DS Craze Lawsuit and FDA Action

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Yes you are correct on that. I should have been more descriptive. What I felt was more of a psychotropic effect, not something you want to feel when your working out.
    i do not like the feeling of adderall type stimulation at all. it harkens back to years ago when i used to abuse those type of drugs. i get very paranoid and sexual and just plain freaky. no thanks. i am fine with caffeine, ephedrine, and geranamine is fine too
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    i do not like the feeling of adderall type stimulation at all. it harkens back to years ago when i used to abuse those type of drugs. i get very paranoid and sexual and just plain freaky. no thanks. i am fine with caffeine, ephedrine, and geranamine is fine too
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by D3Baseball View Post

    stop it, you are grossing me out
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    i get very paranoid and sexual and just plain freaky.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by Powercage View Post

    Prepared....lol
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  6. Once I've seen that I can't unsee it and its haunting my dreams!

  7. So did the guy win the usplabs law suit?

  8. Quote Originally Posted by freezito View Post
    So did the guy win the usplabs law suit?
    Still in progress.

    He has beaten BSN multiple times and gotten customer refund payouts and even a newspaper ad apologizing for advertising Cheaters Relief in a misleading way

  9. Quote Originally Posted by D3Baseball View Post
    Still in progress.

    He has beaten BSN multiple times and gotten customer refund payouts and even a newspaper ad apologizing for advertising Cheaters Relief in a misleading way
    USP won their first one, and the second one has been thrown out if I remember correctly.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by D3Baseball

    Still in progress.

    He has beaten BSN multiple times and gotten customer refund payouts and even a newspaper ad apologizing for advertising Cheaters Relief in a misleading way
    Doesn't matter his past record.

    The cases with BSN were much more straight forward.

    USPLabs didnt settle the first case for a reason, they're setting a precedent that they won't just settle with anyone who brings a claim..
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Yes you are correct on that. I should have been more descriptive. What I felt was more of a psychotropic effect, not something you want to feel when your working out.
    Nor the intense anxiety afterwards when at work surrounded by colleagues!

  12. Yeah, I haven't posted anything... I just been reading for years... But... I've tried it all... I loved craze for sure it's awesome.. But I stopped due to one odd thing...
    haha yes it's an awesome product but no one can deny its not different. The most hilarious thing I read is everyone is completely against drugs and how they are for losers.. Yet they want to stock up on things that are potentially being banned for illegal ingredients?
    I lift... Been lifting for 9 years heavy... I eat healthy, don't smoke, I play bball, football, work hard, and yes drink hard once a week and do elicit activities.. but am still in pretty dam perfect shape as far as girls think... but seriously I love craze but it can't be good for us... none of this stuff is 'good' for us... In the end enjoy life.. stop hating on others for no reason... and having said that don't diss people who mess around with partying yet have a normal pumping life style if you are going to take most pres now... if you are going to take things like craze, 1,3 etc... It's all pretty much in a way the same sorry to say... not saying its a bad thing at all just a funny thing I see on these forums...
    Ok haters come at me but I mean no harm bros.. just want people to grow up more and enjoy themselves life's short... enjoy craze for sure the stuff is awesome... but remember to keep lifting heavier and heavier!

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Daycrawler View Post
    Doesn't matter his past record.

    The cases with BSN were much more straight forward.
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    Past record can matter insofar as it can intimidate a defendant into settling quickly
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

    Past record can matter insofar as it can intimidate a defendant into settling quickly
    Especially when the individual already spent time in jail for selling misbranded products

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  15. From my testing the main compound in this formula appears to be (note i said appears) N-benzyl-2-phenylethylamine.

    I would not expect this compound to possess strong CNS stimulant activity but I am not entirely sure
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

    Past record can matter insofar as it can intimidate a defendant into settling quickly
    Not if they are confident they have done anything wrong.

    Issue with settling is the flood of lawsuits that come after.

    Imagine if USPLabs settled... So many greedy idiots would file class actions and use the previous cases as precedent...

    Thats all I was trying to say, but I understand your point..
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by Daycrawler View Post
    Not if they are confident they have done anything wrong.
    ..


    when it comes to the legal system (criminal and civil) being right doesnt keep you from getting screwed. It costs a lot of money to prove you are right. Thats why it is often the smart business (or personal if its criminal) decision to settle, even if you are 100 percent right
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by Daycrawler View Post
    Imagine if USPLabs settled... So many greedy idiots would file class actions and use the previous cases as precedent...

