Let's answer this once and for all. I am an 18 y/o male, and want to gain mass.

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    Let's answer this once and for all. I am an 18 y/o male, and want to gain mass.


    What do I use? Friends have directed me towards using a ph, but that seems a little strong for me. No, I haven't reached genetic potential, but have plateaued. What should I use to gain lean mass? Protein and fish oil being a given.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerdoctor View Post
    What do I use? Friends have directed me towards using a ph, but that seems a little strong for me. No, I haven't reached genetic potential, but have plateaued. What should I use to gain lean mass? Protein and fish oil being a given.
    How is your diet and training? Nothing is going to produce results if those arent in check.

    That being said, are you taking any creatine products? Creatine monohydrate and BCAAs intra workout have always been a staple for me. If you want to venture into something a little stronger you could try Anabeta, its a non-hormonal anabolic. Due to it having no negative effect on endogenous hormone levels theres no reason you couldnt use it at your age. I would definitely stay away from using a PH for some years, though.
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    I am eating at my hypertrophic caloric goal. I mean supplement wise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerdoctor View Post
    I am eating at my hypertrophic caloric goal. I mean supplement wise.
    So how many calories are you eating? How about your macros?
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    My diet is approximately 3000 calories with intermediate carbohydrates, which from what I've read is about right for my size looking for hypertrophy. I train 4-6 days per week, for about an hour and a half.

    No, I haven't gotten on creatine, just true-mass and right now syntha-6. I don't want to load with the creatine, as I've heard that can cause problems, but that loading is the only way to get results with it. What would Anabeta do exactly? Sounds interesting.
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    For my macros, I try to go high protein, lower-fat, mid carb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerdoctor
    My diet is approximately 3000 calories with intermediate carbohydrates, which from what I've read is about right for my size looking for hypertrophy. I train 4-6 days per week, for about an hour and a half.

    No, I haven't gotten on creatine, just true-mass and right now syntha-6. I don't want to load with the creatine, as I've heard that can cause problems, but that loading is the only way to get results with it. What would Anabeta do exactly? Sounds interesting.
    Anabeta would be pretty good actually. its kindof a natural anabolic but not hormonal and not a test booster. im using it now and its great. creatine does not cause problems if you dont over use it (5-10g a day)its natural in your body and comes from steak and such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerdoctor View Post
    My diet is approximately 3000 calories with intermediate carbohydrates, which from what I've read is about right for my size looking for hypertrophy. I train 4-6 days per week, for about an hour and a half.

    No, I haven't gotten on creatine, just true-mass and right now syntha-6. I don't want to load with the creatine, as I've heard that can cause problems, but that loading is the only way to get results with it. What would Anabeta do exactly? Sounds interesting.
    Creatine doesnt require loading, it will just take longer for the levels to accumulate. I believe there was a study done using 3g of creatine a day and it reached levels similar to those after a loading phase (20g for 5 days). Creatine is one of the most studied and safest ergogenics in the supplement industry, theres no reason not to be taking it.

    Anabeta is an herbal compound that has been shown to be extremely anabolic. It works in lieu of the androgen receptor to increase protein synthesis, glycogen retention, etc. This produces a more favorable state of anabolism.
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    So what if I did this. Added in both Anabeta and Creatine Monohydrate, which would be stacked with Syntha-6. Would this mix cause any problems, and would it work (assuming I'm getting proper nutrition)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerdoctor View Post
    So what if I did this. Added in both Anabeta and Creatine Monohydrate, which would be stacked with Syntha-6. Would this mix cause any problems, and would it work (assuming I'm getting proper nutrition)?
    Assuming you're getting in food(especially protein), training hard enough, yes this would work with no ill effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post


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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post


    Six times daily
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    Quote Originally Posted by MakaveliThaDon View Post
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    Thanks a lot @kevinhy, I'll try this out. And btw, if I ate that meal 6 times a day, it would be more like Decabolen (which is what my friend was trying to get me to use) lol.
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    You need more food man. Even if you take steroids, you wont gain any muscle if you aren't eating more than enough

    Any weight you gain from them will be water
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerdoctor View Post
    Thanks a lot @kevinhy, I'll try this out. And btw, if I ate that meal 6 times a day, it would be more like Decabolen (which is what my friend was trying to get me to use) lol.
    lol, no problem man! Stay far far far away from that stuff, it looks like liver death, and has illegal ingredients.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    You need more food man. Even if you take steroids, you wont gain any muscle if you aren't eating more than enough

    Any weight you gain from them will be water
    He said hes eating about 3k calories. Some people, like myself, have very sluggish metabolisms. I can gain pretty decently on 3k calories, but i usually end up bumping it up to 3500 once weight gain slows, you should do the same OP.
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    Copy that.
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    U need to take some zma and get 9 hours sleep too.
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    And if you got that 3000 calories from a calculator its a rough starting estimate, and you should make changes after 2 weeks based on your results.

