wasnt impressed with anabeta stack any recomendations
- 08-10-2011, 04:34 PM
wasnt impressed with anabeta stack any recomendations
I would like to start off by saying im not bad mouthing a product or saying it doesnt work. I just wanted to see if anyone could help me out before I invest more money into something else.
I just recently finshed up a 4 week run of anabeta stacked with erase. overall I gained about 4lbs and noticed a little increase in deffinition and hardeness.
backround: lifted for 5 years naturally then took about 2 years off
body: 6ft 181lbs not sure of body fat guessing around 12%
diet: around 3500 cal/ and 100 grams protein from shakes (not including protein from food)
work out: every other day alternating between upper body excercises (all upper body im not concerned with legs)
sleep: around 9 hours
animal pak mv
fish oil/ flak seed oil
I didnt get any of the sides that most people reported in their anabeta logs other than a slight increase in thirst and some thermo/weird dreams. I tried dosing before and after workouts and also mid day and before bed. I had some good strength increases but I am looking for more. I am really looking to get into the 200lb range before cutting i would like to be a lean 195 190 and keep gains as dry as possible. I looked at the possiblity of trying andromass but I am a little leery about getting into prohormones. I know a lot of people have been happy with anabeta/erase but like I said i would like to see gains of around 10lbs in 4 weeks i think that is possible. My question is what would you guys recomend as far as a supplement/possible pro hormone that is going to give me gains that I am looking for? If you have questions just ask I just wanted to keep this as short as possible.
- 08-10-2011, 04:36 PM
You do realize that 4lbs is a solid gain for a 4 week run right?
I am not sure I understand what people expect from natural supps in reality.
08-10-2011, 04:41 PM
I know maybe im greedy but like I said im not here to bad mouth the product but im just wanting a little more/exploring my options. Im open to diet and workout changes. I would rather explore opinions/experience than throw money at something that doesnt work or is not safe.
08-10-2011, 04:46 PM
4lbs in 4 weeks is very solid if you lost fat and increased muscular definition at the same time. In terms of bulking, AnaBeta is about as good as it gets in the natural supplement world. If there is something better I would be keen to try it!
The gains you are looking for are coming from chemical products or a serious bulking phase where the gains aren't lean.
08-10-2011, 04:48 PM
I agree with AE...would also really encourage you to add in some lower body workouts too man....even working legs stimulates muscle growth all over.
10lbs in a month? not sure that's gonna happen with any natural supp....
08-10-2011, 04:50 PM
08-10-2011, 04:53 PM
I understand that it is pushing the limits for a natural supp, that is pretty much the question i am asking is what would be the next step without going over board, from what ive seen andromass seems to be relatively safe.
08-10-2011, 05:05 PM
Yeah, a 4 lb weight increase with a subsequent decrease in body fat sounds like pretty good results to me.
If you're looking to gain another 10lbs of lean mass in a timeframe as short as 4 weeks, you're pretty much limited to AAS/Phs.
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08-10-2011, 05:52 PM
08-10-2011, 06:01 PM
that ten pounds is going to be hard to come by without working legs. That's as simple as I can put it. You'd need to go hormonal if you're looking for ten lean pounds in a month, even then that'll be difficult to keep. Read up on diet and I would drastically rethink your workout approach.
08-10-2011, 06:27 PM
you need to set the proper expectations when taking natural supplements... they are not going to give you the same results as PHs for example but they are much safer and you can take it for longer.
4lbs of lean muscle is very good results, considering you dropped some bf the gains are greater, also AnaBeta takes 2 weeks to kick in so in reality you got those results in a shorter period!!!
08-10-2011, 06:38 PM
Echoing what many others have said. First, 4 pounds in a month is VERY GOOD. Think about if you kept that pace for 6 months a year. Second, grow a set and train legs otherwise you miss out on a hell of a lot growth. No legs= lower testosterone and lower growth hormone levels. Suck it up and squat youngster.
08-10-2011, 07:54 PM
The main reason I stayed away from the lower body is that I have bad knees from an accident on top of bad growth plates, its not that I dont want to its just that I dont have the equipment at home to train them without causing pain/damage. Squats are pretty rough for me. Anyone have experience with andromass?
08-10-2011, 08:01 PM
08-10-2011, 08:06 PM
As others have said your expectations are a little unreasonable when not going the roid route. Only you can decide if it's time to "step it up" in terms of supplementation. And like Easy said you may even be overestimating what's possible on that route in 4 weeks.
