How to Construct a Basic Supplement Stack - AnabolicMinds.com - Page 2

How to Construct a Basic Supplement Stack

Page 2 of 2 First 12
  1. Senior Member
    antihero's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    1,357
    Rep Power
    253647

    Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    5. Superdrol

    Happy?
    The RecoverBros are not pleased of your exclusion of BlackLiver.
    Serious Nutrition Solutions
    Revolutionizing Sports Nutrition, One Product At A Time
    antihero [@] SeriousNutritionSolutions.com

  2. Elite Member
    vidapreta's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    5,659
    Rep Power
    3765912

    Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    5. Superdrol

    Happy?
    I'm happy

    Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using Tapatalk 2
  3. Advanced Member
    Jonbero's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"  180 lbs.
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    739
    Rep Power
    18083

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    5. Superdrol

    Happy?
    I'm so happy you came to your senses!
    I hated every minute of training, but I said, "Don't quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion." -Muhammad Ali
    •   
       

  4. Elite Member
    vidapreta's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    5,659
    Rep Power
    3765912

    Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation

    I also think you should've added M1T.. But nobody's perfect.

    Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using Tapatalk 2
  5. Senior Member
    monstermash's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  234 lbs.
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    2,990
    Rep Power
    19725

    Reputation

    sub to read later
    :blindfold:
  6. Senior Member
    bigdavid's Avatar
    Stats
    6'2"  250 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    2,274
    Rep Power
    19618

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    5. Superdrol

    Happy?
    I haven't used a bvit complex in a while. You say 3 times per day you take it? What is the dose per meal? something like a B50?
  7. Diamond Member
    mr.cooper69's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    10,491
    Rep Power
    6035017

    Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    I haven't used a bvit complex in a while. You say 3 times per day you take it? What is the dose per meal? something like a B50?
    Jarrow B-Right is what I use when I'm not using Orange Triad. A quality, built-in B-vitamin complex in a multi (like OT) negates the need for further B-complex dosing.
    http://pescience.com/
    http://selectprotein.com/
    The above is my own opinion and does not reflect the opinion of PES
  8. Senior Member
    bigdavid's Avatar
    Stats
    6'2"  250 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    2,274
    Rep Power
    19618

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Jarrow B-Right is what I use when I'm not using Orange Triad. A quality, built-in B-vitamin complex in a multi (like OT) negates the need for further B-complex dosing.
    The Jarrow product looks solid I'll pick that up. I have been looking to dose all my vitamins individually like this for a while, I just ran out of my multi last week so this is the best time to give it a go. People start to look at you weird when you pill out a bag with 30 pills in it at a restaurant, though o.O.
  9. Diamond Member
    mr.cooper69's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    10,491
    Rep Power
    6035017

    Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation

    The next one on my list will be carnitine salts, specifically ALCAR.
    http://pescience.com/
    http://selectprotein.com/
    The above is my own opinion and does not reflect the opinion of PES
  10. Professional Member
    SweetLou321's Avatar
    Stats
    5'8"  188 lbs.
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Posts
    3,583
    Rep Power
    115441

    Reputation Reputation Reputation

    How much epa/dha would the 3gs your recommended for fish oil come out to? I use a liquid product and per 1.5g it has 800mg epa/500mg dha, carlson brand.
  11. Diamond Member
    mr.cooper69's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    10,491
    Rep Power
    6035017

    Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by SweetLou321 View Post
    How much epa/dha would the 3gs your recommended for fish oil come out to? I use a liquid product and per 1.5g it has 800mg epa/500mg dha, carlson brand.
    The recommendation was for 3g combined epa/dha (daily plasma saturation). This dosing scheme is dependent on your goals. Lipid peroxidation can occur at doses this high if you are highly active, so take that into consideration
    http://pescience.com/
    http://selectprotein.com/
    The above is my own opinion and does not reflect the opinion of PES
  12. Professional Member
    SweetLou321's Avatar
    Stats
    5'8"  188 lbs.
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Posts
    3,583
    Rep Power
    115441

    Reputation Reputation Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    The recommendation was for 3g combined epa/dha (daily plasma saturation). This dosing scheme is dependent on your goals. Lipid peroxidation can occur at doses this high if you are highly active, so take that into consideration
    Lipid peroxidation? I looked it up. Does this happen regardless of the high dose fish oil?
  13. Diamond Member
    mr.cooper69's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    10,491
    Rep Power
    6035017

    Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by SweetLou321 View Post
    Lipid peroxidation? I looked it up. Does this happen regardless of the high dose fish oil?
    Nope, stuff like this generally happens at higher doses (such as how antioxidants often go pro-oxidant if dosed too high or around exercise).
    http://pescience.com/
    http://selectprotein.com/
    The above is my own opinion and does not reflect the opinion of PES
  14. Professional Member
    SweetLou321's Avatar
    Stats
    5'8"  188 lbs.
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Posts
    3,583
    Rep Power
    115441

