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    Have a friend at work who was taking craze 3 - 4 times a week. Got injured one day, was taken for piss test and passed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47

    Hey Patrick
    so if I got it right, n-benzyl-2-pea is in Craze (?) and is not listed in the ingredients?
    Would this be the issue? I mean, let's say DS listed it in the label, would everything be ok then?
    Or the ingredient is banned/dangerous?

    And the reason for something like this would be? Somehow try to keep the formula secret?
    Mine is just curiosity and thank you in advance for replying
    I dont believe it is DSHEA compliant so it wouldnt matter if it was listed or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    I dont believe it is DSHEA compliant so it wouldnt matter if it was listed or not
    i think someone mentioned it was found in the Oxytropis falcate plant, but i could be confusing the compounds
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    Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47

    Hey Patrick
    so if I got it right, n-benzyl-2-pea is in Craze (?) and is not listed in the ingredients?
    Would this be the issue? I mean, let's say DS listed it in the label, would everything be ok then?
    Or the ingredient is banned/dangerous?

    And the reason for something like this would be? Somehow try to keep the formula secret?
    Mine is just curiosity and thank you in advance for replying
    I dont believe it is DSHEA compliant so it wouldnt matter if it was listed or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by jobless View Post
    update, I've talked to the testing facility and got them to explain the rare but potential failure of the test cups and the common false negatives associated with "supplements" and have got the company to soften its negativity on the subject. so for now it looks like I'm guilty unless proven innocent. basically meaning if the lab reports back negative they will honer a retest inlace of the first test and hopefully regain my job and get to blame it on a bad cup. however if the report comes back that theres anything remotely close its going to be a battle. So please anyone with any new info please post and try to explain in plain english as much as posable as I'm really not educated in this subject. thanks again to everyone for your help.

    I wish you luck on your second test. do you have details on how they are going to analyze it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47 View Post
    Hey Patrick
    so if I got it right, n-benzyl-2-pea is in Craze (?) and is not listed in the ingredients?
    Would this be the issue? I mean, let's say DS listed it in the label, would everything be ok then?
    Or the ingredient is banned/dangerous?

    And the reason for something like this would be? Somehow try to keep the formula secret?
    Mine is just curiosity and thank you in advance for replying


    well I dont see it on the label, unless one of those dendro names represents the stuff

    this ingredient certainly is not a controlled substance as i was able to easily purchase a standard for it. I am not entirely sure of its legal status as a supplement. I also dont know anything about its pharmacological activity, if it has any
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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    I dont believe it is DSHEA compliant so it wouldnt matter if it was listed or not
    it likely is not

    however there are a million non-dshea ingredients being sold in fat loss products openly and without consequence. Just read an ingredient label on one of those vpx products
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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    i think someone mentioned it was found in the Oxytropis falcate plant, but i could be confusing the compounds
    the stuff in oxytropis i believe was benzoic acid linked up with PEA via an amide bond. Definitely not the same thing
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    BK, are you telling me that you don't know the answer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jobless
    update, I've talked to the testing facility and got them to explain the rare but potential failure of the test cups and the common false negatives associated with "supplements" and have got the company to soften its negativity on the subject. so for now it looks like I'm guilty unless proven innocent. basically meaning if the lab reports back negative they will honer a retest inlace of the first test and hopefully regain my job and get to blame it on a bad cup. however if the report comes back that theres anything remotely close its going to be a battle. So please anyone with any new info please post and try to explain in plain english as much as posable as I'm really not educated in this subject. thanks again to everyone for your help.
    You should take craze right before your second test just to make sure that's what made you pop. Can't ever be too sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by demolition View Post
    You should take craze right before your second test just to make sure that's what made you pop. Can't ever be too sure.
    thats gotta be the stupidest advice i ever heard. i hope you are joking
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

    thats gotta be the stupidest advice i ever heard. i hope you are joking
    Lol come on of course I am.
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    Quote Originally Posted by demolition View Post
    Lol come on of course I am.
    i guess i am not familiar with u. i thought maybe you might have beeen a random dumbass
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    I wish you luck on your second test. do you have details on how they are going to analyze it?
    Thanks, it was sent away to a lab not sure where and I won't have the luxury of speaking with the technition unless he finds something. I hope he dosent because I want to have a job and I kinda wanna use the other 3/4 of a tub of craze I have ( havent been really motivated to hit the gym this week) but I would really like to talk to the tech after all this so hopefully he calls me even if I clear .
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    Quote Originally Posted by demolition View Post
    You should take craze right before your second test just to make sure that's what made you pop. Can't ever be too sure.
    This actually made me laugh haha !

