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  1. Strong nitpicking of arginine studies lol. Want me to post the vast majority that conflict that one study (in trained individuals, I might add)?

    Naringin won't enhance performance (again, check the majority of the studies and the methodology).

    Theobromine/Cocoa...eh. Nothing caffeine can't do really.

    I do agree with caffeine and GSE...good choices.

    Ribose won't enhance endurance.

    Electrolytes won't directly enhance endurance.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Strong nitpicking of arginine studies lol. Want me to post the vast majority that conflict that one study (in trained individuals, I might add)?

    Naringin won't enhance performance (again, check the majority of the studies and the methodology).

    Theobromine/Cocoa...eh. Nothing caffeine can't do really.

    I do agree with caffeine and GSE...good choices.

    Ribose won't enhance endurance.

    Electrolytes won't directly enhance endurance.
    well I don't want any agmatine,arginine,etc... Im not sure if im being clear perhaps lol.... agreed 200mg of sns caff works as good as it all!

    for a few reasons( non endurance related) im thinking electrolytes will be in there one way or another....
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  3. i remember talking about this with coop a while back.......i understand not wanting a "pump" product, but he made a solid argument for hemavol being one of the best endurance formula's available

    cit-mal for vasoregulatory function, norvaline to amplify the cit-mal, agmatine for CNOS expression......and then GMS works really well in an endurance situations

    going off of memory here, hopefully he can comment more on it.

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  4. all valid points,just other options I had in mind...

    gms is a decent option...
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by baldwanus View Post
    i remember talking about this with coop a while back.......i understand not wanting a "pump" product, but he made a solid argument for hemavol being one of the best endurance formula's available

    cit-mal for vasoregulatory function, norvaline to amplify the cit-mal, agmatine for CNOS expression......and then GMS works really well in an endurance situations

    going off of memory here, hopefully he can comment more on it.

    Yep, you nailed it pretty much. Hemavol and MAN Body Octane (stim-free) are two A+ endurance formulas.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by ScienceGuided View Post
    all valid points,just other options I had in mind...

    gms is a decent option...
    If you want a list, PM me .

  7. body octane stim free is pretty good,agreed.Taste is not bad at all either
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  8. If we are talking pure endurance and non stim. I would say beta alanine and Drive. The cordyceps really increase my endurance in a way other endurance based products haven't before. Plus the added test boosting and thyroid stimulation really helps with leaning out.
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  9. I don't mind stims here and there for this purpose,would prefer to leave it alone though.

    BA is def in the picture,playing around with doses and timing.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by ScienceGuided
    I don't mind stims here and there for this purpose,would prefer to leave it alone though.

    BA is def in the picture,playing around with doses and timing.
    In that case I would highly suggest Drive or cordygen. Both excellent non stim endurance products.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Jonbero View Post
    Hmm

    Ok I'm thinking

    BCAA's 10g (4-1-1 or 8-1-1)

    Beta-alanine 2500mg
    Creapure 5g
    Betaine Anhydrous 2500mg
    L-Carnitine-L-Tartrate 2g
    Taurine 2g
    Citrulline Malate 2g
    Def not a high leucine BCAA . At least valine (and maybe isoleucine) does great for booth energy and endurance. Leucine is overlooked. Otherwise it looks good.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonbero View Post
    Ribose
    Vitargo
    Magesium, Sodium and Potassium
    Ribose have vasodilatory properties .

  12. yea Ribose is a no go
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