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    Hi. Im looking for the best concentrated PWO's. Juggernaut, Bullnox, Assault, NoE, Superpump, all they do is assault my *******.

    The Concentrated ones dont give me the GI symptoms, and I have tried:
    C4
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    Im wondering if theres something that I am missing, a diamond in the rough. If its got a big scoop to it, wont work out for me, the dehydration from the GI symptoms destroys my workouts. Thanks in advance.

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    and theres some awesome deals on it right now, as the last of the stock with 1,3 is being sold.........a new updated MI will be available within a month or so, removed the 1,3 and replaced with acacia rigidula
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    Quote Originally Posted by MedicMikey
    Hi. Im looking for the best concentrated PWO's. Juggernaut, Bullnox, Assault, NoE, Superpump, all they do is assault my *******.

    The Concentrated ones dont give me the GI symptoms, and I have tried:
    C4
    Craze
    Juggernaut HD
    Jack3d
    Beast Mode

    Im wondering if theres something that I am missing, a diamond in the rough. If its got a big scoop to it, wont work out for me, the dehydration from the GI symptoms destroys my workouts. Thanks in advance.
    Hmm you named the ones I'm familiar with. I like C4 because it has enough caffeine to give me energy after work but not enough to f**k my sleep! How did you like beast mode?
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    I'm loving C4. But what your looking for is Maximize Intense, the stuff is so freaking strong and you will never need over 1.5 scoops, if that, I can't take more than 1 scoop and I can take 3 scoops of Jack3d with no problem.
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    I haven't experienced any GI issues with our NeuroSurge and i'm pretty sensitive to most things DAA kills my stomach among other things.
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    damn it JOSH you're too fast,

    definitely need to check out Maximize Intense. you will never regret your decision
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    Try supersize I got a 45 serving tub for 10.00 bucks . It's lite on the stim side but effective for the price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgementDay View Post
    I'm loving C4. But what your looking for is Maximize Intense, the stuff is so freaking strong and you will never need over 1.5 scoops, if that, I can't take more than 1 scoop and I can take 3 scoops of Jack3d with no problem.
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    Doesn't get much more concentrated than:

    200mg caffeine pill
    1 cap SNS Adrena-G
    2 scoops SNS Citrulline Malate

    Cheap, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69
    Doesn't get much more concentrated than:

    200mg caffeine pill
    1 cap SNS Adrena-G
    2 scoops SNS Citrulline Malate

    Cheap, too.
    You don't like beta-alanine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Doesn't get much more concentrated than:

    200mg caffeine pill
    1 cap SNS Adrena-G
    2 scoops SNS Citrulline Malate

    Cheap, too.
    What about agmatine ?

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    definitely missing agmatine and beta alanine in there Coop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim2542 View Post
    You don't like beta-alanine?
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    What about agmatine ?
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    definitely missing agmatine and beta alanine in there Coop.
    Beta-alanine is not a preworkout ingredient (no acute benefit) and takes months to manifest its effects at daily doses.

    Agmatine is best used first thing in the morning, not preworkout, and also derives much of its merit from consistent daily doses.
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    A caffeine free pre workout might work (or, stim free.)

    White BLOOD is stim free (as oppose to White FLOOD...)
    There's also a stim-free Ragnarok which I quite enjoy.

    You can try making your dose smaller, or dosing with a small amount of carbs.

    There's also compounds that give you energy but which don't have stimulants. Beta Alanine is one of them
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    Beta-alanine is not a preworkout ingredient (no acute benefit) and takes months to manifest its effects at daily doses.

    Agmatine is best used first thing in the morning, not preworkout, and also derives much of its merit from consistent daily doses.
    Any chance you have studies for the beta-alanine statement? Its not that I don't believe you I'm just trying to update my supp cliffs and can't find any full studies only abstracts and if anyone on here would have them it would be you!
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    There is always Friction. Full dose of creatine + BA in a full scoop.
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    I don't know maybe it's a placebo effect but every time I take something with ba prework I get extra endurance.

    Same with creatine, everybody says it doesn't matter when you take it, which I'm not disagreeing with, but I feel stronger when I take my dosage preworkout. And I've tried it both ways to see.... but that's just my experience
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    Quote Originally Posted by jewgold
    I don't know maybe it's a placebo effect but every time I take something with ba prework I get extra endurance.

    Same with creatine, everybody says it doesn't matter when you take it, which I'm not disagreeing with, but I feel stronger when I take my dosage preworkout. And I've tried it both ways to see.... but that's just my experience
    I don't know that BA does anything acute but its just something I like taking before my workout. Cannot attribute any extra endurance to it, I just like it at that time of day!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim2542 View Post
    Any chance you have studies for the beta-alanine statement? Its not that I don't believe you I'm just trying to update my supp cliffs and can't find any full studies only abstracts and if anyone on here would have them it would be you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jewgold View Post
    I don't know maybe it's a placebo effect but every time I take something with ba prework I get extra endurance.

