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    Uniliver / Mad Cow Disease


    I`ve read a few questions in the past as to whether liver tabs can cause mad cow disease.
    The response has usually led to flaming or a flat no.
    I recall YJ`s stating that Uniliver cannot cause mad cow disease.
    Anway, I just read this in the Supps section `on the other board`:

    Hey guys, i know a lot of guys on here are really smart and know what they are talking about but i just have a little warning. My father is an ER physician and the other day he came home from work and said that someone came in with really bad flu symptoms and it was later determined he had mad cow disease. They asked him if he had eaten liver or taken liver supplements in the past few weeks and said that he was a BB and took Universal's UniLiver tabs regularly. The toxicity screens later determined that he contracted this disease from the tabs....so i stopped taking mine, any else heard anything like this b4?

    If this is true, it explains a lot about YJ.

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    well I suppose I'd try my damndest to make a case out of that and sue the **** out of Universal.. interesting to hear this
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    If this is true I would imagine there would be more than 1 person who has caught mad cow disease from the liver tabs.
    This would mean one big class suit against whichever company produced the tabs.
    I hope it`s not true because so many of us use them.
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    The guy actually did get mad cow disease from the liver tabs???? That is not good news at all.
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    Well first off- Bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) or Variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease isnt characterized by flu like symptoms. Humans who develope this disease will slowly lose the ability to think and to move properly and will suffer from memory loss and progressive brain damage until they can no longer see, speak or feed themselves, you know, things of that nature. No where that I did research did they say it was characterized by a high temperature, cold sweats or anything related to 'flu like' symptoms.

    The USDA provides a rather lengthy list of countries who's cattle could potentially have BSE or who have been proven to have BSE, Argentina was no where on the list. An incubation period of several months or years is needed to see BSE, this kid didnt eat 18 liver tabs, get sick the next morning, go to the hospital and come down with Mad Cow Disease. This is some kid playing a joke to piss everyone off or be a typical child. First off, the doctor isnt going to say "have you been eating cattle liver?" **** people. This guy's story has too many holes in it. Theres hundreds of thousands of people who use liver tabs, none of which have reports degeneration of the brain.

    Ok, so say we give this kid the benefit of the doubt, he has this special cow from Argentina, the only one who had mad cow disease, had a doctor who graduated from community college and asked specifically if he's been eating any Universal Nutritions Uni-Liver or cow liver and actually called the disease by its layman's terms and not medical terms.... ok, we'll give him that.....

    Now Im no doctor but I would assume a toxicity screen takes place by screening the blood for toxic substances, well to catch BSE, one would have to be done on the brain and extra cellular fluid.

    From the USDA website:

    "No cases of BSE have been confirmed in the U.S.A. with 12 years of active surveillance."

    Wow, this guy is the very first and he got them from Universal's Uni-Liver

    Mad Cow disease is obtained from glandular secretions from cattle or other dead animal's carcasses. Now I ask you this.. Do you think the US doesnt observe and test forgein meats before it enters the country? Uni-liver is formulated and manufactured in NJ, USA. If you dont think they test meats, then why have no outbreaks of BSE occured in the US?

    If he's talking about Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD), then hes a very lucky individual, since it occurs in exactly 1 in every 1 million people.

    Im researching for more info. now, but Im not sure if BSE or CJD can with-stand the flash freezing process uni-liver goes through.

    This is somebody under a new name they created ( Like what 14 posts?) to rain on everyone's parade since Uni-Liver is catching on..... very lame. At least the story could have been more creative and he could have studies the disease a little closer.
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    aw, well ****... wasn't real... there goes my case... bitch been STUNG ow ow LOL
    nice info YJ
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    <H1 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal">&nbsp;</H1>


    <H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal">Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease</H2>


    <P class=MsoBodyText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><SPAN style="mso-tab-count: 1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp;&nbsp; </SPAN>The mind becomes demented, the muscles begin to lose control of their functions, and neurological breakdown occurs. Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease is a fatal disease that is rare and has no cure. Life as this person knows it begins to come to an end. CJD is an infectious disease that is not very common in surgical patients. When it does rear its head in the life of that person and the surgical team taking care of them great care and reproach must be maintained to ensure that it is not spread elsewhere. Greater patient care must be asserted so that the disease is not spread beyond the patient to others who are at risk to its exposure. Life must be monitored so it maybe maintained for others who are at risk to this life changing disease.