    Reputation Reputation Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Nope, stuff like this generally happens at higher doses (such as how antioxidants often go pro-oxidant if dosed too high or around exercise).
    I compete in powerlifting and train using the westside method. Would that be considred highly active? Thus Id be smart to not dose that high?
  15. Diamond Member
    mr.cooper69's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    10,491
    Rep Power
    6035017

    Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by SweetLou321 View Post
    I compete in powerlifting and train using the westside method. Would that be considred highly active? Thus Id be smart to not dose that high?
    Post a sample routine and how often you do it weekly
    http://pescience.com/
    http://selectprotein.com/
    The above is my own opinion and does not reflect the opinion of PES
  16. Professional Member
    SweetLou321's Avatar
    Stats
    5'8"  188 lbs.
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Posts
    3,583
    Rep Power
    115441

    Reputation Reputation Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Post a sample routine and how often you do it weekly
    m-me lower
    t-off
    w-me upper
    th-off
    f-de lower
    sat-de upper
    sun-off

    me lower
    gpp-sled pulls for 3 200 meter laps
    Suspeded Goodmorning-work up to a 1rm
    GHRs-3-5 sets of 5-12 reps
    reverse hypers-3-4 sets of 10-15 reps
    standing cable crunches-3-4 sets of 5-12 reps

    me upper
    gpp-sled rows and face pulls w/ med ball wall and floor slams, 2 laps/sets
    Floor Press w/ 60lbs of chain-work up to a 1rm
    kroc rows
    rolling tricep ext-3-5 sets of 10-15 reps
    pullaparts+neck work-100 total

    de lower
    gpp-slep pushed 3 200 meter laps
    de box squat w/ chain-12 sets of 2
    de speed pulls w/ bands-6 sets of 1
    banded leg curls-100 total reps
    suitcase deadlifts-3 sets of 5

    de upper
    gpp-tire flips
    de bench w/ chains-9 sets of 3
    sohp-3 sets of 5 in the 85% range
    jm press-3-5 sets of 10
    iso hammer high rows+rear delt raises-30-50 total reps of each
    neck work
  17. Diamond Member
    mr.cooper69's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    10,491
    Rep Power
    6035017

    Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation

    Doesn't look unreasonable. I'd dose 2-3g epa/dha on off days and 500-800mg on training days
    http://pescience.com/
    http://selectprotein.com/
    The above is my own opinion and does not reflect the opinion of PES
  18. Professional Member
    SweetLou321's Avatar
    Stats
    5'8"  188 lbs.
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Posts
    3,583
    Rep Power
    115441

    Reputation Reputation Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Doesn't look unreasonable. I'd dose 2-3g epa/dha on off days and 500-800mg on training days
    Thanks ill do that.
  19. New Member
    ironwiz's Avatar
    Stats
    6'1"  196 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Posts
    270
    Rep Power
    23288

    Reputation

    Bump.

    Looking forward to your reviews on ALCAR and others.

    And what about Agmatine and Citrulline Malate?
  20. AnabolicMinds Site Rep
    Spaniard's Avatar
    Stats
    5'8"  186 lbs.
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    7,003
    Rep Power
    3802016

    Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation

    BUMP!!!! I was debating going over some basic bulk supps that have worked wonders for me but due to lack of time and remembering the info in this one, a good ol bump should do!!!
    Olympus Labs DemiGod And Rep ~ http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/253076-spaniards-coliseum-featuring.html~http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/220023-valdez-goes-back-29.html
  21. Senior Member
    02sixxer's Avatar
    Stats
    6'2"  215 lbs.
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    1,654
    Rep Power
    389584

    Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    If I may add.. Avoid eating high phytic acid foods (grains) around the time you supplement with minerals

    Also, 3g fish oil is pushing it IMO. I wouldn't exceed 360/440 EPA/DHA. Also one should try and get a fish oil low in EPA, as it is plausible that high EPA can have a negative effect on ones HPA

    Lastly, curcumin is a top 5 supplement for me and I would add it to this list
    3g seems to be quite common and a, researched backed, acceptable dose. I also have read several studies about omegas, claiming EPA is inferior to DHA due to the body using ala to change EPA into DHA.

    I would like to dive into that a bit deeper, bc I have sat through several seminars discussing they were equally important. So I've used omega's 3 and 6 for years. Now, I ve been reading that omega 3 should be the primary source of omegas.

