DIM estrogen blocker

[Austin118]

Anyone taken as a solo supplement and seen any benefits? I know people take erase as probably the best AI but just wanted to know how Dim Compares

 

[monstermash]

I tried it solo and din't get anything noticeable from it. Plus, it's not a "estro blocker" it's a estro modulator. Helps with the a proper natural balance of E to T but I think it's pretty useless from a body building standpoint. That's just my opinion though. I would go with Erase over this any day.

 

[RedwolfWV]

Yea dim doesn't block estrogen. It helps the body to metabolize the "bad" estrogens, leaving you with "healthy" estrogens.

 

[Bnatural]

Not a huge fan of DIM, it has some controversial reviews.
AX does have Advanced PCT still in the lineup
you are getting per cap
7-Methoxyflavone 50 mg
Cordyceps sinensis concentrate (Standardized to 20% Polysaccarides) 400mg
L-Histidine HCl 100mg
Grape Seed Extract (Standardized to 95% Procyanidolic oligomers) 50mg
7-methoxyflavone to help block estrogen, along with cordyceps to help boost your CV system and ATP for strength, histidine is an essential part to help increase recovery, and grape seed has a slew of benefits from help overall vitality to helping with increasing vascularity among other things.

 

[BBB]

I have used DIM for years. Those who say it has no value as a bodybuilding supp are mistaken. I is an estrogen channeler. It channels harmful E2 into weaker forms of estrogens. So you get the benefit of estrogen (need for bodybuilding) without the harmful issues associated with E2. It is often put in natty test boosters for this reason. Some say the it will reduce testosterone but it is the T/E ration that is important here. DIM and/or I3C will both improve your overall T/E ratio. I3C is highly recommended by Dr. Houser.

 

[Resolve]

Isn't it also an anti-androgen? I seem to recall that it is...

 

[monstermash]

I have used DIM for years. Those who say it has no value as a bodybuilding supp are mistaken. I is an estrogen channeler. It channels harmful E2 into weaker forms of estrogens. So you get the benefit of estrogen (need for bodybuilding) without the harmful issues associated with E2. It is often put in natty test boosters for this reason. Some say the it will reduce testosterone but it is the T/E ration that is important here. DIM and/or I3C will both improve your overall T/E ratio. I3C is highly recommended by Dr. Houser.

Read up a little more on it.
http://www.vrp.com/mens-health/dim-acts-as-a-potent-anti-androgen

Isn't it also an anti-androgen? I seem to recall that it is...

^^^ this.

 

[BBB]

Doc addressed this issue previously. The prostate is a unique organ and has a unique function in the body. Just because DIM hinders the proliferation of androgen-dependent human prostate cancer cells dosen't mean it will act the same way in other areas of the body.

 

[monstermash]

Doc addressed this issue previously. The prostate is a unique organ and has a unique function in the body. Just because DIM hinders the proliferation of androgen-dependent human prostate cancer cells dosen't mean it will act the same way in other areas of the body.

But it's untested if it does affect the other parts.

I highly respect Dr.H but it's merely his guess at this point. I'm just saying there's better options out there.

Also you're ignoring that it's proven to effect DHT in the prostate... anything that messes with DHT is no bueno for me. Had issues from past propecia use and DIM killed my sex drive just like Propecia. If it works for you, use it of course, but I highly doubt your going to get any ergogenic benefit from supplementing with DIM.

 

[BBB]

People often only look at total T. Free T is what is important. Dim has been shown to increase Free T by lowering SBGH.

Hormonal Balance for a Healthier Body:
Hormonal balance refers to the healthiest, most beneficial mix of all your hormonal messages. It is the key to achieving your peak physical conditioning and making your exercise count for a better body. The best hormonal balance can help you stay healthy, resist aging, and get top results from bodybuilding. Hormonal imbalance can result in inefficient metabolism, inappropriate cell growth, and the survival of abnormal cells that can lead to cancer. DIM contributes to a better metabolism in the most natural way possible by working with your own hormones and adjusting their action to avoid hormonal imbalance.