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    you would hope that they would change their practices after the settlement to avoid subsequent lawsuits
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

    when it comes to the legal system (criminal and civil) being right doesnt keep you from getting screwed. It costs a lot of money to prove you are right. Thats why it is often the smart business (or personal if its criminal) decision to settle, even if you are 100 percent right
    Well aware, been working at a law firm for a year. Business litigation, so i've seen first hand how much it costs. Even my work wasn't cheap...


    After a year, I think there is no right or wrong. Theres what you can prove, what you can make ppl believe and how much you're willing to spend
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

    you would hope that they would change their practices after the settlement to avoid subsequent lawsuits
    Lol, yeah true but i've yet to see this happen as most ppl think they can beat the system.
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  21. Hello everyone, just signed up today I have a msg i think is important. I started taking craze about 3 weeks ago and thought it worked pretty good and was happy with it till yesterday. yesterday was the day our company did its two year interval drug testing. I have never taken drugs in my life theres no chance anything would ever show up but yesterday I tested positive for meth amphetamines and it literally could not be from anything else. I'm not telling anyone i don't think they should take it or that its bad because i thought it worked great my work outs have been awesome! But if your like me and your at a job where drug testing is taking place and you care about your image and your job Iseriously recommend taking some time to research this. 80,000 dollars a year is no longer my income its now 0 dollars and a large company of some largely influential people are all under the assumption that I'm a F%[email protected] drug addict because most of them are in there 50's and they don't grasp the concept that a work out sup has the ability to trigger a bad piss test. so ya my life got severely [email protected]#%ed with thanks DS CRAZE!!!

    this job and drug testing was in canada so not sure how that affects those of you who are in the u.s. but if you work in canada don't let this happen to you.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by jobless View Post
    Hello everyone, just signed up today I have a msg i think is important. I started taking craze about 3 weeks ago and thought it worked pretty good and was happy with it till yesterday. yesterday was the day our company did its two year interval drug testing. I have never taken drugs in my life theres no chance anything would ever show up but yesterday I tested positive for meth amphetamines and it literally could not be from anything else. I'm not telling anyone i don't think they should take it or that its bad because i thought it worked great my work outs have been awesome! But if your like me and your at a job where drug testing is taking place and you care about your image and your job Iseriously recommend taking some time to research this. 80,000 dollars a year is no longer my income its now 0 dollars and a large company of some largely influential people are all under the assumption that I'm a F%[email protected] drug addict because most of them are in there 50's and they don't grasp the concept that a work out sup has the ability to trigger a bad piss test. so ya my life got severely [email protected]#%ed with thanks DS CRAZE!!!

    this job and drug testing was in canada so not sure how that affects those of you who are in the u.s. but if you work in canada don't let this happen to you.

    u should always disclose what supplements you take when you do a urinalysis

    relax

    have them do a secondary screening using gc/ms. if your meth positive is a false positive due to an ingredient in the product than u should be cleared. this happens all the time so it wont be a big deal
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by jobless
    Hello everyone, just signed up today I have a msg i think is important. I started taking craze about 3 weeks ago and thought it worked pretty good and was happy with it till yesterday. yesterday was the day our company did its two year interval drug testing. I have never taken drugs in my life theres no chance anything would ever show up but yesterday I tested positive for meth amphetamines and it literally could not be from anything else. I'm not telling anyone i don't think they should take it or that its bad because i thought it worked great my work outs have been awesome! But if your like me and your at a job where drug testing is taking place and you care about your image and your job Iseriously recommend taking some time to research this. 80,000 dollars a year is no longer my income its now 0 dollars and a large company of some largely influential people are all under the assumption that I'm a F%[email protected] drug addict because most of them are in there 50's and they don't grasp the concept that a work out sup has the ability to trigger a bad piss test. so ya my life got severely [email protected]#%ed with thanks DS CRAZE!!!

    this job and drug testing was in canada so not sure how that affects those of you who are in the u.s. but if you work in canada don't let this happen to you.
    This can't be real, i know if I popped I would raise a fuss and demand to be retested while submitting all the sups I'm taking. Lots of things will pop a test dude and people don't just get canned for it without a retest.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by demolition View Post
    This can't be real, i know if I popped I would raise a fuss and demand to be retested while submitting all the sups I'm taking. Lots of things will pop a test dude and people don't just get canned for it without a retest.
    Yeah this, most definitely. They'd do a retest. Also you'd tell them/ bring samples of any supplements.
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  25. I wonder why some people test positive and others dont. Ive taken two UAs on craze and was good both times.

    Hey jobless how long after you ingested craze did you take the UA?
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