    Lastly, a little off topic, what does coop think of MCT fats.
    Formutech Nutrition Rep --------------Team IronClad Physiques!!!
    www.formutechnutrition.com------------------ NPC Competitor
    www.facebook.com/fnutrition
  22. Senior Member
    02sixxer's Avatar
    Stats
    6'2"  215 lbs.
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    1,654
    Rep Power
    389584

    Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonbero View Post

    Yeah! Only difference is one can be found on walmart shelves...
    Correction they both can. Just by B12 and you may be surprised at the headaches and sudden strength gains that with it.
    Formutech Nutrition Rep --------------Team IronClad Physiques!!!
    www.formutechnutrition.com------------------ NPC Competitor
    www.facebook.com/fnutrition
  23. Diamond Member
    mr.cooper69's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    10,491
    Rep Power
    6035017

    Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation

    Thanks for the bump my spanish friend
    http://pescience.com/
    http://selectprotein.com/
    The above is my own opinion and does not reflect the opinion of PES
  24. AnabolicMinds Site Rep
    Spaniard's Avatar
    Stats
    5'8"  186 lbs.
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    7,003
    Rep Power
    3802016

    Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Thanks for the bump my spanish friend
    Why reinvent the wheel, when the wheel is already perfectly round lol
    Olympus Labs DemiGod And Rep ~ http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/253076-spaniards-coliseum-featuring.html~http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/220023-valdez-goes-back-29.html
  25. New Member
    sideshowdoc's Avatar
    Stats
    5'9"  160 lbs.
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    146
    Rep Power
    9072

    Reputation

    What would you consider too much fish oil and what should one look out for symptom wise?

    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    From my post on another board...

    I thought I'd lay out a basic supplement stack for anyone who is interested.


    Vitamins and Minerals


    There are two main approaches to supplementing your vitamin and mineral needs.


    1. Multivitamin


    Pros:
    -Multivitamins are great because they conveniently include every vitamin and mineral that your body may need on a daily basis
    -Multivitamins are essentially a cheap insurance policy to ensure that deficiencies do not occur.


    Cons:
    -Multivitamins, due to their large composition of ingredients, are pharmacokinetically challenged. When taken with food, the increased gastric motility may reduce overall micronutrient absorption. On the flip side, if taken without food, fat-soluble vitamins may suffer lesser absorption.
    -Most multivitamins do not account for interactions and uptake overlap between the various constituents of the formula.


    How to purchase a multivitamin:


    You want to purchase a multivitamin that uses superior vitamin forms and chelated minerals while circumventing the "cons" listed above.


    Good Choices:


    -AOR Orthocore
    -Orange Triad
    -Source Naturals Life Force Multiple


    2. ACES


    Pros:
    -Doesn't have the "cons" associated with multivitamins


    Cons:
    -Expensive and inconvenient


    How to purchase ACES:


    Let me start by elucidating what ACES is: Vitamin A, Vitamin C, Vitamin E, and Selenium. On top of ACES, you will also want vitamin D, a b-complex, and a mineral complex.


    Good Choices:


    Vitamin A - Solaray Food Carotene 10,000IU
    Vitamin C- Ester-C or Generic Ascorbic Acid - 500mg
    Vitamin E- Toco-8 or MRM Complete-E
    Selenium- 100mcg of seleniomethionine (don't exceed 200mcg daily)
    Vitamin D- Generic Brand 5000 IU D3 in fall/winter, 2000 IU in spring/summer
    B-Complex - AOR B-Complex or Jarrow B-Right
    Mineral Complex - NOW Minerals


    Some may prefer to dose the water-soluble vitamins multiple times a day (B and C). Personally, I would take a B-Complex 1-3 times a day and vitamin C 1-2 times a day, away from training sessions.


    Fish Oil


    Pros:
    -If the diet is deficient in Omega-3s from fish, fish oil supplementation is a great idea. The benefits are profound: reduced inflammation, increased protein synthesis in the elderly, fatty acid balance, optimized brain function, reduced blood pressure, and transiently increased energy expenditure following meals.


    Cons:
    -None if dosed responsibly.


    How to pick a fish oil:


    You ideally want a fish oil with high epa/dha content. Plasma saturation of epa/dha occurs at 3g total daily, which is what you should be aiming for.


    Good choices:


    Controlled Labs Orange Oximega Fish Oil
    NOW Ultra Omega-3
    Nordic Naturals
    SAN Triple Fish Fats


    Creatine


    Pros:


    -The primary benefit is increased anaerobic capacity. This means you will shift more weight for more reps in the 1-15 rep range.
    -Others: brain function, immune support, improved glucose tolerance, improved bone health, enhanced muscular hydration and volumization.


    Cons:
    -None if used in healthy individuals and dosed correctly.