    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><SPAN style="mso-tab-count: 1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp;&nbsp; </SPAN>Two German psychiatrists Hans Gerhard Creutzfeldt and Alfons Maria Jakob discovered Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease in the early 20<SUP>th</SUP> century. CJD is classified as a central nervous system disease. Its etiology is unidentified at this time, but it is believed to be a slow acting virus. The cause of the infection has been determined but is yet to be thoroughly separated by scientists. Donors who have received implants from infected CJD patients have developed the disease as well. It is therefore very susceptible to transfer from one patient to another. There is no available treatment to remedy the disease at this moment.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>The trek of this disease is fatal to the one infected with it (Taber, 1993).<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o></SPAN>


    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><SPAN style="mso-tab-count: 1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp;&nbsp; </SPAN>It has been seen that initially CJD has no inflammatory reaction in the brain but it does without a doubt kill brain cells. It is thought CJD is linked to genetic factors that make it susceptible to the development of irregular proteins in the brain. The disease can be in hiding for up to three decades before it comes to the surface. After it does become <o></o></SPAN>


    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">known it acts quickly and leads to coma and death within two years of developing its first symptoms. The disease is diagnosed by the noticed change of a electroencephalogram. A brain biopsy is also made for protein prion gathering and the destruction of neurons. Autopsies have shown that thirteen percent of patients who had Alzheimerís disease also carried CJD (Fortunato, 2000).<o></o></SPAN>


    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><SPAN style="mso-tab-count: 1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp;&nbsp; </SPAN>CJD is resistant to many types of sterilization. It is known to withstand destruction by heat, chemicals, radiation, freezing, drying, and organic detergents. The best way to sterilize items that have come into contact with the disease is steam sterilization. One hour in a gravity sterilizer at 274 degrees Fahrenheit or 18 minutes in a prevacuum sterilizer at 274 degrees Fahrenheit. Unfortunately, tissue cannot be sterilized even with the use of formalin (Fortunato, 2000).<o></o></SPAN>


    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><SPAN style="mso-tab-count: 1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp;&nbsp; </SPAN>To dispose of waste infected with the disease one should follow the rules for blood-borne pathogens. These rules should be strictly adhered to by all personnel associated with contact to the disease. Suction canisters and cleaning agents should not be disposed of in the sewer system. Rules set by the facility in which the patient is located should be followed. The policies and procedures set by the institution are to be followed closely. Statistics show that over eighty percent of CJD cases have an unexplained origin. Human tissue and bodily fluid are carriers of the disease. Unfortunately, there is no treatment or cure if one is to come infected with the disease (Fortunato, 2000).<o></o></SPAN>


    <P class=MsoBodyText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><SPAN style="mso-tab-count: 1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp;&nbsp; </SPAN>This has been a brief introduction to the disease. Its purpose was to provide a brief insight into the disease before delving into the components that make up the disease. The presentation of this information was for one to understand a little of the disease before I


    <P class=MsoBodyText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal">moved on to a in depth discussion. What will be presented now will touch on the components that make up the disease and its processes with much more detail. These components include but are not limited to causes and risks, transmission, prevention, symptoms, treatment, and prognosis.


    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><SPAN style="mso-tab-count: 1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp;&nbsp; </SPAN>Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease is defined as being an organic brain syndrome. It is<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>believed to be caused by a virus. The rate of infection is about one in a million people. It makes it one of the most rarest of all infectious diseases. CJD is found in persons ranging in age from 20 to the late 60ís. It comes to surface mainly in the middle part of the patientís lifetime. The median age for persons being afflicted with the disease are between 57 and 62. This is when the symptoms usually first appear (Zerr, 2000).<o></o></SPAN>


    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><SPAN style="mso-tab-count: 1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp;&nbsp; </SPAN>Cases show that teenagers who received thyroid hormone derived from cadavers were even getting the disease. Despite the fact that the measures were taken to kill all bacteria and viruses that could be present in the pituitary hormone. This gave belief as to how these young patients were developing the disease. The hormone was soon replaced with a synthetic hormone and contamination no longer became an issue for these patients. Subjects of the disease who were recipients of transplants from diseased hosts received the disease as well. Patients who received implants from those who had the disease were diagnosed as having CJD. A major example of these cases came from cornea implants. CJD is believed to be<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>an inherited trait. Family members who have had this disorder or similar neurological disorders make this class of patientsí risk to the disease much higher. Another primary developer of the disease is the health care worker. Those who work in immediate contact to infected tissue are very susceptible to the disease. A surgeon or <o></o></SPAN>


