Clomifen vs. Test Booster

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What effect would the usage of 25mg clomifen taken for 6 weeks (not for PCT!) have on test levels, strength and lean body mass compared to common test boosters?
 
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I'd stick to a natty test stack, it's not worth taking a serm unless you really need it imo.
 

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serm's are toxic, not everyone really knows that. and while they are great at re starting lh and fsh levels they also raise estrogen. They do block estrogen while being on them but once you come off you are left with higher estrogen serum levels leading to gyno for some people(estrogen rebound, estrogen bounce back,etc).

For a stand alone cycle natural t boosters are way better to use. SERM's are only good for bringing back T levels when extremely shut down (after a cycle)


Look into HCGenerate of other high quality T boosters.
 
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CC is a pretty strong testosterone-enhancing agent- probably more effacious than most testosterone boosters on the market, but less so than a good prohormone or anabolic. The suckey thing is that clomid does tend to have some depressive effects on a lot of people:

J Sex Med. 2010 Jan;7(1 Pt 1):269-76.
Clomiphene citrate and testosterone gel replacement therapy for male hypogonadism: efficacy and treatment cost.
Taylor F, Levine L.
SourceRush University Medical Center-Department of Urology, Chicago, IL, USA.

Abstract
INTRODUCTION: The efficacy of oral clomiphene citrate (CC) in the treatment of male hypogonadism and male infertility (MI) with low serum testosterone and normal gonadotropin levels has been reported.

AIM: The aim of this article is to evaluate CC and testosterone gel replacement therapy (TGRT) with regard to biochemical and clinical efficacy and cost.

MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: The main outcome measures were change in serum testosterone with CC and TGRT therapy, and change in the androgen deficiency in aging male (ADAM) questionnaire scores with CC therapy.

METHODS: Men receiving CC or TGRT with either Androgel 1% or Testim 1% for hypogonadism (defined as testosterone < 300 ng/mL) or MI were included. Serum values were collected 1-2 months after treatment initiation and semi-annually thereafter. Retrospective data collection was performed via chart review. Subjective follow up of patients receiving CC was performed via telephone interview using the ADAM questionnaire.

RESULTS: A hundred and four men (65 CC and 39 TGRT) were identified who began CC (50 mg every other day) or TGRT (5 g). Average age (years) was 42(CC) vs. 57 (TGRT). Average follow up was 23 months (CC, range 8-40 months) vs. 46 months (TGRT, range 6-149 months). Average posttreatment testosterone was 573 ng/dL in the CC group and 553 ng/dL in the TGRT group (P value < 0.001). The monthly cost of Testim 1% (5 gm daily) is $270, Androgel 1% (5 gm daily) is $265, and CC (50 mg every other day) is $83. Among CC patients, the average pretreatment ADAM score was 4.9 vs. 2.1 at follow up (P < 0.05). Average pretreatment ADAM sexual function domain score was 0.76 vs. 0.23 at follow up (P < 0.05). There were no adverse events reported.

CONCLUSION: CC represents a treatment option for men with hypogonadism, demonstrating biochemical and clinical efficacy with few side effects and lower cost as compared with TGRT.
 

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i was just curious. never thought of replacing proven natty test booster stacks with CC
 
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I would be careful- I am definitely not a fan of clomid- the depressive effects are very real....
 

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