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    I just started taking EC (bronkaid three times per day). I was thinking about adding an adrenal support formula (with adrenal tissue). I know a lot of people wait and take this when they finish a cycle of EC, but is there any benefit to taking it with EC, such as preventing adrenal fatigue, controlling cortisol, etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jxn View Post
    I just started taking EC (bronkaid three times per day). I was thinking about adding an adrenal support formula (with adrenal tissue). I know a lot of people wait and take this when they finish a cycle of EC, but is there any benefit to taking it with EC, such as preventing adrenal fatigue, controlling cortisol, etc?
    There wouldn't be a benefit in such a formula, period. The adrenal gland is not the issue when it comes to stimulant usage and tolerance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jxn View Post
    I just started taking EC (bronkaid three times per day). I was thinking about adding an adrenal support formula (with adrenal tissue). I know a lot of people wait and take this when they finish a cycle of EC, but is there any benefit to taking it with EC, such as preventing adrenal fatigue, controlling cortisol, etc?
    Don't worry about adrenal fatigue.After your run with EC just stay off caffeine for a while you should be good.I suggest taking erase pro if your looking to stack for cort controll.Also has a natural test booster and an AI wraped up in one neat package.

    Also check out my guide on keto and it's use with EC/clen here:Guide:New outlook on keto!(dosage for clen/keto inside) you can extend your cycle of EC using keto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    There wouldn't be a benefit in such a formula, period. The adrenal gland is not the issue when it comes to stimulant usage and tolerance.
    mr.cooper what are your thoughts on "adrenal fatigue" in relation to over use of stimulants effecting the adrenals' function in releasing adrenaline, noradrenaline, etc.? I know stim tolerance doesn't have anything to do with adrenals. But can over working the adrenals with stim use cause problems with the adrenals?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza

    mr.cooper what are your thoughts on "adrenal fatigue" in relation to over use of stimulants effecting the adrenals' function in releasing adrenaline, noradrenaline, etc.? I know stim tolerance doesn't have anything to do with adrenals. But can over working the adrenals with stim use cause problems with the adrenals?
    I'm curious as to what Cooper has to say about this as well. I had always believed that adrenal fatigue was related to stim tolerance, sounds like I was incorrect. Eager to see what the genius himself has to say!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza View Post
    mr.cooper what are your thoughts on "adrenal fatigue" in relation to over use of stimulants effecting the adrenals' function in releasing adrenaline, noradrenaline, etc.? I know stim tolerance doesn't have anything to do with adrenals. But can over working the adrenals with stim use cause problems with the adrenals?
    Quote Originally Posted by Natestreo View Post
    I'm curious as to what Cooper has to say about this as well. I had always believed that adrenal fatigue was related to stim tolerance, sounds like I was incorrect. Eager to see what the genius himself has to say!
    I may be at odds with many people here, but there is no evidence that the symptoms reported from stimulant abuse are related to the function of the adrenal glands. I've been involved in the medical community these past few years and was an intern for an endo and a shadow for 3 months full-time at an internal med hospital, and both sources (one of which was abroad so I have an international opinion on this as well) agreed that adrenal fatigue as defined by the overall populace is not a true medical condition. The symptoms are indeed real, but the cause is not adrenal dysfunction. I've also done my own research on the matter and come to the same conclusion. In short, it appears the symptoms are being mismatched with the cause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    I may be at odds with many people here, but there is no evidence that the symptoms reported from stimulant abuse are related to the function of the adrenal glands. I've been involved in the medical community these past few years and was an intern for an endo and a shadow for 3 months full-time at an internal med hospital, and both sources (one of which was abroad so I have an international opinion on this as well) agreed that adrenal fatigue as defined by the overall populace is not a true medical condition. The symptoms are indeed real, but the cause is not adrenal dysfunction. I've also done my own research on the matter and come to the same conclusion. The symptoms are being mismatched with the cause.
    What would be the cause of tolerance to stimulants if it isn't adrenal fatigue? I'm gonna do some research on this tonight, seems like it would be interesting to read about. Do you have anywhere in particular you might point someone who would be interested in learning about this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natestreo View Post
    What would be the cause of tolerance to stimulants if it isn't adrenal fatigue? I'm gonna do some research on this tonight, seems like it would be interesting to read about. Do you have anywhere in particular you might point someone who would be interested in learning about this?

