Androhard vs Androlean PP

[R1balla]

Speaking strictly results, if a person had the same diet/training on a cycle of AH, then took an 8 week break, then with same diet/training ran AL, what difference can that person expect in means of gains/body comp?

 

[BigBlackGuy]

Speaking strictly results, if a person had the same diet/training on a cycle of AH, then took an 8 week break, then with same diet/training ran AL, what difference can that person expect in means of gains/body comp?

AH is going to be much better if you're at a lower body fat%. AL, acting as a strong anti-catabolic, will be better when you're at a higher BF% and can lose weight fast (ie if you're 20% bf you can lose 4-5 pounds in a week... if you're at 10% you can't without it being lean mass).

 

[JudgementDay]

I like Androhard a lot, just finished 4 weeks, running it for 8 weeks. I dropped a lot of weight before I ran a bottle of Androlean so it's hard to feel it's full effects, next time I'll try a bottle when I first start cutting.

 

[Rodja]

AH is going to be much better if you're at a lower body fat%. AL, acting as a strong anti-catabolic, will be better when you're at a higher BF% and can lose weight fast (ie if you're 20% bf you can lose 4-5 pounds in a week... if you're at 10% you can't without it being lean mass).

This is the best description for the two.

 

[rulk22]

Speaking strictly results, if a person had the same diet/training on a cycle of AH, then took an 8 week break, then with same diet/training ran AL, what difference can that person expect in means of gains/body comp?

Thinking about giving one of em a shot?

 

[Rodja]

I hope he is

 

[JudgementDay]

On my next Androhard run in the future I'm going to dose it 8 caps a day, I've read some good feedback on a few logs with increasing it to 8 caps.

 

[R1balla]

ive messed with PH and steroids in the past when i didnt know crap. i know these arent as bad for your body, but a PH is a PH. im very very tempted to run androhard or andromass

 

[HereToStudy]

On my next Androhard run in the future I'm going to dose it 8 caps a day, I've read some good feedback on a few logs with increasing it to 8 caps.

Just started a run at 8 caps.

ive messed with PH and steroids in the past when i didnt know crap. i know these arent as bad for your body, but a PH is a PH. im very very tempted to run androhard or andromass

Let us know if you have any further questions.

 

[JudgementDay]

Just started a run at 8 caps.

Let me know how that goes for ya!

Have any of the Andromass loggers try dosing 8 or 9 caps?

 

[Rodja]

Let me know how that goes for ya!

Have any of the Andromass loggers try dosing 8 or 9 caps?

There was a log at PHF that started at 6 and went to 9 for the last bottle.

 

[R1balla]

so are the andro series products under dosed?

 

[Rodja]

so are the andro series products under dosed?

No, he just wanted to turn it into a 6 week run instead of an 8 week run.

 

[BigBlackGuy]

Let me know how that goes for ya!

Have any of the Andromass loggers try dosing 8 or 9 caps?

This would probably be an ideal dose for more advanced loggers, of course it can get expensive.

 

[HereToStudy]

No, he just wanted to turn it into a 6 week run instead of an 8 week run.

My idea as well. I like the idea of Hard as an inbetween mass cycles, but didn't want 8 weeks. 6 weeks at 8 caps finished my bottles.

 

[Rodja]

8 weeks is a long time to keep a consistent dosing schedule with orals. After awhile, it becomes a pain in the ass (to me at least).

 

[rulk22]

8 weeks is a long time to keep a consistent dosing schedule with orals. After awhile, it becomes a pain in the ass (to me at least).

Haha so true. I find though that if im seeing good results day by day though, im super motivated to stay on point. Ive upped the dose towards the end on almost all of my cycles and felt I finished much stronger vs. had I not.

 

[HereToStudy]

8 weeks is a long time to keep a consistent dosing schedule with orals. After awhile, it becomes a pain in the ass (to me at least).

Exactly, it becomes a task to not forget a dose.

 

[Rodja]

Exactly, it becomes a task to not forget a dose.

I don't know how people can take 10+ supplements each day. I prefer a simpler route and let my diet take care of the rest.

 

[rulk22]

I don't know how people can take 10+ supplements each day. I prefer a simpler route and let my diet take care of the rest.

Time and experience. Few get it close to correct right out of the gate. If someone can learn the ideal way to do things because of forums like this, more power to em.

Also heads up members, our buy one get one free sale is still on but Androhard and Androlean stock is running very low.

 

[HereToStudy]

Time and experience. Few get it close to correct right out of the gate. If someone can learn the ideal way to do things because of forums like this, more power to em.

Also heads up members, our buy one get one free sale is still on but Androhard and Androlean stock is running very low.

...and Mass is currently sold out, although iirc we had one last shipment we were awaiting.

 

[Rodja]

...and Mass is currently sold out, although iirc we had one last shipment we were awaiting.

I think that shipment is only ~1000 bottles as well.

 

[HereToStudy]

I think that shipment is only ~1000 bottles as well.

HArd is OOS.

 

[rulk22]

Wow okay some updates: Androlean is the only one in stock. Andromass and Androhard are sold out. We should be getting one more batch of Andromass and then thats it. I knew the Buy One Get One Free sale would wipe out our stock.