08-10-2011, 10:30 PM
If I am not mistaken, Andromas promises 8-12 pounds in 8 to 12 weeks, which comes down to gaining 1 pound a week. Well, 4 pounds in 4 weeks is 1 pound a week, so you've achieved Andromas gains without using Andromas. I would be happy, but hey, there is nothing wrong with trying to find something that can give you even better results.
08-11-2011, 01:43 AM
08-11-2011, 11:14 AM
10lb in 4wks, your fa king crazy kid. nothing but potent orals will give those type of gains. And most of it will be water
08-11-2011, 11:59 AM
Im sure he will keep getting comments like ^^^...4lbs in 4weeks is good..Seems he wants steroid effects on natural supps
08-11-2011, 12:41 PM
ok so let me ask this, would I get better bulking results from taking anabeta without erase? I mainly took erase for its anti cortisol properties, I know a lot of people take it when cutting. I dont want to sound like I expect to just blow up after a month, I am just asking for recommendations of ways to get where I want to be faster. I dont see what is bad about wanting to reach a goal the quickest way possible. Im not going to stop if it takes me a year to be where I want to be. Nothing good in life ever comes easy, Im just looking for the best help along the way. Like I said im not here to knock anabeta I just wanted to know if anyone has tried it and liked something better or knows a good ph that is on the safe side, that may show faster gains. and If anyone is interested I have before and after pics from my run theyre not the greatest but I could post them if people want to see the progress.
08-11-2011, 12:58 PM
Dude you need to move to hormonal products if you want those kind of gains. Your not going to gain that 10 lbs in 4 weeks without strong ph/ps you gonna have to get superdrol or something else strong and maybe run andromass along side. Superdrol is a little harsh for a first run but hey I did it
08-11-2011, 01:45 PM
08-11-2011, 01:59 PM
for WAAAYYYYYYYYY too long (until somewhat recently, actually) i was ALWAYS looking for a new 'magic' supplement/type of supplement that would give me ridiculous gains.
i know people might get on me about this, but all in all, each type of supplement is about the same. whey is pretty much whey, creatine mono is creatine mono, krealkalyn is krealkalyn.... too long in my earlier days did i dump money into trying different types of monohydrate, whey, etc thinking i was eventually going to find that one thatll put on some unheard of amount of size/strength, which never happened. individual supplements are just small pieces of the puzzle, and no individual one is going to give you those types of gains (aside from ph/aas). in fact, stacking all the supps in the world (again, aside from ph/aas) wont give you those types of gains (EVEN eating right wont put on 10 lbs of lean mass in a month).
ranting aside, ill tell you like i WISH someone had told me.... there isnt any magical supplement or brand thats going to do that. i had to realize that when people say 'this stuff was awesome! i cant wait to take it again' they didnt mean 'this stuff made my bench go up 50 lbs and i got shredded'. i honestly think the best bet is to go bulk on all supplements that you can... get bulk protein (i take 3.5 scoops a day), bulk creatine if it works for you (i just look for the cheapest krealkalyn per serving), bulk glutamine/aminos,etc if thats what youre into because ive come to realize that there really isnt much of a difference in the products that cost $20 and the ones that cost $80 (i always got suckered into the 'new and improved patented formula' that had outrageous prices)
thanks for the info on anabeta though, 4 lbs in a month, i cant wait to try it! lol
08-11-2011, 09:47 PM
Very well put.
I finished one bottle of anabeta with nothing to report. I had come to the same conclusion as Bill86 a while ago. After years of falling for the claims of various "Miracle" products that failed, I decided to stick with the essentials, being BCAA's, whey and creatine. It had been a while since trying anything new, so I bought two bottles of anabeta during the sale. 2nd bottle sits waiting in the basement, where it most likely will remain until after the expiration date. Just didn't do anything for me personally. Back to the basics it is.
08-11-2011, 10:33 PM
08-12-2011, 04:51 AM
yeah, crewchief... the worst was not only looking for the 'new innovative' supplement, but spending dollar after dollar on the same BS that was just marketed different
08-12-2011, 07:54 AM
08-12-2011, 09:10 AM
Pretty stupid to only run anabeta/erase for 4 weeks.....right when they are starting to really do their thing is around week 4. Next time run them for 8 weeks.
08-12-2011, 09:21 AM
saying it's 'stupid' is pretty harsh. it's not the most optimal time frame to run it but its surely not dumb.
08-12-2011, 12:28 PM
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