    Funny thing is obviously I want to retest and pass but I would love too do a third test after with a good solid two scoop workout Inbetween I think it would be very beneficial / educating to see if it popped again or I just got a bad cup , very interested !!!
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    Oh god here we go. When you can't offer a product as good or as effective as CRAZE, guess that means it's time to get it off the market. :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angelbolic
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    If only I knew what all of this meant....
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    Quote Originally Posted by D3Baseball View Post
    If only I knew what all of this meant....
    The usual suspects that test things in order to get them off the market. They all share the common history of doing these things and have been for years. Coop dropped the initials of one of the players in earlier post. Keep in mind all the player(s) involved ALL SHARE SHADY PASTS...ALL OF THEM. So judge accordingly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23

    The usual suspects that test things in order to get them off the market. They all have history of doing these things for years. Coop dropped the initials of one of the players, who has a history of doing this stuff. Keep in mind all the player(s) involved ALL SHARE SHADY PASTS...ALL OF THEM.
    Like has been said, there's nothing wrong with testing if you find that someone has been dishonest.

    But what I don't know is what's up with this compound
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angelbolic View Post
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    actually, there is a smaller peak that very much correspsonds to

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    Quote Originally Posted by D3Baseball View Post
    Like has been said, there's nothing wrong with testing if you find that someone has been dishonest.

    But what I don't know is what's up with this compound
    Honesty and integrity have NOTHING to do with why it's been tested. And since "honesty" is being looked at as a key attribute of the testers, why not take a look at their honesty as it relates to their involvement in the industry over the years. If we're to judge, then judge them all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    Oh god here we go. When you can't offer a product as good or as effective as CRAZE, guess that means it's time to get it off the market. :/
    i hope you arent talking to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

    i hope you arent talking to me
    Hope his angus is peppered lulz
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    Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    The usual suspects that test things in order to get them off the market. They all share the common history of doing these things and have been for years. Coop dropped the initials of one of the players in earlier post. Keep in mind all the player(s) involved ALL SHARE SHADY PASTS...ALL OF THEM. So judge accordingly.
    I test things to keep legitimacy in the market. I dont test things to get legitimate products removed from the market.

    If Craze is legit then it will stay on the market. If it is not legit than it is not fair that legit products have to compete against it. Why you cannot understand the perspective of a supplement company in this matter I dunno.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    i hope you arent talking to me
    Pat, will all due respect the world doesn't revolve around you. I was speaking in general terms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    The usual suspects that test things in order to get them off the market. They all share the common history of doing these things and have been for years. Coop dropped the initials of one of the players in earlier post. Keep in mind all the player(s) involved ALL SHARE SHADY PASTS...ALL OF THEM. So judge accordingly.
    and DS has a very shady past too. so what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    Pat, will all due respect the world doesn't revolve around you. I was speaking in general terms.
    well then who were you talking about? why are you afraid to be specific?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    I test things to keep legitimacy in the market. I dont test things to get legitimate products removed from the market.

    If Craze is legit then it will stay on the market. If it is not legit than it is not fair that legit products have to compete against it. Why you cannot understand the perspective of a supplement company in this matter I dunno.
    Because the end goal is to get an effective product taken off the market and replaced it with what exactly? So far no company has been innovative enough to making something better, much less comparable to Craze. That's just the plain truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    well then who were you talking about? why are you afraid to be specific?
    :/ Carry on Pat.
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    Southpaw are you a DS rep? Just about every post you post is about Craze. Every post of yours since the second has been about craze and a good majority of those before as well. I don't mind if you are, I like craze. You just seem more than a fan.
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