Also our Dermacrine is still in stock. Its good to see that one back even if only for a limited release.

 

[HereToStudy]

Wow okay some updates: Androlean is the only one in stock. Andromass and Androhard are sold out. We should be getting one more batch of Andromass and then thats it. I knew the Buy One Get One Free sale would wipe out our stock.

Also our Dermacrine is still in stock. Its good to see that one back even if only for a limited release.

Yep, Dermacrine is only a 500 bottle run

 

[MAxximal]

On my next Androhard run in the future I'm going to dose it 8 caps a day, I've read some good feedback on a few logs with increasing it to 8 caps.

use your Division 1 one week before start AH

 

[MAxximal]

HArd is OOS.

WHAT???? Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

 

[Rodja]

Shouldn't have waited...

 

[ryansm]

V3 will be out soon enough

 

[Rodja]

V3 will be out soon enough

Not soon enough

 

[BigBlackGuy]

use your Division 1 one week before start AH

Can't wait to give Division 1 and Titanium a run!! Logging soon once it arrives

 

[HereToStudy]

Not soon enough

Yeah, I think the waiting game will burn a bit, but hopefully with the new versions some that waited will give it a try.

 

[mattrag]

Yeah, I think the waiting game will burn a bit, but hopefully with the new versions some that waited will give it a try.

I'm burning to try it. But depending on my judo tourny I will decide wether or not to just run my ahv2 or wait for v3.

 

[Rodja]

I'm burning to try it. But depending on my judo tourny I will decide wether or not to just run my ahv2 or wait for v3.

I didn't know you were a judoka.

 

[VeeSix]

AH is going to be much better if you're at a lower body fat%. AL, acting as a strong anti-catabolic, will be better when you're at a higher BF% and can lose weight fast (ie if you're 20% bf you can lose 4-5 pounds in a week... if you're at 10% you can't without it being lean mass).

So, what would you say is the best plan for a person starting out at 14% BF? (was about 22% 4 months ago).

 

[mattrag]

I didn't know you were a judoka.

I like to use my strength in something lol. I must say though conditioning is rough...

 

[Rodja]

So, what would you say is the best plan for a person starting out at 14% BF? (was about 22% 4 months ago).

Keep on doing what you've been doing. Only when you hit a plateau for a month or so should something change.

I like to use my strength in something lol. I must say though conditioning is rough...

My grappling cardio is always better than my sparring cardio.

 

[BigBlackGuy]

So, what would you say is the best plan for a person starting out at 14% BF? (was about 22% 4 months ago).

Androhard for sure if you're a true 14%

 

[MAxximal]

Androhard for sure if you're a true 14%

Obese people can use AH maybe for therapeutic purposes

http://joe.endocrinology-journals.org/content/191/3/637.full

The Eric principles are true and my Endo that is a serious person beleive in this "Testosterone crush the FAT"

 

[BigBlackGuy]

Obese people can use AH maybe for therapeutic purposes

http://joe.endocrinology-journals.org/content/191/3/637.full

The Eric principles are true and my Endo that is a serious person beleive in this "Testosterone crush the FAT"

True, I believe anyone can benefit from extra DHT, especially if they are carrying extra BF%. But as a one-shot 4-6 week cycle, I don't know. Seems more like a crutch unless at a lower bf%.

 

[HereToStudy]

True, I believe anyone can benefit from extra DHT, especially if they are carrying extra BF%. But as a one-shot 4-6 week cycle, I don't know. Seems more like a crutch unless at a lower bf%.

There are still uses outside of that range, i.e. libido support, extra strength, etc..

 

[BigBlackGuy]

There are still uses outside of that range, i.e. libido support, extra strength, etc..

True. I still think it's funny people attempt to find the best anabolic to androgenic ratios in their steroids, yet every cycle is supposed to have a test base (equal anabolic/androgenic, and converts to DHT which is of course highly androgenic) and the "King" of steroids, trenbolone, is extremely androgenic.

 

[Rodja]

A:A ratings are on-paper. We should know by now that it does not always translate in the real world.

 

[HereToStudy]

A:A ratings are on-paper. We should know by now that it does not always translate in the real world.

Agreed.

 

[Rodja]

Agreed.

I recall Methyl-D having an impressive A:A rating and that didn't pan out. MOHN also has a high one, IIRC.

 

[BigBlackGuy]

A:A ratings are on-paper. We should know by now that it does not always translate in the real world.

True. People also love to skim over binding affinity.....

 

[Rodja]

True. People also love to skim over binding affinity.....

I love Vida's text, but it is not the be-all, end-all on AAS. If it was, then there wouldn't be new texts every year.

 

[rulk22]

Just a reminder to our members here, Androlean is low in stock and and as far as I know we wont be getting this one back in stock. Version 3 of Androlean wont make its debut some time from now as well.

 

[HereToStudy]

Just a reminder to our members here, Androlean is low in stock and and as far as I know we wont be getting this one back in stock. Version 3 of Androlean wont make its debut some time from now as well.

Yep, I believe it is the last to be re-introduced.

 

[Rodja]

Yep, I believe it is the last to be re-introduced.

It'll still arrive with plenty of time for next year's cutting season.