loaded with toxins we can't purge on our own and that we need to take drastic steps or else we're screwed. I can't educate myself into finding scientific studies that say this yet
    Just as I suspected.....



    We are on the exact same page after all. lol I should have clarified from the start that these mainstream detoxes SUCK, but a healthy, natural, cleansing/detox may be of use to many of us. Just due to the changes in our diets, micro/macro environments justifies this alone in my opinion. From the acidity in water, to carbonation and processed food we are really ramping up the potential for inflammation and acidosis to occur internally. Not to say the body cannot handle this properly over time, but it definitely leads to an increase in chronic diseases which has become overwhelmingly apparent over the last few decades.

    So while I agree with you that there may not be very much concrete evidence on the bodies inability to properly maintain pH in the midst of the increased exposure to toxins, I do feel the chronic disease increase alone should raise some sort of red flag. You're stance on open mindedness is very similar to my own, so reps for that. Didnt mean to come off like a know-it all before, but I've almost started to anticipate people's ignorance towards the amount of absolute garbage we put into our systems on a daily basis.

  12. Going back to what I said earlier. Drink water. Lot's of water. Only water. For an extended period of time. All of this=successful fast. Keep it simple op. Those new trend things are a waste of cash.
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  13. alot of great replies, i was mainly reffering to basic protocols not so much "detoxing", wrong choice of words, i actually have been doing a ton of water along with my multi and greens, i dropped whey powder and added more whole food....
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by DaveGabe24 View Post
    Just as I suspected.....



    We are on the exact same page after all. lol I should have clarified from the start that these mainstream detoxes SUCK, but a healthy, natural, cleansing/detox may be of use to many of us. Just due to the changes in our diets, micro/macro environments justifies this alone in my opinion. From the acidity in water, to carbonation and processed food we are really ramping up the potential for inflammation and acidosis to occur internally. Not to say the body cannot handle this properly over time, but it definitely leads to an increase in chronic diseases which has become overwhelmingly apparent over the last few decades.

    So while I agree with you that there may not be very much concrete evidence on the bodies inability to properly maintain pH in the midst of the increased exposure to toxins, I do feel the chronic disease increase alone should raise some sort of red flag. You're stance on open mindedness is very similar to my own, so reps for that. Didnt mean to come off like a know-it all before, but I've almost started to anticipate people's ignorance towards the amount of absolute garbage we put into our systems on a daily basis.
    I didn't think you were coming off like a know it all by any means, I was just trying to explain my thought process a bit better. ]

    Most of what we "know" is probably going to end up being wrong anyways. The truths of old eras are now falsehoods in many lines of thinking from basic science to economics to politics etc. Most of what our elders "knew" ended up being false and it's stupid to assume we won't end up being false on a lot of things as well. I already mentioned all the old "truths" I'd accepted that ended up being wrong anyways.

    Knowing this it's next to pointless to ever assume we are 100% correct in any type of scientific debate or as muscleheads with anything as complicated as our bodies. I think the worst thing anyone could ever do is assume they have tons of correct answers when it comes to supplements, exercise, or something like detox. We have to keep in mind our elders had all the answers as well
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  15. Good question. Wondering about the same thing. I will be going vegan for a week or two. There's also the green pepper and water detox. Detox pruduct suck.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by murk01 View Post
    Good question. Wondering about the same thing. I will be going vegan for a week or two. There's also the green pepper and water detox. Detox pruduct suck.
    i added lemon to my water and cayenne
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  17. Just like much of this industry, the "detox" idea is based on something that seems to make logical sense when it is explained, but doesn't actually hold up against scientific scrutiny. Almost all detox protocols just involve sweating and ****ting. Unless you're constipated or are about to get a colonoscopy, don't bother.

    Live "healthy"? Go for it, even though the health industry is filled with scare tactics like everything else. Living a "healthy" lifestyle does not necessarily mean cutting out things that are not actually dangerous like artificial sweeteners, GMOs, whatever other BS someone told you causes cancer. Eat a diet with good macronutrient composition, eat real foods when possible, exercise, love your family, get a hobby, quit drinking, and you will be living a healthy lifestyle.


    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    Probably the most ignorant post I've read in a good while. The amount of toxins in our environment is much higher and you can see this with the skyrocketing disease rates. Autism all time high, cancer runs rampant. Just because the body is resilient doesn't mean we shouldn't try to make it healthier and more efficient.
    This is a terrible argument for "detoxing." Autism is at an "all time high" because we are just beginning to understand it and diagnose it -- we don't simply call autistic children "retards" and forget about the rest. To think autism is caused by environmental factors is crazy. Cancer's a fun one, too. Sure, smoking cigarettes causes lung cancer as do a very select few lifestyle activities. Excepting a few things like tobacco use that have more than just a loose correlation with cancer (ie. eating red meat doesn't cause cancer just because people that enjoy red meat get cancer more often), the increase in cancer diagnoses is again improved diagnostic techniques and understanding. There was a time when people simply died...nowadays we actually can figure out why. Perhaps even more importantly, we now have the ability to keep people from dying every time they get the flu, etc. making it more likely that they make it to the time in life when cancer can get them.

