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    David Dunn goes 5150...


    Here's the scoop guys...

    Jacked/Jack3d - loved it!

    NTKTS - loved it+!

    Comparable to or exceeding the performance of the above at regular doses. I used both of the above to the point of 3 scoops of their respective scoops. I'm not looking for a kitchen sink and a lot of fluff and filler.

    Intensity, focus, energy, endurance and performance without a crash or unwanted sides.

    I'm not looking to be a maniac but I do miss my initial Jacked sensation that was soon replaced by the NTKTS sensation. I've since burned out on both at this point and have not used Jacked in a long time and am about 3 weeks removed from my last use of NTKTS.

    What next?

    Give it up!

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    Im in the same boat, I dont know ! I need feedback as well, I havent taken N2KTS though in awhile...
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    Try out Pump Fixx by AMS.. really good stuff. I'm sure I could arrange to have some sent to you.
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    thanks tattoo for an idea, will look around for it
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    Have you tried 1MR?

    Idk... Hard to find one better than N2KTS. Love that stuff!
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    1MR ... hmhmhmh i was going to take the back in the day but haven't gotten around to it

    N2KTs is very good, I get the jitters for the first week or so, then my body is used to it! beta goes away same thing happened with Jack3d, was good then bam, i up the dose and body just continually gets used to all the deliciousness
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    Are you looking for another intense stim focus?

    I'll be honest, I burned myself out so bad that nothing seemed to do much and I'm closing in on 3 months with zero stims (will probably end up going longer, too). Taking a long break and resting my adrenals seems to be the only thing for me to do to get that feeling back.
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    yea i love the intense stim focus, I mean maybe now since I haven't taken a pre workout in over 3 months perhaps it will give me some jitters
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    1mr is dangerous.. jacked made my ears/face tingle and burn the first time i took it.... never again

    now i just take 50mg dmaa with an extra large black coffee from dunkin...

    edit: all you really need for some focus is some metallica anyway....
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    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
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    true, but I dont know if it sick that I like to feel that itch in my face and ears, yes its annoying at first but then I push harder for the next rep lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mase64 View Post
    true, but I dont know if it sick that I like to feel that itch in my face and ears, yes its annoying at first but then I push harder for the next rep lol
    i think its from that schizandrol stuff (that cant be how u spell it)

    and niacin does something simmilar.... but honestly IMO... its not worth buying a preworkout supp... might as well make your own
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    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html
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    http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/a...-servings.html

    45 servings for under $30. Cheaper than both 1MR and Jack3d
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    yea not bad 25 bucks
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    You have two more steps you can pursue... Adderall... Then Meth... after that... You probably wont have to worry since you will be Daisy food!

    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast View Post
    Are you looking for another intense stim focus?

    I'll be honest, I burned myself out so bad that nothing seemed to do much and I'm closing in on 3 months with zero stims (will probably end up going longer, too). Taking a long break and resting my adrenals seems to be the only thing for me to do to get that feeling back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    You have two more steps you can pursue... Adderall... Then Meth... after that... You probably wont have to worry since you will be Daisy food!
    lol right. Hence the 3 months completely off and most likely not touching them until my thyroid is back up to par (which hopefully will be another 2 months and not longer, but it's hard saying). I never dosed anything too crazy, but in a couple years' time, I only took a 4 and a 5 week break completely off.
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    hmmmm Meth hahahah jk
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    Here's the scoop guys...

    Jacked/Jack3d - loved it!

    NTKTS - loved it+!

    Comparable to or exceeding the performance of the above at regular doses. I used both of the above to the point of 3 scoops of their respective scoops. I'm not looking for a kitchen sink and a lot of fluff and filler.

    Intensity, focus, energy, endurance and performance without a crash or unwanted sides.

    I'm not looking to be a maniac but I do miss my initial Jacked sensation that was soon replaced by the NTKTS sensation. I've since burned out on both at this point and have not used Jacked in a long time and am about 3 weeks removed from my last use of NTKTS.

    What next?

    Give it up!
    nice review here very honest and helpful
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    gotta love N2KTS, it flat out works.........however if your looking for osmething different, why not like an anadraulic state gt?
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    N2KTS def blows out of the water every product I have tried in terms of stim energy and mental endurance
    doing my own thang!
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    What next? Give it up!
    Have you tried Fierce by SAN? It is awesome. RPM + Fierce is even better, if you are looking for a bit more energy.
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    I am liking the MaximizeV2/Hemavol combo right now. The fire is there and the pumps are redic.
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    I think you should either try Purus's Muscle Marinade or MRI's Black Powder. Definitely try using a little more than a scoop for Black Powder if 1 isn't enough, but never go over one for MM - you won't need to, lol.
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    From an ex jack3d addict my call is for Lit Up,
    fantastic prewo overall, incredible strength increase for me and good focus
    I tried probably 90% of prewo out there

    Omega Ultima wins the stim-free (and probably the whole
    prewo category) hands down, but is quite often out of stock (at least here)

    If you like jittery energy I still love NoShotgun despite
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    Pumpbol is good also when you want to cycle stims

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torobestia View Post
    I think you should either try Purus's Muscle Marinade or MRI's Black Powder. Definitely try using a little more than a scoop for Black Powder if 1 isn't enough, but never go over one for MM - you won't need to, lol.
    Muscle Marinade is definitely one that I have heard good things about. I need to give it a try.
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    In no particular order these are my current top 3 favs

    White flood v2
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    Wow! Thanks for the feedback guys.

    Lots of choices.