    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">other surgical team member is put at undue risk for the disease. Extreme care should be taken to ensure the disease is not passed on. The last major cause of the disease is other diseases themselves. Diseases including kuru, srapie, and bovine spongiform encephalitis have all been linked to as a causative agent of CJD (Yahoo, 2001)<o></o></SPAN>


    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><SPAN style="mso-tab-count: 1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp;&nbsp; </SPAN>There are stets for prevention of CJD. A few were discussed briefly in the opening. But, there are other steps that can be taken in addition to those. Neurological examinations help to dwindle the risk of infection to others. Along with the proper cleaning and disposal of items that may contain the presence of the disease lessened chances do arise. A careful examination of the patientís medical history is important to seeing if the disease is present. These few guidelines can help ensure that the passage of the disease does not occur (WebMD, 1999).<o></o></SPAN>


    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><SPAN style="mso-tab-count: 1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp;&nbsp; </SPAN>There are several symptoms that do exist for CJD. The include the following ones a change in personality occurs. Hallucinations become prevalent in the patient. They begin to have muscle spasms and develop tightness in these muscles as well. The also begin to develop signs of nervousness and feel jumpy. They also begin to walk differently. CJD patients begin to lose basic control of their motor functions. Their speech will become impaired. They will also have their ability to enunciate diminish. Patients also develop the tendency to become sleepier. Dementia becomes evident after some time has passed as well. The worsening of their sight begins to develop over time. The patients also begin to suffer memory loss and feelings of anxiety. All these symptoms can be linked to CJD (Yahoo, 2001).<o></o></SPAN>


    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><SPAN style="mso-tab-count: 1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp;&nbsp; </SPAN>Diagnosis for CJD is a relatively hard one to come by until the symptoms become present. There is no early screening available to catch the disease. As mentioned before diagnosis can be made by brain biopsy or electroencephalogram. Another measure to view the existence of CJD in a patient is by the use of<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>imaging by machines. CAT scans are used to view the brain to see if the disease is present in the brain. In addition the use of MRI technology can be used as well to see if CJD has become evident in a patient. These both give three-dimensional pictures of the brain to see if the disease could possibly be there (Zerr, 2000).<o></o></SPAN>


    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><SPAN style="mso-tab-count: 1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp;&nbsp; </SPAN>There is no present cure available for Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease. There are a few treatments available to help lessen the symptoms of CJD. Medication is prescribed to help keep the patientís emotional balance in line. Another person who can take care of one infected with CJD is highly recommended. These patients often need monitoring and assistance. Counseling services made be used as well to help family members who have a loved one infected with CJD. Counseling may be needed for the patient as well. After these steps have been taken it is strongly recommended that advanced directives and power of attorney be set up by the patient be set up early on to help with any decisions that may come to be after the disease has finally come full circle (WebMD, 1999).<o></o></SPAN>


    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><SPAN style="mso-tab-count: 1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp;&nbsp; </SPAN>The prognosis for patients infected with CJD is grim. They develop complete dementia within six months. The disease itself usually is fatal within seven months of its onset. A few patients have managed to live as long as one or two years. Death usually comes in the form of an infection, respiratory failure, or by heart failure. Complications <o></o></SPAN>


    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">of the disease also include the loss to care for themselves, the ability to interact with others, or side effects from their medication (Yahoo, 2001).<o></o></SPAN>


    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><SPAN style="mso-tab-count: 1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp;&nbsp; </SPAN>As seen by the research presented CJD is a very debilitating and life changing disease. It is a very important infection control problem if<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>persons come into contact with the disease. Anyone who becomes subject to its wrath is in for the worse. CJD is not an emergency disorder. It is however a disease that is diagnosable for those inflicted with it. It can be caught very early stages if steps are taken by the patient and its doctor. This can lead to better control of symptoms and the patient. Always remember the patient is the very first priority the realm of healthcare. Steps must always be maintained to ensure a better life for each one inflicted with an ailment. <o></o></SPAN>


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    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 0.5in; LINE-HEIGHT: 200%"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"> [Online]. Available: <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">http://my.webmd.com/content/asset/ad...-jacob_disease</SPAN> [February 21, 2001].<o></o></SPAN>


