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    What exactly is this? How is different from creatine. I am looking into this product because I am looking to avoid the bloating from regular creatine? Any ideas?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by AndShane View Post
    What exactly is this? How is different from creatine. I am looking into this product because I am looking to avoid the bloating from regular creatine? Any ideas?

    From UncleWade:

    While it's commonly thought creatinol-o-phosphate is essentially another form of creatine, it's a completely different chemical compound with completely separate ergogenic benefits as compared to any form of creatine.

    I would recommend MCC though - give it a shot, sometimes it does potential a myriad of nice effects for mono non-responders. Also, you might consider taking one of the daily doses (two of three pills) pre-bed, as the magnesium sometimes enhances sleep.

  3. Quote Originally Posted by Daycrawler View Post


    From UncleWade:

    From Mr.Cooper69:

    While it's commonly thought creatinol-o-phosphate is essentially another form of creatine, it's a completely different chemical compound with completely separate ergogenic benefits as compared to any form of creatine.


    I would recommend MCC though - give it a shot, sometimes it does potential a myriad of nice effects for mono non-responders. Also, you might consider taking one of the daily doses (two of three pills) pre-bed, as the magnesium sometimes enhances sleep.
    Fixed . COP is great primarily for endurance and exercise capacity, as well as cardiac benefits. It won't cause you to hold water as it is not creatine.

    And most bloating issues with monohydrate have potential to be alleviated with a creatine form that has an alternative form of uptake. Since CEE is bunk, that leaves Magnesium Creatine Chelate.
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  4. I'm a huge fan of COP and it's endurance benefits when used with CM.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by PrepNwa23 View Post
    I'm a huge fan of COP and it's endurance benefits when used with CM.
    Cryoshock actually uses a very nice dose, was checking that out earlier!
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  6. Anymore I usually get 2 grams of COP a day using BodyForge.

  7. COP, CM and Beta Alanine are my favorites.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by PrepNwa23 View Post
    I'm a huge fan of COP and it's endurance benefits when used with CM.
    I totally agree. I hope to see it in more products in the future.

  9. IIRC it increases ATP production, thus "see posts above"
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Fixed . COP is great primarily for endurance and exercise capacity, as well as cardiac benefits. It won't cause you to hold water as it is not creatine.

    And most bloating issues with monohydrate have potential to be alleviated with a creatine form that has an alternative form of uptake. Since CEE is bunk, that leaves Magnesium Creatine Chelate.
    You have things nailed down, so all I can do is spread the awareness Coop.

    2g of COP has had acute and cumulative benefits for me - combined with CM, I have been absolutely shattering personal records this week and it has been absolutely fantastic. Add to that stack some Magnesium Creatine Chelate and Beta Alanine from SNS and you're golden for a basic, economical stack that will hit almost every facet of performance you're looking to improve during your time in the gym.
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  11. I havent used any product with COP but of all forms of creatine I find the phosphated compounds to be the best options. Purely monohydrate has its benefits but more cons than pros for me. CEE is junk. I've been using NeoVar for a while and really impressed with the way it affects the appearance and performance of muscle tissue. Not quite Creatinol but still has the phospho group to shoot into the muscle tissue.

    So what makes Creatinol so different? I've used krealkalyn and creatine phosphates and found them pretty good... this is news to me.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by OrganicShadow View Post
    I havent used any product with COP but of all forms of creatine I find the phosphated compounds to be the best options. Purely monohydrate has its benefits but more cons than pros for me. CEE is junk. I've been using NeoVar for a while and really impressed with the way it affects the appearance and performance of muscle tissue. Not quite Creatinol but still has the phospho group to shoot into the muscle tissue.

    So what makes Creatinol so different? I've used krealkalyn and creatine phosphates and found them pretty good... this is news to me.
    Creatinol-o-phosphate is not related to creatine in its method-of-action, and is an entirely different compound compared to various forms of creatine.

    It does seem to share some of its ergogenic benefits, but this is as far as the similarities run.
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  13. I'll have to do some homework on it.

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  14. Does this need to be dosed on off days? And is there a loading period?

  15. I've used molecular nutrition's peak beta + (ran a log on it here) which had cop and really enjoyed it. Saw great strength and endurance gains from it
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by The Engineer View Post
    Does this need to be dosed on off days? And is there a loading period?
    No loading. I generally use it on off days as well for recovery

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  17. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    No loading. I generally use it on off days as well for recovery
    Does this work well with X-Gels?
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    Another solid option is Genomyx protocol, great to add into BCAAs on off days or to preworkouts. 1 serving is 3g leucine, 1g COP, 1g lclt, 250 mg agmatine.

    Helps me power through long workouts and recover quicker. comes out to under 0.50 a serving so I double up for preworkout purposes to hit my 2g COP.

    Love using COP before workouts but unfortunately most pre's don't disclose the amount per serving, I will be looking into buying bulk
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by The Engineer View Post
    Does this work well with X-Gels?
    Yes..its pretty much become staple for me considering the price/benefits

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  20. Quote Originally Posted by The Engineer View Post

    Does this work well with X-Gels?
    Absolutely. I definitely think COP is underrated
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by Driven2lift View Post
    Another solid option is Genomyx protocol, great to add into BCAAs on off days or to preworkouts. 1 serving is 3g leucine, 1g COP, 1g lclt, 250 mg agmatine.

