any REAL vasodilator supps?
- 01-27-2012, 07:51 PM
I've been using arginine for 15 years as a precursor for gh release ..... I am new to body building and have a dumb question,,,,, I've read that getting "pump" serves no real purpose other than boosting the ego.....is there any truth to this,,, and if not, what physiological benefit does the "pump" serve?
- 01-27-2012, 07:53 PM
If there's any IF'ers out there...hemavol is a god send working out fasted. I almost am thinking about cutting out stims altogether and just taking 10 grams bcaas/1-2 scoops hemavol pre workout for now on. It's great!iForce Nutrition Representative
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- 01-27-2012, 07:56 PM
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01-27-2012, 07:59 PM
I agree! Hemavol is awesome!Originally Posted by th3futur3
01-27-2012, 08:21 PM
I'm going to be trying a sample packet of the MuscleTech NanoStim... We will c how good it is...Originally Posted by VaughnTrue
Not to mention for PWO I ate about 100g of carbs and 2 hours before that another 80g of carbs and about 4!!! recompadrol!!!!
We will see what happens
01-27-2012, 08:47 PM
01-27-2012, 08:48 PM
Explain?Originally Posted by StakedCop
Blood/Nutrients into muscle correct?
01-27-2012, 09:15 PM
01-27-2012, 09:27 PM
ThxOriginally Posted by mr.cooper69
01-28-2012, 04:08 PM
01-28-2012, 05:14 PM
01-28-2012, 06:03 PM
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What other noteworthy stims Coopz?Originally Posted by mr.cooper69
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01-29-2012, 09:58 PM
What about hemavol and focus factor together? Sound crazy?Originally Posted by runner_79
01-30-2012, 12:22 PM
DO people not understand how important insulin is for "pumps"???
01-30-2012, 12:29 PM
01-30-2012, 01:28 PM
01-30-2012, 01:35 PM
Eat red velvet cake before and after your work out?Originally Posted by VaughnTrue
01-30-2012, 02:02 PM
01-30-2012, 02:57 PM
If you are NOT suffering from insulin resistance and are NOT obese INSULIN will increase blood flow to skeletal muscle. The combination of insulin being spiked + exercising will increase blood flow, oxygen, and many other vital nutrients into muscle cells.
Leaner people are TYPICALLY more insulin sensitive and will respond well to an insulin spike pre-workout. Fatter people TYPICALLY are more insulin resistant and will NOT respond favorably to an insulin spike.
01-30-2012, 03:34 PM
01-30-2012, 04:34 PM
Don't forget nitrates. They're what make Fierce, fierce.
01-30-2012, 05:27 PM
Sodium nitrite is a powerful carcinogenic,, are the nitrates we're talking about dangerous as well???
01-30-2012, 05:33 PM
Icariin + agmatine + sns Arginine E2 Matrix = honestly the sickest pump and most vascular I have ever been
01-30-2012, 05:34 PM
X2 for drive and rpm... great comboOriginally Posted by runner_79
01-30-2012, 05:50 PM
01-30-2012, 07:52 PM
The article said it combines with amines to become carcinogenic.... wondering about glutamine ..... it also said to take with c&e, which is something to keep in mind .... sure hate to end up with cancer due to want of a pump,,, lolOriginally Posted by VaughnTrue
01-30-2012, 08:03 PM
^ wrong chemical. The concept is still the same, the reduction potential (and therefore activity) is greater.
The associated cation has an effect on the reactivity of the compound. In the case of supplements, it's attached to an amino acid, making it a weaker electrolyte. Sodium being a strong electrolyte leads to more free nitrates. THe nitrates break down and form free radicals and oxidize the crap out of everything. Most nitrates with a metal cation will discolor your skin as a result of the anion reacting with the cation, forming the metal oxide.
01-30-2012, 08:08 PM
Simple antioxidants should solve it pretty quickly
01-30-2012, 11:46 PM
Been looking at several articles on the subject,,, definitely not black and white with regards to whether nitrates are safe or not,,,, just goes to show, we definitely need to do our own research when deciding what to put in our bodies ..... I, for one, try to not take any chemical or supplement that doesn't have at least 10 years of research behind it.... most of what I take, I've been taking for over 20 years
01-30-2012, 11:52 PM
People ranted and raved over Nanostim, the company that makes it I'm not a huge fan of, but said hey I'll try it. Forked over my $30 and pumps are ok, it's like once u use something for a bit maybe the body becomes tolerant cuz I've used pump products before.