    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 0.5in; LINE-HEIGHT: 200%"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"> [Online]. Available: <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">http://health.yahoo.com/health/disea...t-jakobdisease</SPAN> [February 18, 2001].<o></o></SPAN>


    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 0.5in; LINE-HEIGHT: 200%"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">Fortunato, N. H. (2000). Berry &amp; Kohnís Operating Room Technique. St. Louis, MS: Mosby.<o></o></SPAN>


    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 200%"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><SPAN style="mso-tab-count: 1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp;&nbsp; </SPAN>Thomas, C. L. (Ed.). Taberís Encyclopedic Medical Dictionary. Philadelphia: F. A. Davis Company.<o></o></SPAN>


    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 200%"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><SPAN style="mso-tab-count: 1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp;&nbsp; </SPAN>Zerr, D. (February 18, 2000). Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease [Online]. Available: <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">http://health.discovery.com/diseasesandcomd/encycopedia/300.html</SPAN> (February 18, 2000).</SPAN>


    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 200%"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">This is a paper I wrote a while back on the diseae uncorrected of course Hope this helps.</SPAN>
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    Alot of the original GH users (harvested from cadavers) came down with CJD. I also hear that it is extremely common with the native people of Borneo, who practice a type of cannibalism where the brain of an enemy is eaten.
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    I have a question about liver tabs, not pertaining to BSE. I have read that liver tabs can cause weight gain and water retention, has anyone heard or experienced this?
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    Originally posted by YellowJacket
    This is somebody under a new name they created ( Like what 14 posts?) to rain on everyone's parade since Uni-Liver is catching on..... very lame. At least the story could have been more creative and he could have studies the disease a little closer.
    it was probably bpp after yj exposed him...
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    good reasoning/post YJ... also to add... i was thinking more about the process to make liver tabs. What exactly do they do to the liver when making liver tabs? they just freeze them or what. i know supplements industries are under heavy watch and have to show reports and studies on many of their products .. so wouldnt they make sure the product was sterolized properly and/or the process in creating liver tabs (the form we take) kill the bacteria that causes the disease ?

    i dont know if this is true or not, but something i wondered. im sure YJ can give us more info.
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    About water retention- Guys have reported retaining water while on liver tabs, b-boy comes to mind, Ive never experiences and Im not sure yet what the psysiological reasoning behind that is, other than maybe a bloated feeling...


    Ralph- First the meat is separated, all the fat and connective tissue is removed. Then Im sure its cleaned and processes in some manner Im not really sure what its called, I know as soon as its cleaned, its flas frozen at -18 degrees C. Then Im sure (either before or after freezing, I would assume before) the meat is tested for toxicity and viruses, etc (mad cow disease ) and then its cut into pieces, gelled and packaged. This is certainly a brief summary but you get the idea.
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    Holy ****.....come on guys, Im kind of disappointed you even believed this kid.... anyone search his other 4 posts? No? Here they are for you:

    Orignally posted by the tool box
    some guy at the gym today offered to sell me a cycle of D-BOMB not D-Bol but D-BOMB, is this just another slang term for dianbol or is it a PH?!
    ive gained about 6 pounds so far, not that much so i need some advice, breakfast is easy to eat and so is lunch but getting in that extra meal at skool is really hard.....i need some advice on what to eat at skool

    Ok, im sort of new to creatine, anywayz my football coach told me that if i take creatine, after i come off of it(stop taking it), wut i gained ill either piss out or just turn to fat, is there any truth to that?


    Hmm....nice credibility there. This is some little kid ****ing around to be funny. Whew. What a ****hole.
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    yeah i knew it was bs from the start. he right off the bat named Uni-Liver.
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    Yea, which gave off the distinct tool shed odor.
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    Originally posted by YellowJacket
    Hmm....nice credibility there. This is some little kid ****ing around to be funny. Whew. What a ****hole.
    LOL... come on, give him some credit. Maybe he's just a complete moron.

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    Originally posted by shpongled


    LOL... come on, give him some credit. Maybe he's just a complete moron.

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    True. It is bodybuilding.com.
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    Originally posted by shpongled


    LOL... come on, give him some credit. Maybe he's just a complete moron.

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    LMAO, yeah that sounds about right David After about the first paragraph this was just absurd. That Argentinian flash frozen beef I'll tell ya, damn near kill ya every time!
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