Ultima + Hemavol + Craze...?
- 04-14-2012, 05:30 PM
- 04-14-2012, 05:35 PM
I honestly think its overkill, but you would be getting effacious doses of a ton of ingredients that way.Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals Representative Manager
04-14-2012, 06:21 PM
When taking cholinergics likewith , you may notice unfavorable mental effects. I can't say for sure because it is totally user-dependent.
04-14-2012, 06:59 PM
Although, I did really enjoy the combo of Craze an hour Pre-workout and Ultima post workout (almost 2 to 2.5 hours after ingestion of Craze).
04-14-2012, 07:42 PM
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04-14-2012, 09:14 PM
Agree with not dosing Ultima and CRAZE together. DS reps have stated numerous times that beta alanine will affect the overall effectiveness of craze in a detrimental way. I just stacked craze + hemavol and had an e****lent workout. They complement each other very well!
I might consider trying this as I have found that Ultima didn't really do it for me pre-workout but I love the ingredient profile too much to just not use it... Post workout seems like a great idea to benefit from ultima's ingredient blend. Thx for the tip!Originally Posted by bolt10
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04-14-2012, 09:19 PM
I take Craze alone because of unfavorable reactions I have noticed when combining it with other supplements (with the exception being Hemavol at a half-serving, which was fantastic).
A suitable replacement in that stack might be Focus XT, whose mix of studied and time-tested nootropics would have significant less, IMHO, downsides compared to Craze. It would also provide the nice stimulant boost associated with 200mg of caffeine.
I have tried the combination of one scoop Ultima + .5 serving of Hemavol + one scoop Focus XT potentiated an absolutely fantastic workout.
04-15-2012, 03:02 AM
Have you tried them on their own (solo) yet? If not I would start with that so you can gauge any effects you like or didnt like before stacking it all together.
But like the other have said I think it may be overkill. For stim side go Craze + Hemavol and then on days where you are looking for stim free go with Ultima + Hemavol
04-15-2012, 11:09 AM
04-15-2012, 02:37 PM
04-15-2012, 03:53 PM
Def pick up some Ultima and Hemavol and try them out by themselves before stacking. Both stacked seem to be one of the most popular stim free options.
Are you looking for something stim free or are you looking for that stim hit and focus? I know you didnt mention it, but have you tried Maximize Intense?
04-15-2012, 11:20 PM
stim-free wise, ultima and hemavol is one of the best you can run.
if you want stimulants thrown in, craze + hemavol should be a solid stack. I personally use hemavol and max intense, and its an awesome combination, and gets you great doses of a number of great ingredients.
all 3 together seems like overkill to me too (as plenty of others here have said)
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04-16-2012, 12:11 AM
I wish I had the money to pull this off. I'll just say what others have said and think it's basically overkill. Then again I basically never "stack" pre-workout products so maybe I'm just a cheap ass light weight?
04-16-2012, 01:33 AM
WAY overkill.. spend that money on food and protein IMO. Hemavol + Ultima has been a long time, well respected stack with tons of solid reviews.
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04-16-2012, 12:42 PM
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04-16-2012, 05:17 PM
If you're looking to simplify with a break from most supplementation, you might also consider using just basic staples that are available from the bulk-based lines of many companies. SNS does have a wide variety of ingredients like Magnesium Creatine Chelate, Citrulline Malate, Creatinol-o-Phosphate, Beta Alanine, Agmatine, and others that would help give you great benefits at a very economical price until you're ready to return to formulations like Craze and others.
04-16-2012, 05:20 PM
Not worth it. Craze+750mg Agmatine provides stupid, large pumps. Thats what im doing right now.Originally Posted by JonRubio
Tbh, I'm not a huge fan of Ultima. It has lots of stuff properly dosed but it's also very pricey. I prefer a medium stim preworkout+SNS CM+SNS Agmatine...
Although, Focus XT+Hemavol was AWESOME. Focus and pumps.
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