    Same with creatine, everybody says it doesn't matter when you take it, which I'm not disagreeing with, but I feel stronger when I take my dosage preworkout. And I've tried it both ways to see.... but that's just my experience
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69
    So basically after 6-8 weeks stopping supplementation is wise to rebalance out at 100% then start it up again after its "cleared" ?
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    To address the OPs question I find videos that get me in the zone along with some stim if I'm dragging goes a longways in getting me a good workout. I have commented many times before on this but.... I usually do the best after taking something that tastes good. That's probably why I loved hemavol so much... I don't train in "put
    Mp" ranges, or had much of a noticeable pump on it but my god the watermelon one tasted soooo good... I still have dreams that I still have some... Wake up check and yup... It's all gone ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    So basically after 6-8 weeks stopping supplementation is wise to rebalance out at 100% then start it up again after its "cleared" ?
    No, and that may not even be peak carnosine, it was merely when the researchers chose to discontinue BA supplementation (to measure the washout period, which as you can see, is long). I supplement BA for 4-5 months at a time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    No, and that may not even be peak carnosine, it was merely when the researchers chose to discontinue BA supplementation (to measure the washout period, which as you can see, is long). I supplement BA for 4-5 months at a time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baldwanus View Post
    Maximize Intense

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    and theres some awesome deals on it right now, as the last of the stock with 1,3 is being sold.........a new updated MI will be available within a month or so, removed the 1,3 and replaced with acacia rigidula
    Have you tried the new one yet? If so how does it compare to the old/new one?

    I guess it is to have PEA take over for 1,3?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob112 View Post
    Have you tried the new one yet? If so how does it compare to the old/new one?

    I guess it is to have PEA take over for 1,3?

    Doubtful considering PEA is...PEA
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob112 View Post
    Have you tried the new one yet? If so how does it compare to the old/new one?

    I guess it is to have PEA take over for 1,3?
    i have not tried the new formula as a finished product..........but ive taken the stim blend in a hand-packed capsule from vaughn a while back.....good stuff.


    and no, acacia rigidula will be replacing the 1,3 in MI, same replacement used in the new dexaprine
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Doubtful considering PEA is...PEA
    I thought that acacia rigidula was a PEA source. My bad! lol

    EDIT: N-Methylphenylethelamin? Isn't that a PEA form from acacia rigidula?

    Quote Originally Posted by baldwanus View Post
    i have not tried the new formula as a finished product..........but ive taken the stim blend in a hand-packed capsule from vaughn a while back.....good stuff.


    and no, acacia rigidula will be replacing the 1,3 in MI, same replacement used in the new dexaprine
    Man I am way off...I thought it was N-Methyltyramine. I think I have my herbs/extracts messed up at this hour lol.

    Either way, look forward to it as I still haven't finished my other tub since I never had to go over a scoop. Was my short lived favorite 1,3 pre workout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    Doubtful considering PEA is...PEA
    Isn't pea like a nootropic? While 1,3 is pure stim. I guess it could enhance focus like 1,3 does. But I never tried pea. 1,3 though I have taken boat loads. Lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob112 View Post
    Either way, look forward to it as I still haven't finished my other tub since I never had to go over a scoop. Was my short lived favorite 1,3 pre workout.
    mmhmm, i usually wouldnt go over 3/4 scoop

    from what i understand from people at hq, new version is just as strong/stronger.....so i have a feeling you'll still be able to 1/2 scoop the new one and get 90 servings out of a tub
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    Just wanted to say thanks to all the replies. I realized after I posted that I didnt even spell "Concentrated" right. Embarrassing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    Isn't pea like a nootropic? While 1,3 is pure stim. I guess it could enhance focus like 1,3 does. But I never tried pea. 1,3 though I have taken boat loads. Lol.
    PEA is a sympathomimetic, but even if we used an irreversible MAOI with it, I don't feel that the effects preworkout would necessarily be favorable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
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    Everybody hear had great suggestions. Myself I tried a handful of PREs and sometimes I switch it up from time to time. Either way, look in Muscle Marinade if you want a strong complete formula.
    MM is very strong - although it's the first pre - workout that got me angry it's very good for pure energy and endurance .
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    Hemo rage black used to make me an animal in the gym. Unfortunately after three months I don't even notice a double dose. It is the only PW that I could feel ever... Muscle pharm assault is next for me to try... Anyone ever use it?
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