    Some kitchen sink products:
    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    I'm not looking for a kitchen sink and a lot of fluff and filler.
    Not slamming them but not a big fan of investing in that sort of product. I just don't know what makes it different or better that the other when you have no idea of knowing if it was ingredient A,B,C,D....X,Y,Z.

    Some considerably expensive cost/serving products that I am very unlikely to invest in unless of course I have some personal first hand evidence that it is worth it - samples sizes (hint, hint )

    Then there were some very reasonably priced items mentioned that I may try in the near future: Pumpbol, Focus XT, White Flood and Lit Up.

    Right now I have 1.M.R. in my shopping cart. I'll be placing that order by the early A.M. tomorrow unless I am talked out of it

    It seems there are the 1,3-Dimethylamylamine stimulant products and then there are the others. Seems the others have a kitchen sink of multiple "matrix" blends. I may just pick up the 20 serving size of White Flood because it is an inexpensive sample size 1,3-Dimethylamylamine-free product to compare to 1.M.R.

    I'll check in once more before I order in the morning.

    Thanks again guys. You were very helpful.
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    I would give lit-up a try with 1 maybe 2 caps of black cats depending on tolerance.

    For massive energy I also like purus lab's muscle marinade but it's pretty hit or miss, if you drink it to fast or shoot it down in minimal water you will get nauseous

    Also lit-up seemed to just get better the more I used it.
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    If you are looking for something stronger tha N2KTS I definitely wouldn't go with Pump Fixx, the taste is nice and the formula seems sound but the stimulant side of it feels very weak to me. I am admittedly one of the higher tolerance stimulant users pre workout.

    Apart from bulk supplies of caffeine, ephedrine and DMAA nothing compares to the first run of N2KTS I used.

    I haven't tried 1MR though, will look out for your review.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRigg View Post
    For massive energy I also like purus lab's muscle marinade but it's pretty hit or miss, if you drink it to fast or shoot it down in minimal water you will get nauseous
    Yeah, I have never personally drunk it using under 15oz of water. The flavor is very strong, although they've done pretty well with the cherry limeade flavor (which I think I've only tasted it pure once since I spike it with LCLT).

    BTW David, for what it's worth I would not go for the 1 M.R. IME it was a very underwhelming preWO. It stimmed me up but left me gasping for air during my workouts (i.e. no energy). I used it a few times since I have samples of it, and sometimes I'd be waiting for my preWO in the mail. Just my 2 cents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeekPoop View Post
    In no particular order these are my current top 3 favs

    White flood v2
    Lit up
    Focus xt - not pimping
    This^^^

    Also 1MR no longer has DMAA in it, the news ones are DMAA free just so you know.
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    i'd recomend lit up, so far I think it is my favorite. (until we come out with ours, yeaaah boyeeeee!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    If you are looking for something stronger tha N2KTS I definitely wouldn't go with Pump Fixx, the taste is nice and the formula seems sound but the stimulant side of it feels very weak to me. I am admittedly one of the higher tolerance stimulant users pre workout.

    Apart from bulk supplies of caffeine, ephedrine and DMAA nothing compares to the first run of N2KTS I used.

    I haven't tried 1MR though, will look out for your review.

    Right on Ben. With most of these pre workouts with the same profiles, Jack3d, 1MR, etc... N2KTS is FAR more stronger IMO. 2 scoops is actually to strong for me where with Jack3d I need 3 scoops to even compare to about 1.5 scoops of N2KTS.
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    ^^^ Same here from what I have noticed in terms of stim difference in Jack3d to N2KTS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew732 View Post
    ^^^ Same here from what I have noticed in terms of stim difference in Jack3d to N2KTS.
    Yup. Jack3d I still have 2 tubs stocked up from a long time ago.. Been using it on days I don't need a kick in the ass, 2 scoops gets me goin'

    But the days i really need it, 1 1/2 scoops N2KTS kicks my ass into gear.
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    N2KTS is the strongest stimulant I have tried on a dose for dose basis but in the UK it is £34.99 from their only supplier. Jack3d in most stores is £23.99 and can be found at £19.99 by the educated consumer.

    This prevents me purchasing more. I am looking for something to replace!
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    I've found the combination of VPX's PowerShock (BCAA + nitrates) and whatever level of stim I need that day separately works about as well as anything else i've tried.
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    IForce MaximizeV2 is bringing the anger for me right now. 1 scoop is good but 1 1/2 is where the rage starts. Got legs today and 2 scoops could be in the forecast. ;~P
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    Quote Originally Posted by BarbellBeast
    Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post

    Apart from bulk supplies of caffeine, ephedrine and DMAA nothing compares to the first run of N2KTS I used.

    Right on Ben. With most of these pre workouts with the same profiles, Jack3d, 1MR, etc... N2KTS is FAR more stronger IMO. 2 scoops is actually to strong for me where with Jack3d I need 3 scoops to even compare to about 1.5 scoops of N2KTS.
    Hmmmm. You said outloud what I was thinking.

    I was a Jacked addict and if you recall I drew all kinds of **** for even challenging ingredient profile and the "it feels different". Nate gave me a can and I was was shown "the difference" and loved it and dropped the Jacked all together.

    Sadly the very next two cans of NTKTS never came close to what I had on that first can. I even went as high as three generous scoops with little to no more than stale results.

    So I will again draw some **** - is there a quality control issue with NTKTS? Nate shared some history on the product development and alpha/beta testing and the way he "stumbled" across the first run formula. What's changed? Me? Did the formula through some inadvertent quality control issue?

    Anyway...I went with 1mr and the tiny sized 20 serving White Flood to try out a 1,3-free product.
  

  
 

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