    Again...go ahead and live a healthy lifestyle, hedge your bets. Don't waste your time and money on bull****, though.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    I didn't think you were coming off like a know it all by any means, I was just trying to explain my thought process a bit better. ]

    Most of what we "know" is probably going to end up being wrong anyways. The truths of old eras are now falsehoods in many lines of thinking from basic science to economics to politics etc. Most of what our elders "knew" ended up being false and it's stupid to assume we won't end up being false on a lot of things as well. I already mentioned all the old "truths" I'd accepted that ended up being wrong anyways.

    Knowing this it's next to pointless to ever assume we are 100% correct in any type of scientific debate or as muscleheads with anything as complicated as our bodies. I think the worst thing anyone could ever do is assume they have tons of correct answers when it comes to supplements, exercise, or something like detox. We have to keep in mind our elders had all the answers as well

    So true. One of my favorite classes in undergrad was philosophy of science, we read books by Kuhn and learned how science inevitably leads to anomalies while evolving within the confines of its own paradigms. So to ever think we possess infallible knowledge is simply ignorant, agreed. It was often my professors that would admit they did not know something, that seemed to impress me the most, along with those that were willing to be corrected or hear a student out with a different perspective.

    However, I do believe many of the laws, principles, basic findings of today's age will be much less proven wrong, but perhaps built upon. Call it wishful thinking

  19. Quote Originally Posted by DaveGabe24 View Post
    So true. One of my favorite classes in undergrad was philosophy of science, we read books by Kuhn and learned how science inevitably leads to anomalies while evolving within the confines of its own paradigms. So to ever think we possess infallible knowledge is simply ignorant, agreed. It was often my professors that would admit they did not know something, that seemed to impress me the most, along with those that were willing to be corrected or hear a student out with a different perspective.

    However, I do believe many of the laws, principles, basic findings of today's age will be much less proven wrong, but perhaps built upon. Call it wishful thinking
    To your last point I agree. As we continue to build upon our knowledge base in theory we should be getting less wrong. Also agree on the professors, in this day and age everyone thinks they are an expert on everything. Often I'm most impresseople say "we just don't know or we just can't be certain."
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    Clearly this doesn't refute anything. On the contrary I was saying it's far from settled. I don't think anyone yet has given a good reason for why we need to detox, and more importantly what detox diet to follow and why to follow this specific diet. I came into this thread thinking "never really been pointed to a good reason why I need to do this" and I haven't changed my mind yet. I'm more than willing to once someone can say something a bit more convincing than "the toxins bro!"

    That was snarky of me, I apologize. I agree with a lot of the statements made about a "healthy lifestyle" per se as a way to avoid toxins. I'm not sold on the need for detoxing per se, just that I've been through a couple of them and it is disturbing that there is enough crud in my body to make me completely ill even just attempting to get rid of them.

    IMO, unless you have a chronic issue that lifestyle adjustments don't fix, then don't detox...unless you're the adventurous type

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce

    I'm not going to attempt to refute the "amount of toxins higher" but where is the proof that any of these diets make you healthier? We don't have any medical studies that I know of that prove detox diets work or are even necessary. Sky rocketing disease rates? We LIVE longer than at any other time in history. Of course some of these rates are higher, we aren't dying at age 40 anymore. And I'd love to see a study where detox diets have anything to do with autism.

    http://www.health.harvard.edu/press_...promote-health

    "Our bodies are remarkable systems that filter out toxins on an ongoing basis. The organs responsible for detoxification are the liver, lungs, kidneys, and skin. When nutrients and other substances first enter the body the first place they go is the liver, which filters out and eliminates harmful toxins such as drugs and alcohol. Additionally, the kidneys filter out wastes by creating urine for excretion. The skin allows us to sweat out toxins, and the lungs allow us to filter the air that we breathe.

