1,3-dimethylamylamine gone now?!

[bdcc]

Either way, people will be fine with just caffeine....
If ALL sups went away it would not be the end of the world. Just enjoy why I can.
Thx coop.

If it is a synthetic argument caffeine could hypothetically be effected as well unless you were using a natural extract rather than synthesised ingredients. This is the point people are trying to establish.

If this is natural vs synthetic this could be the very tip of the iceberg.

[StackedCop]

This fckin blows. Time for me to start stocking up on Dexaprine and other 1,3 goods.

Hurry up... The new Dexaprine will be 1,3 free.

[Clemenza]

The sad thing is if the FDA is after all "synthetically made" ingredients, prices of just about every dietary ingredient will skyrocket for both the manufacturers and in turn the consumers.

RIP Geranamine (2005-2012)

[AaronJP1]

If it is a synthetic argument caffeine could hypothetically be effected as well unless you were using a natural extract rather than synthesised ingredients. This is the point people are trying to establish.

If this is natural vs synthetic this could be the very tip of the iceberg.

Gotcha bud.

[Loudy Rowdy]

When people abuse supplements, **** like this happens. Sometimes consumers need to take these warning labels seriously before buying/consuming....research the product and etc. Dont just buy a product because its popular or has a cool label on it and then go 3 scoops right of the bat... <---Im just throwing that in as a guess on why there were incidents of people suffering negative effects.

For those who didnt catch it, Vaughn/iForce Nutrition, once got a phone call from a consumer whose boyfriend took in 8 dexaprine all at once..."Sir my boyfriend here just took some of......honey....how many did you take?....8 of your DEXATRIM...." People doing stupid things ruin it all of us...

I have had both good and bad experiences with DMAA...it really did depend how the product was made and how the energy blend is designed to be released (all at once?...gradual?)

[JudoJosh]

There is no valid evidence that DMAA is actually found in geranium. USPLabs claims they do have independent evidence it's found in nature, so it's about time they bring that to the table.

Thats not what the claim is and yes it is found in geranium

From 1996 - Ping Z, Jun Q, Qing L A study on the chemical constituents of geranium oil Journal of Guizhou Institute of Technology

About the synthetic argument:

I have a hard time understanding what the FDA means here. Are they saying you can't sell DMAA synthetically because it's not found in nature?


*bolding is mine.

Or are they saying you can't sell it because it's produced synthetically perse? I that case they can pull pretty much any dietary supplement.

No

The claim the FDA is making is that since it is produced synthetically it is not DSHEA compliant. And yes tgis puts just about every other supplement in jeopardy

If it is a synthetic argument caffeine could hypothetically be effected as well unless you were using a natural extract rather than synthesised ingredients. This is the point people are trying to establish.

If this is natural vs synthetic this could be the very tip of the iceberg.

Yes!

[Clemenza]

Thats not what the claim is and yes it is found in geranium

From 1996 - Ping Z, Jun Q, Qing L A study on the chemical constituents of geranium oil Journal of Guizhou Institute of Technology



No

The claim the FDA is making is that since it is produced synthetically it is not DSHEA compliant. And yes tgis puts just about every other supplement in jeopardy




Yes!

It seems that was the only study that was able to find 1,3 dimethylamylamine in geranium. According to NSF, other studies were done to find dmaa in geramium and they came up short. Supposedly USPLabs has stated it has done studies which found dmaa in geranium. I'd like to see if those studies come to surface now.

Also, that et al Ping study has been reviewed over and over and there's speculation that there was in error in the translation I believe that the study may never have mentioned methylhexaneamine.

[Angelbolic]

Thats not what the claim is and yes it is found in geranium

From 1996 - Ping Z, Jun Q, Qing L A study on the chemical constituents of geranium oil Journal of Guizhou Institute of Technology

Sigh. USPLabs has made that claim and it's even quoted again in the nutraingredients article.

The results of the Ping study are based on translation errors. I thought this was common knowledge by now.

No

The claim the FDA is making is that since it is produced synthetically it is not DSHEA compliant. And yes tgis puts just about every other supplement in jeopardy

You can read it both ways. It's a little hard to interpret what they're meaning because DMAA is probably not found in nature. If this was about synthetic caffeine or creatine the implications would be absolutely clear because we know for sure they're both found in the food supply.

[ax1]

Thank god tobacco is natural, along with its trillion other chemicals to keep you hooked. Goverment is only looking out for our own good.

[Loudy Rowdy]

Thank god tobacco is natural, along with its trillion other chemicals to keep you hooked. Goverment is only looking out for our own good.

hope you didnt mind..but i quoted this on my FB status... perfect comeback

[USPlabsRep]

Be that it may as coming from a natural source its process of extraction is entirely synthetic and the product can be found no where in nature sovereignly. It's been used before in topical agents for other purposes but never before as an ingestable product. I'm not a big fan so if it goes away Im whatever about it

Not True.

DMAA is a constituent of Geranium and Geranium has been in the food supply for centuries and has GRASS status. Just like Vitamin C is a constituent of citrus.

If it goes away, all synthetics go away...that is a HUGE whatever about it...think about it

you can read more at DMAAreserach.com

[USPlabsRep]

It seems that was the only study that was able to find 1,3 dimethylamylamine in geranium. According to NSF, other studies were done to find dmaa in geramium and they came up short. Supposedly USPLabs has stated it has done studies which found dmaa in geranium. I'd like to see if those studies come to surface now.