DIM for Men -- Activating Testosterone:
DIM helps to eliminate active estrogen from the male body by promoting its conversion into the "good" metabolites. These metabolites then free up testosterone by bumping it off the testosterone-binding proteins. The end result is a healthier balance of testosterone to estrogen and more free testosterone circulating in the body. In scientific studies, high levels of testosterone and low levels of estrogen have been linked to lean body mass, an efficient fat-burning metabolism, and low abdominal obesity. Other benefits from testosterone are improved mood, more interest in sex, and better physical conditioning.

Getting Strong and Lean with DIM:
Improving estrogen metabolism with DIM results in direct and indirect support for more efficient weight training. Use of DIM supplements provides the first estrogen-management system for men and women. "Good" estrogen metabolites directly support muscle well-being through their antioxidant action.

Since DIM promotes a more active metabolism of estrogen, unmetabolized estrogen levels fall and the 2-hydroxy-estrogens increase. The 2-hydroxy-estrogens possess the unique ability to displace testosterone from SHGB and set it free. Therefore, the combined effect of DIM to reduce unmetabolized estrogen and increase 2-hydroxy-estrogens can reduce elevations in SHGB and allow for more free testosterone. Both of these changes help maintain and restore a youthful balance between estrogen and free testosterone. This balance is a key to a healthy and active metabolism.

 

[Austin118]

People often only look at total T. Free T is what is important. Dim has been shown to increase Free T by lowering SBGH.

Hormonal Balance for a Healthier Body:
Hormonal balance refers to the healthiest, most beneficial mix of all your hormonal messages. It is the key to achieving your peak physical conditioning and making your exercise count for a better body. The best hormonal balance can help you stay healthy, resist aging, and get top results from bodybuilding. Hormonal imbalance can result in inefficient metabolism, inappropriate cell growth, and the survival of abnormal cells that can lead to cancer. DIM contributes to a better metabolism in the most natural way possible by working with your own hormones and adjusting their action to avoid hormonal imbalance.

DIM for Men -- Activating Testosterone:
DIM helps to eliminate active estrogen from the male body by promoting its conversion into the "good" metabolites. These metabolites then free up testosterone by bumping it off the testosterone-binding proteins. The end result is a healthier balance of testosterone to estrogen and more free testosterone circulating in the body. In scientific studies, high levels of testosterone and low levels of estrogen have been linked to lean body mass, an efficient fat-burning metabolism, and low abdominal obesity. Other benefits from testosterone are improved mood, more interest in sex, and better physical conditioning.

Getting Strong and Lean with DIM:
Improving estrogen metabolism with DIM results in direct and indirect support for more efficient weight training. Use of DIM supplements provides the first estrogen-management system for men and women. "Good" estrogen metabolites directly support muscle well-being through their antioxidant action.

Since DIM promotes a more active metabolism of estrogen, unmetabolized estrogen levels fall and the 2-hydroxy-estrogens increase. The 2-hydroxy-estrogens possess the unique ability to displace testosterone from SHGB and set it free. Therefore, the combined effect of DIM to reduce unmetabolized estrogen and increase 2-hydroxy-estrogens can reduce elevations in SHGB and allow for more free testosterone. Both of these changes help maintain and restore a youthful balance between estrogen and free testosterone. This balance is a key to a healthy and active metabolism.

Thanks for that, will defo give a try after reading this the positives seem
To outweight the cons

 

[monstermash]

People often only look at total T. Free T is what is important. Dim has been shown to increase Free T by lowering SBGH.

Hormonal Balance for a Healthier Body:
Hormonal balance refers to the healthiest, most beneficial mix of all your hormonal messages. It is the key to achieving your peak physical conditioning and making your exercise count for a better body. The best hormonal balance can help you stay healthy, resist aging, and get top results from bodybuilding. Hormonal imbalance can result in inefficient metabolism, inappropriate cell growth, and the survival of abnormal cells that can lead to cancer. DIM contributes to a better metabolism in the most natural way possible by working with your own hormones and adjusting their action to avoid hormonal imbalance.

