Water gives me pumps: wtf?
- 12-21-2011, 04:29 PM
Water gives me pumps: wtf?
Ok I've been noticing this for some time now
I tried to research on this before asking because, first it seems uber-stupid,
second, I thought (and still do) I was missing one of those piece of knowledge every noob
Water gives me crazy pumps: what the heck?!?!
Well, I wouldn't exactly say "pump" more like a ridiculous vascularity,
my muscles don't puff up, my veins do.
This is most noticeable after a meal, but generally far from the workout.
Last 3 days I ran a very easily reproducible experiment by standing in front of the mirror
and gulp 500ml of plain water at once: the result is always the same and
it's pretty insane: veins all over my body literally *swell up* under my eyes!
Now someone please explain this to me?
Please note my daily carbs intake is 30gr, spread over 3 meals
just sayin' this in case a carb/water interaction was suspected,
I really don't think that's the case
- 12-21-2011, 04:42 PM
Same thing happens to me too. Curious about this. (Without dosing Glycergrow/gms)
- 12-21-2011, 05:25 PM
12-21-2011, 05:39 PM
12-21-2011, 05:56 PM
Happens to me as well, but the pump is even more so if I fast 24-40 hrs and then train fasted..must research!!!!
12-21-2011, 07:05 PM
12-21-2011, 07:18 PM
If I eat a lot of carbs and sodium with water I get vascular as heck. is this what is happening to you as well? Because I always just chalked it up to the high sodium.
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12-21-2011, 07:22 PM
12-21-2011, 07:32 PM
12-21-2011, 08:59 PM
Holy ****, I've been noticing the veins on my forearm blow up a ton after slamming my pre with 20+ fl oz of water and just assumed it was the pre. It would fade by the time I was at the gym though, its likely a mix of the two but now I totally want to experiment with this.
12-21-2011, 09:08 PM
I think in might be either gulcagon or gh causing the pumps but I need to find a study to help explain...
12-21-2011, 11:01 PM
couldn't it just be attributed to the fact that your blood may have more volume in it as the water levels are higher, are you dehydrated teh rest of the day?
possibly you are drinking a TON of water and the water is acting as a diuretic and making the subcutaneous water levels lower, thus showing more veins?
my guess is either the fact that you have more blood volume due to the water, and or the water you are intaking is keeping your subcutaneous levels uber low....
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12-22-2011, 02:41 AM
knowing it was an actual protocol, just by instinct since IF gave me great results. So I've been on it for lil less than 2 years.
First thing, my advice is do *not* follow my protocol, i'm a freak and it will most likely damage you.
With that said, my experience with it is that is killer for fat loss, but is also quite hard to get used to.
I also think that the results don't only come from the food timing but mostly from my calorie intake, super low carb vs my training
intensity/frequency. Once you have your macros right meal timing doesn't really make much difference.
What does make a difference (but is very subjective) is the fasted training, but again, something you have to get used to,
a "side benefit" of the warrior diet is that you learn to control appetite and it forges your willpower like nothing else.
it's more obvious for me close to meals and technically I wo in the morning, and start to eat late afternoon.
drinking (decaf tea or just plain water) helps with hunger like nothing else for me. So I would say no, I'm def not dehydrated the rest of the day.
mostly in the first part of the day of course, when I'm fasting, the closer I get to my meals and
the less I drink. Then the crazyness happens when I drink between meals, that's when I can really
stand in front of the mirror and actually see the veins swell up, and I'm vascular to begin with
but the difference is unbelievable
12-22-2011, 12:09 PM
I can relate---
I perform a VERY aggressive water -loading protocol 2 days before a contest. I actually RAMP UP my fluid intake, rather than taper it down. By Thursday & FRiday I am drinking 3.5-4.5 gallons-----ZERO CARBS----sodium is high thursday, but cut FRiday and my muscles are absolutely BLOWN.