    Also weighing and measuring all your food can go a long way towards really knowing where you are.

    You make the effort to weigh your body and are basing your success on what that scale shows, but its every bit as important to put what goes in your mouth on a scale too.
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    Get a couple great training protocols and stick with them. There are some great ones in the article section of this site. One for strength and one for size and cycle them. Eat like a mofo the whole time.
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    Thanks a lot guys for the answers.
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    @EasyEJL, what do you think of adding in Anabeta and Creatine Mono in? Also, by about 250 calorie increments? What weight gain should I be looking for every two weeks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerdoctor View Post
    @EasyEJL, what do you think of adding in Anabeta and Creatine Mono in? Also, by about 250 calorie increments? What weight gain should I be looking for every two weeks?
    If things were linear (usually they're not) you would gain 1lb a week eating 500 calories above your maintenance level.
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    Good man.
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    I'd add the creatine mono in from the start at 5g a day and see how it goes before adding in anything else.

    It's a little hard to judge without knowing your height, weight and approx bodyfat % if you are 6' and 160lbs at 15% bodyfat then you have a good easy 20-30 lbs you can add in the next year with nothing else. If you are 6' 210lbs and 12% bodyfat then its a bit different.
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    Well shoot, looks like I forgot that. Height 5'11 @ 165 lbs, just slightly less than average body fat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerdoctor
    Well shoot, looks like I forgot that. Height 5'11 @ 165 lbs, just slightly less than average body fat.
    Then definitely at 18, just using creatine and diet manipulation you should be able to get into the 180s in 6 months. If you've hit a plateau, its due to your diet, and maybe a little bit your training routine.
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    ^ I can agree with that.

    You can take every supplement size you want in some giant stack of 89746529 pills but, fact of the matter is, if your diet isnt on track and your training isnt optimal for growth stimulation nothing will happen. Youre still 18 and metabolic changes are still settling in - its gonna be a few years till you really know whats best for you. You may now know the best vegetable for your diet until your 30. Stick with the basics for now in supplementation - BCAA's, protein, creatine, a preworkout if you choose, and perhaps a sleep aid if you have difficulties.

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    ^ I can agree with that.

    You can take every supplement size you want in some giant stack of 89746529 pills but, fact of the matter is, if your diet isnt on track and your training isnt optimal for growth stimulation nothing will happen. Youre still 18 and metabolic changes are still settling in - its gonna be a few years till you really know whats best for you. You may now know the best vegetable for your diet until your 30. Stick with the basics for now in supplementation - BCAA's, protein, creatine, a preworkout if you choose, and perhaps a sleep aid if you have difficulties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stankyleg View Post
    Get a couple great training protocols and stick with them. There are some great ones in the article section of this site. One for strength and one for size and cycle them. Eat like a mofo the whole time.
    Good advice!

    Add in a multi, whey and creatine product...plus "hypercaloricdrol" <0o-lol
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    As a college student, the amount of times I can eat a day are limited to 2-3. So around 11 a.m., I go and get a grilled chicken sandwich w/mashed potatoes. Around 5-7, I go to the buffet and really eat as much as I can, leaning towards meats and carbs.

    Training: I train in a six day rountine, as follows. Chest/tri ... back/bi ... legs ... chest/tri ... back/bi ... legs ... rest ... repeat.
    During the training I do 6-8 reps, 3 sets on the heaviest weight I can for that amount (approximately 65-75% of 1RM). Here is what I did yesterday, to give an idea. 3x8 of bench, 3x10 tri pulldown, 3x8 incline, 3x8 skullcrushers, 3x7 dumbbell press.
    I like to do 3 deals of 3 sets of each body part on the assigned day. Thanks in advance.
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    take a peek at this article. the number of times you eat a day isnt nearly as important as how much and what you eat anyhow.

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