    Helps me power through long workouts and recover quicker. comes out to under 0.50 a serving so I double up for preworkout purposes to hit my 2g COP.

    Love using COP before workouts but unfortunately most pre's don't disclose the amount per serving, I will be looking into buying bulk
    SNS has COP in bulk. Definitely worth a shot to add to other preworkouts.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by The Engineer View Post
    Does this need to be dosed on off days? And is there a loading period?
    No loading per say but it did seem to take a few days to build up in my system and see max benefits (3-4 days or so). I would take it on rest days just to keep it consistent

  23. Take a look at our Endurance BCAA Plus product. Very well dosed 2:1:1 with the addition of BA and COP. We have a lot of people take this as a stim free PWO as well.

  24. I still have no clue if the one tub of E-COP from Prototype Nutrition will be sufficient for a 50-day run. I would take one scoop per day (2g COP) and also on rest days. Good idea?
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    Peak beta just dropped on sale, 2 for 1 effectively. Definitely jumping on this, 2g COP per dose, has me covered.
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  26. So what exactly is its method of action? Regenerates ATP? Lactic acid buffer?

    When people say it increase "endurance" what exactly are we referring to, aerobic or anaerobic capacity?

    To be honest I'm not a cyclist, so if its aerobic capacity I'm interested as it enhances performance and all effective ergogenic aids do interest me but not enough to go out and buy it.
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    Personally since running it I have had more endurance in terms of workout volume, I wouldn't say I've noticed strength increase but definitely can bang out more reps, also recovery time between sets is better and soreness after the workout is lessened.

    Currently cutting and having no strength loss as of yet, want to include COP in a recomp/bulk and see how it does then.
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by Driven2lift View Post
    Personally since running it I have had more endurance in terms of workout volume, I wouldn't say I've noticed strength increase but definitely can bang out more reps, also recovery time between sets is better and soreness after the workout is lessened. Currently cutting and having no strength loss as of yet, want to include COP in a recomp/bulk and see how it does then.
    I had a nearly identical experience. Nothing "cardio" related per say but def more workout volume and better intensity throughout
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  29. Need to get some COP, this added volume is kicking my ass and I still have 4 weeks of prep to grind out
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by Alasel View Post
    So what exactly is its method of action? Regenerates ATP? Lactic acid buffer?

    When people say it increase "endurance" what exactly are we referring to, aerobic or anaerobic capacity?

    To be honest I'm not a cyclist, so if its aerobic capacity I'm interested as it enhances performance and all effective ergogenic aids do interest me but not enough to go out and buy it.
    Its MOA is not really understood at this stage. Very limited data on it. You could make an assumption that it has the potential to buffer a drop in intracellular PH which occurs during exercise and therefore prolong muscle contractions. I.e. as H+ ions accumulate during exercise (thus limiting it), COP has the potential to limit this effect and thus ensure you get out a few extra reps.
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  31. I use Peak Beta 6 caps PWO for my main two (longer) workouts. Would not workout with out it! And COP really shines under high volume. Reps just keep going and going....

  32. Just picked up iforce conquer for my COP fix. I'll give it a try 2maro!!!
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  33. Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    Just picked up iforce conquer for my COP fix. I'll give it a try 2maro!!!
    Does that have 2g's of COP per serving in it? That's generally the recommended dose..
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  34. 4g cop works well for me. I am thinking its due to body weight *245+now* and height . May be wrong. I can however say I think it was PA who said it needs to be taken every day
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  35. Quote Originally Posted by schizm View Post
    Does that have 2g's of COP per serving in it? That's generally the recommended dose..
    If not, I'll be killing someone.

    It's a prop blend that's about 7gr with COP being first, imagine it's about 2gr
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  36. Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post

    If not, I'll be killing someone.

    It's a prop blend that's about 7gr with COP being first, imagine it's about 2gr
    Yowsa, that's what I call COP-rage...lol...
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  37. I've been taking SNS COP but the dose is 1.5 g compared to 4 g per day with prototype nutritions effervescent COP. Think I'm gonna switch back. And yea I dealt do think you're supposed to take it everyday. At least 1 gram on off days. So many conflicting opinions

  38. Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post

    If not, I'll be killing someone.

    It's a prop blend that's about 7gr with COP being first, imagine it's about 2gr
    I hate proprietary blends. Especially since a lot of compounds have "effective dosages" thus your not sure if your ingesting enough. Really annoys me.

    Ps how is conquer? I mean as a prep workout in general? I would appreciate you opinion as I've noticed the only people who seem to sing its praises rep for Iforce -_- but it does seems to have a solid profile all be in a proprietary blend...

  39. Quote Originally Posted by bakerwil View Post
    I use Peak Beta 6 caps PWO for my main two (longer) workouts. Would not workout with out it! And COP really shines under high volume. Reps just keep going and going....
    I also considered Peak Beta +. Solid company, good profile. I also considered Protocol V2...

    Can you speak more of your experiences & also dosing on other days? Thanks

  40. Quote Originally Posted by Alasel View Post
    I also considered Peak Beta +. Solid company, good profile. I also considered Protocol V2...

    Can you speak more of your experiences & also dosing on other days? Thanks
    Personally, I only use it pre-workout (and not for cardio only workouts). I did not see much difference between dosing 6 and 8 caps; however, you may. This is one product I will continue to use. I have not used any other CP products, but found Peak Beta to be the best value. Give it a try - I have not seen anyone not react favourably.
  

  
 

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