    How to pick a creatine:


    Simple: pick creatine monohydrate. Dose at 5g every day for the first month, and then 3-5g on workout days only thereafter. Certain individuals may respond better to Magnesium Creatine Chelate as far as GI issues are concerned. For particular forms of creatine, I'll answer what I can in this thread.


    Good Choices:


    SNS Creatine Monohydrate
    Allmax Micronized Creatine
    ON Micronized Creatine


    Beta-Alanine


    Pros:
    -Increased muscle carnosine translates into increased muscular endurance and performance. Complements creatine quite well.
    -A variety of benefits are associated with increased carnosine, such as greater longevity and reduced soreness following exercise.


    Cons:
    -Some users may experience parathesia, a tingling sensation, if too much beta-alanine is taken at once.


    How to choose a beta-alanine product:


    Beta-alanine is best used by dosing multiple times a day in small doses. It should be used every day at 3.2-6.4g daily, for months on end. A good beta-alanine product will simply meet label claims, though I prefer capsules because it makes the "multiple-times-a-day" dosing far more convenient.


    Good choices:


    SNS Beta-alanine Caps
    AEN IntraXCell
    Gaspari Anavite at 6 tabs/day




    So there you have 4 basic supplements for any user who is seeking to optimize performance and overall health. I will expand on this list in the future, but this is simply the "base" from which you can build up.
  26. Diamond Member
    mr.cooper69's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    10,491
    Rep Power
    6035017

    Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation

    Over 3g epa/dha with no other omega 6s in the diet would be too much. Excessive bleeding and hampered recovery may be symptoms
    http://pescience.com/
    http://selectprotein.com/
    The above is my own opinion and does not reflect the opinion of PES
  27. New Member
    sideshowdoc's Avatar
    Stats
    5'9"  160 lbs.
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    146
    Rep Power
    9072

    Reputation

    Sounds like I may need a bit of AA
  28. AnabolicMinds Site Rep
    Spaniard's Avatar
    Stats
    5'8"  186 lbs.
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    7,003
    Rep Power
    3802016

    Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Over 3g epa/dha with no other omega 6s in the diet would be too much. Excessive bleeding and hampered recovery may be symptoms
    Translation - balance ****ers!
    Olympus Labs DemiGod And Rep ~ http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/253076-spaniards-coliseum-featuring.html~http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/220023-valdez-goes-back-29.html
  29. New Member
    sideshowdoc's Avatar
    Stats
    5'9"  160 lbs.
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    146
    Rep Power
    9072

    Reputation

    Seems like 6 pills is a bit much for a multi. Culd you half dose orange triad and just add in additional calcium and magnesium? Seems like you would stll get the required amount of most of the other vits/mins.

    And do you have any opinions on supplemental calcium and magnesium specifically? I dont really supplement much calcium but I actually supplement magnesium in the 600-800 mg range daily.
  30. Elite Member
    breezy11's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"  230 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Posts
    7,433
    Rep Power
    3817031

    Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by sideshowdoc View Post
    Seems like 6 pills is a bit much for a multi. Culd you half dose orange triad and just add in additional calcium and magnesium? Seems like you would stll get the required amount of most of the other vits/mins.
    You could split the dose in half, but wouldn't be getting the full benefits of the joint support.
    PES Representative
    http://pescience.com/insider
    http://selectprotein.com
  31. AnabolicMinds Site Rep
    Spaniard's Avatar
    Stats
    5'8"  186 lbs.
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    7,003
    Rep Power
    3802016

    Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by sideshowdoc View Post
    Seems like 6 pills is a bit much for a multi. Culd you half dose orange triad and just add in additional calcium and magnesium? Seems like you would stll get the required amount of most of the other vits/mins.

    And do you have any opinions on supplemental calcium and magnesium specifically? I dont really supplement much calcium but I actually supplement magnesium in the 600-800 mg range daily.
    The six pill recommendation is based on three in the morning three at night. You have to realize that with multi vitamins you are not absorbing everything on the label which is why they have the dosing scheme setup the way they do.
    Olympus Labs DemiGod And Rep ~ http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/253076-spaniards-coliseum-featuring.html~http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/220023-valdez-goes-back-29.html
  

  
 

Similar Forum Threads

  1. Help Construct Dermacrine PCT plz!
    By freefall365 in forum Supplements
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 02-02-2011, 03:57 PM
  2. Replies: 2
    Last Post: 11-30-2010, 02:29 AM
  3. basic stack
    By at1010 in forum Supplements
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 08-03-2009, 03:32 PM
  4. which basic cutting stack??
    By Korben in forum Supplements
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 06-12-2009, 11:54 AM
  5. Most basic CL stack?
    By chickenadobo in forum Controlled Labs
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 05-05-2007, 04:09 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Log in
Log in