Vasotropin looks good but I don't always get a heavy carb mean in before my work out and white blood looks solid, something I def want to try... One good thing about nanostim is it does give u a great focus...
01-30-2012, 11:55 PM
01-30-2012, 11:58 PM
One time 2 just to see, but been using 4 tabs...Originally Posted by mr.cooper69
By itself? What should I take it with? How would u use it? Should I take 5/6 caps?
01-31-2012, 01:00 AM
01-31-2012, 01:12 AM
Not dose agmatine with 4 caps ofOriginally Posted by CDMMA
I have AI agmatine
01-31-2012, 11:52 AM
This pump talk is getting serious.
For great pumps without shelling out cash (nothing wrong with doing so just saying)
Super hydrate your cells with massive fluid intake prior
ALong w/ high fluid intake increase sodium
Along w/ high sodium increase glucose polymers
If you have hormonal assistance everything will just be icing on the cake.
Na+Cho+h2o+hormones = pumps from hell.
01-31-2012, 05:52 PM
yeah, but im trying to avoid sodium as much as possible. i love pumps, but i guess my main question had more to do with me trying to test my theory that i can help lower my BP by using a true vasodilator...
with that said, i try to stay away from sodium as much as possible (which is hard since i dont really have anywhere to keep food cold at school, so for lunch i have to go SOMEWHERE, and even plain grilled chicken sandwiches or subs from local or chain restaurants are usually LOADED with sodium)
01-31-2012, 06:44 PM
You can keep most cooked meats at room temperature throughout the day and eat it with no problem...Originally Posted by bill86
I keep cooked chicken breasts with me all day long in my backpack,,,, as long as it is fully cooked, I should never have an issue ...
Also, as I've said prior in this thread,,, I take arginine in lieu of blood pressure medicine,,, and it works,,, I had extremely high blood pressure 175/90 and above,,, was put on BP meds.... tried arginine and slowly raised my dose of arginine as I slowly lowered my BP meds until I had 120/70 with arginine alone!!!! I really don't care what science people want to spout or study they want to show me... the proof lies in the BP readings I do daily!!!
01-31-2012, 07:06 PM
oh yeah, im definitely gonna give it a shot. right now im experimenting with hawthorn berry and celery seed extract (among other things that are believed to have a more mild effect such as fish oil, magnesium, etc).... but i plan on buying agmatine and arginine to throw in with taurine and olive leaf extract.
basically just trying different things in 8 week cycles to find what works best for me. right now i see good readings and bad readings, no real consistency. but ive got a couple more of these 'trials' planned out... ill be doing the 'vasodilator' experiment next, so ill definitely take your advice and through in some arginine.
it may be inefficient, but i REALLY dont want to get on meds, so ive done a lot of research and have about 8 months of these little 'trials' planned out based on various approaches. doctor says i need to get on meds if it doesnt come down (still usually only in the 140's/80's), but im going to try EVERYTHING i can think of first (of course, cutting sodium, increase cardio, eat healthy, etc are a given throughout). the taurine and olive leaf extract are my staples for next 'cycle', i was just looking for some extra goodies. after that, im going to try bonito peptides and astaxanthin. after that, apple cider vinegar, beet root, icariin and citrulline all together in a ditch effort haha, but hopefully by then ill have found something that works consistently
01-31-2012, 07:11 PM
Water water water!!! Don't forget water,,, I carry a 1 quart water bottle with me everywhere and drink 6-8 a day,,, that's 1.5-2 gallons daily
02-01-2012, 01:40 AM
Nitrates DO lower blood pressure. Taking too much can be dangerous, or lethal.
When we're talking nitrates and safety, your average vegetarian eats 300-500mg nitrates a day from veggies, with some consuming well beyond that (damn vegans, lol). Yes, antioxidant intake is concomitantly higher, but like Vaughn said, simply antiox intake can quell any potential negative, and positives are there in spades. It may even be something those who eat few vegetables are lacking in their diet.
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