I don't wanna feed you the "eat and train" line since you specifically asked people not to throw that around here, but hear me out bro.
Of the two products (I've tried both), I'm gonna tell you anabeta is superior across the boards. From what I understand it's slightly androgenic and has a very very mild hormonal effect which shouldn't be significant enough to cause significant suppression. Mostly, it's anabolic in some other non-hormonal manner that I, and the people I've asked, don't entirely understand.
The thing is, at your age, you haven't reached your natural peak. Even if your gains are at a plateau, you still probably have a lot of room to grow and make gains naturally, even if they don't come at the pace you want. If you start using a bunch of supps before that happens, you're limiting yourself.
Think about it like this. I can take an untrained person, shoot them up with tren and have them benching 280 and weighing 215 of solid muscle in a few months. Okay, awesome. Now, that person is eventually gonna plateau even with hardcore roids and their gains are gonna come as slow as any other person grinding away in the gym on the daily. OR I could take that same person, have them train for 2-3 years naturally and have them making those same gains naturally at a slower pace. Then, once they reach their natural peak, hit them with the same tren and BAM, they might be benching 405, weighing 255 with a six pack.
I hit the genetic jackpot but I've also been in the gym religiously since I was 14, scaring people out of the gym with my intensity. I've never touched juice and my gym is full of guys half my size who cant even bench what I power curl who are on everything but the kitchen sink. The only guys I've met who are bigger/stronger than me worked their asses off to reach their natty limit, then made the transition to the juice. Same concept goes for supps bro. Bodybuilding is a marathon.