IMO glucose is not primary for muscle cell volumization and simply "icing on the cake" if you will. WATER + SODIUM are crucial for muscle fullness. LIke I said even when sodium is reduced for 1 day (FRiday) I still look and stay very volumized. However vascularity may take a minor dive -----until I re-introdiuce sodium on saturday morning -------VEINS pop with vengeance!!! BP gets spiked, and blood volume goes way up, + adding glucose (glu+Na) = fully hydrated and vasodilated muscles. Very neat cosmetic effect.
12-22-2011, 12:34 PM
is exactly the "Skipload" advice for the water manipulation pre-contest.
Sodium and water, high sodium is perfectly ok, actually needed, when the water intake
is high. Just today I'm doing my refeed, I tweaked my training a bit, switched the refeed to
legs day and yesterday I incorporated a deletion workout (after my regular hypertrophy arms/abs session)
and just for the sake of it (and actually because I am considering to start competing) I've been following
the above protocol for water/sodium. Had ridiculous amount of water yesterday, today (refeed) I won't drink
much and tomorrow I'll start again.
Skip explained if your water intake is high for days and days, that one day that you cut it the body
will not retain it because "tricked" in thinking the water will keep coming (as the past days)
well, he explains this much better than I do but lol I agree with you.
12-22-2011, 01:57 PM
12-22-2011, 05:09 PM
---Your new avatar ---Dry and peeled man, great job. Add some hormones, add some mass ----compete.
12-22-2011, 05:51 PM
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12-23-2011, 12:02 AM
One the original topic. If u follow the digestive system you can see that for water to be excreted it must first enter the bloodstream and then be filtered by the kidneys and into the ureters/bladder. This means after you drink water your blood volume will increase until your kidneys catch up. Higher blood volume = more distending pressure on the vascular system so you look veiny. When you drink really high amounts of water, your body will overcompensate and you will put in a slightly dehydrated state. After pissing your brains out you may look leaner.
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12-23-2011, 02:26 AM
Right, when sodium is HIGH ---aldosterone is LOW, When water is HIGH----vasopressin (ADH) is LOW.
Manipulation is KEY in looking abnormally "freaky."
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12-23-2011, 07:26 PM
Ok I'm gonna help you guys out here by plagiarizing from a book I have called "Power Eating"- great book but I follow a different diet. This is part of the section on water,
"Muscle Strength and Control
Ever wonder why some days you're so pooped you can't pump iron?. One reason may be dehydration. To move your muscles, you need water. Of all the places in the body, water is found in highest concentrations in metabolically active tissues such as muscle and is found in lowest concentrations in relatively inactive tissues such as fat, skin, and some parts of bone. Muscles are controlled by nerves. The electrical stimulation of nerves and contraction of muscles occur as a result of the exchange of electrolyte minerals dissolved in water(sodium, potassium, calcium, chloride, and magnesium) across the nerve and muscle cell membranes.
If you're low on water or electrolytes, muscle strength and control are weakened. A water deficit of just 2 to 4 percent of your body weight can cut your strength-training workout by as much as 21 percent--and you aerobic power by a whopping 48 percent. Your body's thirst mechanism kicks in when you're already dehydrated. To prevent dehydration, you must get yourself on a scheduled plan to drink often throughout the day.(See the drinking schedule on page 104.)
If gaining muscle is your goal, you should care about cell volumization, or the hydration state of your muscle cells. In a well-hydrated muscle cell, protein synthesis is stimulated and protein breakdown is decreased. On the other hand, dehydration of muscle cells promotes protein breakdown and inhibits protein synthesis. Cell volume has also been shown to influence genetic expression, enzyme and hormone activity, and metabolism."
--Pages 99-100 "Power Eating" by Susan Kleiner, PhD, RD
12-23-2011, 07:26 PM
I wasn't referring to PP by any stretch, just to be clear.
You ask for labs for any product that you want to take/try?
Then probably you should do it for any food you pick up at the store as well
12-23-2011, 07:28 PM
I typed that all out, not a copy and paste job. Was a pain in the behind. I hope it helps you guys out.
12-23-2011, 07:30 PM
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