Also, that et al Ping study has been reviewed over and over and there's speculation that there was in error in the translation I believe that the study may never have mentioned methylhexaneamine.

There are NO studies to refute the Ping Studies. if so they would of been posted and it really doesn't matter because FDA is not claiming that its not naturally occuring only that it requires an NDI submission.

[Clemenza]

There are NO studies to refute the Ping Studies. if so they would of been posted and it really doesn't matter because FDA is not claiming that its not naturally occuring only that it requires an NDI submission.

I stand corrected... There are no STUDIES refuting the Ping study. However, according to NSF and Health Canada, they have run tests on Geranium and found no DMAA. Does this mean DMAA is definitely not a consituent of Geranium? No. But we've yet to see any other study besides the Ping study, finding DMAA in Geranium.



http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/...f-geranium-oil
http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/...-from-geranium

(Old articles but contain claims by NSF/HC that tests were unsuccessful in finding DMAA in Geranium. Take that with a grain of salt)


In this article ( http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/...are-uninformed )a USPlabs spokesman states, "DMAA is, in fact, a constituent of geranium and its derived oil and has been consumed as part of the human diet for more than 100 years" He added: "We have enlisted credentialed individuals and organizations to assist us in our endeavors to prove the above. As new information is release and published we will quickly alert consumers regarding our findings."

So if you guys can prove it, then I say do it!


I understand the NDI submission may technically be the reason for this. But all the DMAA speculation has come about due to the possible safety concerns (which USPlabs has struck down with your current safety studies) and whether or not DMAA actually comes from Geranium (Not the fact that it is synthetically made. From my understanding even Vitamin C pills are synthetically made).

[theniteman]

Thank god tobacco is natural, along with its trillion other chemicals to keep you hooked. Goverment is only looking out for our own good.

'MERICA!

[USPlabsRep]

I stand corrected... There are no STUDIES refuting the Ping study. However, according to NSF and Health Canada, they have run tests on Geranium and found no DMAA. Does this mean DMAA is definitely not a consituent of Geranium? No. But we've yet to see any other study besides the Ping study, finding DMAA in Geranium.



http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/...f-geranium-oil
http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/...-from-geranium

(Old articles but contain claims by NSF/HC that tests were unsuccessful in finding DMAA in Geranium. Take that with a grain of salt)


In this article ( http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/...are-uninformed )a USPlabs spokesman states, "DMAA is, in fact, a constituent of geranium and its derived oil and has been consumed as part of the human diet for more than 100 years" He added: "We have enlisted credentialed individuals and organizations to assist us in our endeavors to prove the above. As new information is release and published we will quickly alert consumers regarding our findings."

So if you guys can prove it, then I say do it!


I understand the NDI submission may technically be the reason for this. But all the DMAA speculation has come about due to the possible safety concerns (which USPlabs has struck down with your current safety studies) and whether or not DMAA actually comes from Geranium (Not the fact that it is synthetically made. From my understanding even Vitamin C pills are synthetically made).

FDA is not challenging natural occuring.

OUr study will be published soon but maybe to late...

[USPlabsRep]

I stand corrected... There are no STUDIES refuting the Ping study. However, according to NSF and Health Canada, they have run tests on Geranium and found no DMAA. Does this mean DMAA is definitely not a consituent of Geranium? No. But we've yet to see any other study besides the Ping study, finding DMAA in Geranium.



http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/...f-geranium-oil
http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/...-from-geranium

(Old articles but contain claims by NSF/HC that tests were unsuccessful in finding DMAA in Geranium. Take that with a grain of salt)


In this article ( http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/...are-uninformed )a USPlabs spokesman states, "DMAA is, in fact, a constituent of geranium and its derived oil and has been consumed as part of the human diet for more than 100 years" He added: "We have enlisted credentialed individuals and organizations to assist us in our endeavors to prove the above. As new information is release and published we will quickly alert consumers regarding our findings."

So if you guys can prove it, then I say do it!


I understand the NDI submission may technically be the reason for this. But all the DMAA speculation has come about due to the possible safety concerns (which USPlabs has struck down with your current safety studies) and whether or not DMAA actually comes from Geranium (Not the fact that it is synthetically made. From my understanding even Vitamin C pills are synthetically made).

on the same note, Visit DMAAresearch.com, you'll find 7 University clinicals on DMAA safety.

Where is the evidence it's dangerous?

[Clemenza]

on the same note, Visit DMAAresearch.com, you'll find 7 University clinicals on DMAA safety.

Where is the evidence it's dangerous?

I didn't say it was dangerous. I said your studies actually prove it's safety. I read them all.

[USPlabsRep]

I didn't say it was dangerous. I said your studies actually prove it's safety. I read them all.

I wasn't directing it your way, my apology...

[T-Bone]

I didn't think the issue was whether or not it was safe. The issue is/was that it is not naturally occurring so it violates DSHEA. That is my understanding of this whole thing anyway. I love the stuff. It depends on the brand though. It seems certain brands give me more of a nervous type energy and others make me feel great and put me in a good mood and give me smooth non jittery energy.

[Clemenza]

I wasn't directing it your way, my apology...

My bad. No prob