    Since our bodies are primarily water--around 70%--it makes sense that staying hydrated through drinking adequate amounts of water also helps us stay healthy. However, to date there is no scientific evidence to support the idea that water flushes out toxins."

    http://www.bidmc.org/YourHealth/Holi...ChunkID=100544

    And that was with a 2 second google search. At the very least I'd say the "need" is quite debatable. Some of the detox diets seem much harder on the system than clean eating would be! You could be right, but I think either side assuming 100% victory here is a bit disingenuous.
    The posters arguments were not with trendy detox diets. He said in general detox was stupid. There are several ways to help ur body detox such as staying hydrated having a good diet and utlizing saunas etc. I'm opposed to these trendy things as well but a lot of detox science coming out has a ton of merit. Little things we can do everyday makes a big difference. Using all organic products and staying away from typical household chemicals, detergents, cosmetics etc.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    The posters arguments were not with trendy detox diets. He said in general detox was stupid. There are several ways to help ur body detox such as staying hydrated having a good diet and utlizing saunas etc. I'm opposed to these trendy things as well but a lot of detox science coming out has a ton of merit. Little things we can do everyday makes a big difference. Using all organic products and staying away from typical household chemicals, detergents, cosmetics etc.
    Well it certainly evolved as such. The problem is everyone is arguing completely different things, especially if their original point got called out. I could not agree more with avoiding chemicals, detergents, etc...and many of the "detox" ideas espoused here so far are ones I'm already on board with!
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by chimeranD View Post
    Who's to say it's not diet, or lifestyle, or many genetic factors and people being in such high proximity to each other causing it? The fact is, we don't know what causes these in such high amounts, and detoxing may not do anything besides hurt your body worse. I'm still going to firmly believe in a good diet rich in fruits and vegetables along with whatever else I need. Been doing that for some time and never felt better, why bother going on a specific diet that isn't going to do anything that my diet isn't already?

    This too.



    lol the fruits and vegetables you eat have artificial hormones and are not natural like they use to be, have been sprayed with chemicals and other shiz...so as much as you try to be healthy you can't unless you have your own garden..lol

  24. A bit off topic, but for those that follow Layne Norton on facebook...he had a few posts the other day about organic being completely worthless compared to inorganic...

    Thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    The posters arguments were not with trendy detox diets. He said in general detox was stupid. There are several ways to help ur body detox such as staying hydrated having a good diet and utlizing saunas etc. I'm opposed to these trendy things as well but a lot of detox science coming out has a ton of merit. Little things we can do everyday makes a big difference. Using all organic products and staying away from typical household chemicals, detergents, cosmetics etc.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by DaveGabe24
    A bit off topic, but for those that follow Layne Norton on facebook...he had a few posts the other day about organic being completely worthless compared to inorganic...

    Thoughts?
    I think that's BS. Deffinite benifit with organic. U can't measure/scale quality of life.
    That's like saying posion is the same as no posion.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by murk01 View Post
    I think that's BS. Deffinite benifit with organic. U can't measure/scale quality of life.
    That's like saying posion is the same as no posion.
    I was on the fence about it myself, as he raised some valid points and I try to avoid simplifying complex situations like you have here.

    When I get home I'll post some of the literature he offered for people to look over before they started shouting out what they "believe."

  27. Hormones in my fruits, eh? lol

    I hope we all realize that synthetic pesticides are now safer than natural pesticides...and even better, they keep pests out of your food. If we switched all world farming to organic methods...we'd be short on food to the tune of about half of the population. There's a reason that people eating these foods aren't just randomly dropping dead. There is even some evidence that organic foods are LESS nutrient dense than non-organically farmed foods.

    The BS about hormones in our meats is overblown as well. Yes, some livestock is "juiced" up. How this means eating their muscle is bad is beyond me. Even if there were trace amounts of hormones in the meat, I strongly doubt they would survive the preserving/cooking process and I doubt even more strongly that they'd be orally bioavailable. There's a reason Pat Arnold worked at ErgoPharm and not a steakhouse.

  28. For example look at bpa's
    Raise estrogen levels. Kill testosterone and cuases cancer.
    Most supermarkets buy fruits Covered in it because it gives it a shine. Like a wax coating.

  29. That's y my boys drink out of glass. Bottles.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by kojack View Post
    lol the fruits and vegetables you eat have artificial hormones and are not natural like they use to be, have been sprayed with chemicals and other shiz...so as much as you try to be healthy you can't unless you have your own garden..lol
    Lol so since I say I eat a lot of fruits and veggies that means I got them all from a supermarket? I do live in the country with dozens of local farms as well as farmers markets weekly, so think before you talk kiddo.
    Quote Originally Posted by D3Baseball View Post
    The BS about hormones in our meats is overblown as well. Yes, some livestock is "juiced" up. How this means eating their muscle is bad is beyond me. Even if there were trace amounts of hormones in the meat, I strongly doubt they would survive the preserving/cooking process and I doubt even more strongly that they'd be orally bioavailable. There's a reason Pat Arnold worked at ErgoPharm and not a steakhouse.
    I will say that locally farmed beef I get is MUCH more flavorful than something purchased at the supermarket, as well as cheaper and I can buy it in bulk and pack a freezer or two
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