DIM for Men -- Activating Testosterone:
DIM helps to eliminate active estrogen from the male body by promoting its conversion into the "good" metabolites. These metabolites then free up testosterone by bumping it off the testosterone-binding proteins. The end result is a healthier balance of testosterone to estrogen and more free testosterone circulating in the body. In scientific studies, high levels of testosterone and low levels of estrogen have been linked to lean body mass, an efficient fat-burning metabolism, and low abdominal obesity. Other benefits from testosterone are improved mood, more interest in sex, and better physical conditioning.

Getting Strong and Lean with DIM:
Improving estrogen metabolism with DIM results in direct and indirect support for more efficient weight training. Use of DIM supplements provides the first estrogen-management system for men and women. "Good" estrogen metabolites directly support muscle well-being through their antioxidant action.

Since DIM promotes a more active metabolism of estrogen, unmetabolized estrogen levels fall and the 2-hydroxy-estrogens increase. The 2-hydroxy-estrogens possess the unique ability to displace testosterone from SHGB and set it free. Therefore, the combined effect of DIM to reduce unmetabolized estrogen and increase 2-hydroxy-estrogens can reduce elevations in SHGB and allow for more free testosterone. Both of these changes help maintain and restore a youthful balance between estrogen and free testosterone. This balance is a key to a healthy and active metabolism.

Yeah sounds good on paper but so did Pink Magic...

 

[BBB]

Most of the supps you buy have very little if any human testing behind them. Most OTC AI's have only antidotal feedback and a few rat studies to support them. Products like DIM and Formestane have been tested in humans for years and have dozens of controlled studies on humans behind them. We know exactly what to expect. Products like Erase and Erase Pro may be great products but how do we know until someone spends the time and money to do bloods while using them properly. Even then it's just a single uncontrolled study.

 

[monstermash]

Most of the supps you buy have very little if any human testing behind them. Most OTC AI's have only antidotal feedback and a few rat studies to support them. Products like DIM and Formestane have been tested in humans for years and have dozens of controlled studies on humans behind them. We know exactly what to expect. Products like Erase and Erase Pro may be great products but how do we know until someone spends the time and money to do bloods while using them properly. Even then it's just a single uncontrolled study.

Just as you said, DIM has been around a very long time and if it was truly effective for BBing you'd see way more products with it and many more people using/recommending it. Any major product that had it has reformulated and ditched the DIM.

Dr.H himself didn't even list it in his top 10 supplements you can't live without thread. Beta-alanine and creatine are there... if DIM or I3C was really as good as that advertisement you pasted I'm sure it would have made it to his own list. Curcumin would make more sense for testosterone support IMO. Not saying it doesn't have some health benefits but from what I read it seems more useful for women during menopause.

 

[BBB]

Everyone is trying to find a nitch a reason to convice you that their products are better that bran x. There are a lot of proven products out their but if everyone just used what is proven there would be no uniqueness to their products. We would have a lot of product repetition and most of the supp companies would fall by the wayside.

 

[monstermash]

DIM had it's time and it didn't live up to the hype. I'm over it.

 

[BBB]

What hype? It lowers E2 bottom line no hype.

 

[Southland]

DIM had it's time and it didn't live up to the hype. I'm over it.

You've mentioned that you have taken it solo and didn't notice much from it which is a fair assessment. To each their own however I do believe it has its place in bodybuilding. We use it as an auxiliary type of ingredient in our Recourse product so maybe I am being partial but as BBB said there are a ton of positive human studies on DIM.

 

[BBB]

It's usedin a lot of products. I has solid research and a solid history behind it. I'm not sure what monstermash was expecting from DIM but although it has a number of health benefits, it's primary purpose is to lower E2 and improve your T/E ratio. DIM is basically what is contained in broccoli, couliflower and brussel sprouts. I don't think anyone doubts the health benefits of any of these foods.

 

[Bnatural]

Using this as my bookmark for a later comment on while I agree DIM is not worthy of a prize.
Doc H has spoken against this ingredient, so I find it interesting that he seems to have a positive view on this ingredient.
If only the DA forum didn't die, I could quote some of the discussions.

 

[BBB]

He apparently has changed his mind then. He helped develop Primal Male by MAN which used I3C for estro control.