Natty Stack (Erase, AnaBeta, Test-Boosters) Please Critique!
- 11-06-2011, 08:10 PM
Natty Stack (Erase, AnaBeta, Test-Boosters) Please Critique!
Please, provide some feedback/criticism/tweaks to this stack. I have listed my current standing, goals, and concerns for this stack. Thank you, to everyone who reads and provides some level of a response.
by PES (Dosing at 1 cap per day, then assessing after week 1 or 2)
1000 by Now Foods (Dosing at 3 tabs per day--Breakfast, PWO, Dinner)
by Now Foods (Dosing 1 Gram PWO, then assessing after week 1)
by PES (Dosing at 4 caps per day--1 Breakfast, 2 PWO, 1 Dinner)
Cissus by Primaforce (Dosing at 6 caps/3g per day--3 caps at breakfast, 3 caps PWO)
L-Dopa by Now Foods (Dosing at 2 caps/120mg upon waking)
I am roughly 2 months off of my M-Drol/Tren 4 week cycle and want to go for a lean bulk. I am sitting around 178 and would like to go for a lean bulk without using any PH's since me and the lady are going away for the weekend sometime this month, and I don't want any shutdown.
- Gain between 10-15lb within an 8 week period (Note that I have bulked to 198 in the past with relative ease; I feel confident that without supps I could bulk up 10lbs in 8 weeks)
- Up libido
- Improvements in strength
- Test-Boosters losing their effects
- AI's drying out joints too much
This will actually be my first natty stack. I have always ran PH cycles, but as mentioned, I do not want to experience any shutdown. Also, I think it would be good to assess my response to natty stacks. If this proves to be a success, I would much rather run natty stacks more often and tax my body a bit less. I am young but I still don't want to thrash my body.
- 11-06-2011, 08:23 PM
First off you're not going to get 10-15 lean lbs within that 8 week time span. Probably closer to 5 maybe, even with natty stacks the one you set forth could use some tweaking. With the erase you'll likely dry out anyways so you may appear leaner, maybe 2 caps a day after your trial period. Anabeta looks dosed fine, Tribulus I wouldn't use and the Fenugreek I wouldn't either unless it was standardized for the right fenusides it won't do much. Cissus is good but to get some anabolic effect from it that I'm thinking you're seeking you would need to aim higher like 10-15G of Cissus a day and its not cost effective. With the extra dollars saved from Trib/Fenu buy a GDA and that should help keep fat gain lower.
- 11-06-2011, 08:28 PM
Dodge, thanks for the input! I should edit that I am an ex-sprinter still gaining muscles relatively quickly. I'm not genetic specimen, I'm just easily bulking from the 150's a couple months back. Back in 2007 when I suffered a PCL injury, I bulked up from the mid-160's to 198 with relative ease, so I know that the potential is there. Regardless, thank you again for the feedback
11-06-2011, 09:45 PM
11-06-2011, 10:51 PM
11-07-2011, 12:57 AM
As for your concerns, if you get to dry just lower your Erase dose.
Here are some opinions I have
1) Drop Tribulus 1000 by Now Foods (Dosing at 3 tabs per day--Breakfast, PWO, Dinner)
2) Drop Fenugreek by Now Foods (Dosing 1 Gram PWO, then assessing after week 1)
If you want real fenugreek extract for bodybuilding purposes, look into Titanium
Also, the L-Dopa is good, but if you went with something like EndoSurge you can L-Dopa + Nettle extract all in one at high doses
11-07-2011, 01:17 AM
Nattydisaster, what is your opinion between Titanium (4 caps/day) and Fenugreek (at 3g/day) when it comes to libido? I was a bit skiddish about Titanium on top of Erase because of the I3C. I don't want to suppress estro so much that it bugs libido.
I've never tried Trib before, and it's so cheap, that I was hoping I might be one of the few people who actually responds to it lol. I like the endosurge idea
11-07-2011, 01:28 AM
I3C wont do much to your estrogen, it is not an AI like Erase. No worries there.
Regular fenugreek is not extracted for anything driven towards bodybuilding/libido. You need it to be extracted for Testofen or 50% fenusides like Titanium is. Not all extracts are created equal.
Trib is cheap for sure...cant hurt lol, but it is not a test booster by any means. One of those old folk tales
11-07-2011, 01:33 AM
You will love the addition of TitaniumXL, not only the Fenugreek, but the LCLT is fantastic as well.
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11-07-2011, 01:34 AM
11-07-2011, 11:58 AM
11-07-2011, 11:59 AM
11-07-2011, 01:15 PM
11-07-2011, 02:01 PM
Im on the 50 yard line on my lean bulk to 225... Its a rugged experience. Up to 210-211...Originally Posted by touchdownthirty
I might add in T-Force by Onega. Its $30 for two bottles and it nearly double my free test @ 2.5g per day.(5 caps) but at 4 caps daily added into your stack it would be epic. Its a huge libido boost also.
I strongly advise its use.
11-08-2011, 01:49 AM
11-08-2011, 02:10 AM
11-08-2011, 10:26 AM
I would drop the Test Boosters and just snag a DAA tub or supp by someone.
I've been using Anabeta + Erase + DAA for PCT and have kept constant gains as if I were still on cycle.
Androhard + Andromass Log
11-08-2011, 10:46 AM
anabtea-D-aspartic acid-erase-tropinol(works for me)-extra $$ goes to food
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11-08-2011, 12:00 PM
but use the L-dopa pre bed, it will boost GH levels. Use the anabeta 1 cap 1st thing am, 1 cap pre WO, 1 cap post WO, 1 cap pre bed.
Add some DAA as well and a product like Bridge. Both will send T levels through the roof and have lots of other anabolic herbs + ingredients.
My stack for you would be:
1-2 caps erase
3 caps Bridge
3 caps L-dopa
4 caps anabeta
11-08-2011, 10:47 PM
I absolutely wish I could take DAA. I tried bulk DAA through SNS and it gave me HORRIBLE gastro problems. It honestly felt like my intestines were going to explode--horrible lol.
I am going to replace the Fenugreek and Trib with Titanium, dosed at 4caps/day.
Regarding the big goals in gains: my body tends to sit around 185 when I am not sprinting (former college sprinter), so with me weighing right under 180, a 185-188 body weight feels very doable within an 8 week time frame. I guess summed up, I feel confident in getting to the 10lb gain without supps, but I would like an extra boost and see if I can hit the 15lb mark. Nonetheless, I can most definitely understand that a 10-15lb gain off of a natty stack would sound absurd lol
11-08-2011, 10:54 PM
Do you find, or have you heard of, a stimulant-like effect of l-dopa? I know lots of GH releasing nighttime products have l-dopa extracts in them, but it wasn't until recently that I took notice of different post on AM with people saying to steer clear of it in the afternoons. I, personally, have never dosed it before bed, so I can't attest to either.
I was thinking about picking up a TON of 1-Carboxy this NP finally has it back in stock , and doing that before bed. Either that or just some GABA. I am somewhat prone to bad sleep, so I am just a bit cautious when it comes to taking supps that might keep me up. Although *enter pun* I will be taking the l-dopa to keep me "up" during my UPcoming weekend with the lady =X
11-08-2011, 10:58 PM
It should fill you out though pretty quick, throw some creatine in there and you'll hit your goals easily lol, love me some MCC
11-09-2011, 01:05 AM
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