    Thanks Coop, you do man!
    The issue lies with the adrenergic receptors (including adenosine in the case of the infamous caffeine).

    There are actually quite a few studies out there as of late, but for the layman these should suffice:

    http://www.hormone.org/Public/upload...atigue-Web.pdf
    http://www.endo-society.org/media/pr...al-Fatigue.cfm

    I don't think we know the full details, but as of this moment, there is no evidence supporting adrenal fatigue in the sense that many people use the term. Keep in mind that adrenal insufficiency does indeed exist, but there is no reason to believe you will suffer from it through stimulant use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    The issue lies with the adrenergic receptors (including adenosine in the case of the infamous caffeine).

    There are actually quite a few studies out there as of late, but for the layman these should suffice:

    http://www.hormone.org/Public/upload...atigue-Web.pdf
    http://www.endo-society.org/media/pr...al-Fatigue.cfm
    Thanks a bunch. I'll give these a read!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    The issue lies with the adrenergic receptors (including adenosine in the case of the infamous caffeine).

    There are actually quite a few studies out there as of late, but for the layman these should suffice:

    http://www.hormone.org/Public/upload...atigue-Web.pdf
    http://www.endo-society.org/media/pr...al-Fatigue.cfm

    I don't think we know the full details, but as of this moment, there is no evidence supporting adrenal fatigue in the sense that many people use the term. Keep in mind that adrenal insufficiency does indeed exist, but there is no reason to believe you will suffer from it through stimulant use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    The issue lies with the adrenergic receptors (including adenosine in the case of the infamous caffeine).

    There are actually quite a few studies out there as of late, but for the layman these should suffice:

    http://www.hormone.org/Public/upload...atigue-Web.pdf
    http://www.endo-society.org/media/pr...al-Fatigue.cfm

    I don't think we know the full details, but as of this moment, there is no evidence supporting adrenal fatigue in the sense that many people use the term. Keep in mind that adrenal insufficiency does indeed exist, but there is no reason to believe you will suffer from it through stimulant use.
    Very good information presented there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    The issue lies with the adrenergic receptors (including adenosine in the case of the infamous caffeine).

    There are actually quite a few studies out there as of late, but for the layman these should suffice:

    http://www.hormone.org/Public/upload...atigue-Web.pdf
    http://www.endo-society.org/media/pr...al-Fatigue.cfm

    I don't think we know the full details, but as of this moment, there is no evidence supporting adrenal fatigue in the sense that many people use the term. Keep in mind that adrenal insufficiency does indeed exist, but there is no reason to believe you will suffer from it through stimulant use.
    From what I have read it does seem like caffeine tolerance has everything to do with the upregulation of adenosine receptors in the brain; stim break headaches being the product of sensitivity to adenosine, and finally headaches stoping after receptor downregulation.

    What I wonder is what is behind a tolerance to 1,3, being that I have read on Higher Tower Pharmacology that 1,3 "will not produce metabolites which interfere with adrenergic signaling," or is the tolerance just to the caffeine part of pre-workouts?

    Edit: come to think of it I don't know much about tolerance(s) of other stimulants in general. Add it to my list of things to research.
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    adrenal fatigue is BS
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob112 View Post
    From what I have read it does seem like caffeine tolerance has everything to do with the upregulation of adenosine receptors in the brain; stim break headaches being the product of sensitivity to adenosine, and finally headaches stoping after receptor downregulation.

    What I wonder is what is behind a tolerance to 1,3, being that I have read on Higher Tower Pharmacology that 1,3 "will not produce metabolites which interfere with adrenergic signaling," or is the tolerance just to the caffeine part of pre-workouts?

    Edit: come to think of it I don't know much about tolerance(s) of other stimulants in general. Add it to my list of things to research.
    Think of 1,3D as NE and the receptors being the alpha adrenergic receptors and b1 receptor:
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    Think of 1,3D as NE and the receptors being the alpha adrenergic receptors and b1 receptor:
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...6317713&page=1
    Ahhh, right there in the beginning...and now that you point it out it was there in front of me the whole time. Thank you sir.
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