Titanium, Testopro and other product that contain I3C

[Evil]

Hello guys, I was checking the various products that contain Testofen, because it is a particular substance that mimics testosterone and thus helps the anabolism and increased muscle mass. In fact I am inclined to buy Titanium or TestoPro, since both contain it. I have also noticed that contain another substance the Indole-3-carbinol (I3C) which serves to lower estrogen. But I read in some studies that I3C downregulate the androgen receptor, and this is not favorable to those seeking to increase muscle mass. I also read of people who have used TestoPro and accused problems of lethargy, and they think the cause was the I3C. According to you guys I3C is really so counterproductive for people trying to gain muscle mass? I would be more inclined to buy Titanium and put it in a stack composed of Adamantium and perhaps with the Anabeta.

 

[Evil]

BUMP!

 

[MAxximal]

Hello guys, I was checking the various products that contain Testofen, because it is a particular substance that mimics testosterone and thus helps the anabolism and increased muscle mass. In fact I am inclined to buy Titanium or TestoPro, since both contain it. I have also noticed that contain another substance the Indole-3-carbinol (I3C) which serves to lower estrogen. But I read in some studies that I3C downregulate the androgen receptor, and this is not favorable to those seeking to increase muscle mass. I also read of people who have used TestoPro and accused problems of lethargy, and they think the cause was the I3C. According to you guys I3C is really so counterproductive for people trying to gain muscle mass? I would be more inclined to buy Titanium and put it in a stack composed of Adamantium and perhaps with the Anabeta.

i used 2g daily of TESTOFEN and i never noticed lethargy but yeap i see some guys regarding this but this was not my case and I3C modulate estrogen receptors not means lower estrogen

Indole-3-Carbinol (I3C) I3C is a naturally occurring compound derived from cruciferous vegetables such as broccoli, Brussels sprouts, and cabbage that actively promotes the breakdown of estrogen to the beneficial metabolite, 2-OH. However, modern diets are often deficient in these vegetables. Fortunately, research shows that supplementation with isolated, concentrated I3C promotes 2-hydroxlation of estrogen.Therefore, I3C is protective to estrogen-sensitive tissues and may be beneficial to those with health issues related to estrogen dominance. The mechanism by which I3C promotes 2-OH formation involves the selective induction of Phase 1 metabolizing cytochrome P450 enzymes (P450-1A1 and P450-1A2), which facilitate the 2-hydroxylation of estrogen.64,65 Through this metabolic role, I3C promotes an increased ratio of 2-OH to 16α-OH and may improve estrogen metabolism in women with poor diets or impaired detoxification.3,64,66 I3C may also reduce the activity of the enzyme required for the 4-hydroxylation of estrogen, thereby decreasing carcinogenic 4-OH formation.

 

[Evil]

Maxximal thanks for the reply, actually I would be concerned about what I've read that the I3C downregulate androgen receptors. Anyway thank you for your reply.

 

[hsk]

If you mainly just want to try Testofen, you could always buy Testofen on its own and try it out first so you will know how your body responds to it. That way if you choose to use a product that is based around testofen in the future you will be able get a better idea of the effects of the other ingredients and how they may or may not complement testofen as it pertains to your own goals. I had the same concerns as you when I was looking at testofen and testofen based products. In the end I decided to buy everything I wanted to take seperately. Then I started the testofen and waited for it to work and added the other things one at a time in order to guage effectiveness and additional synergy. To give you an example I started using the following in order: 1800mg Testofen, 1500mg Fadogia Agrestis, 1600mg 3,4 Divanil, and 50mg Erase. I am currently still running all four together and they do complement each other quite well and make a very potent natural stack.

 

[Evil]

Thanks for the reply Hsk =)

 

[MAxximal]

Maxximal thanks for the reply, actually I would be concerned about what I've read that the I3C downregulate androgen receptors. Anyway thank you for your reply.

here to help

 

[hsk]

Thanks for the reply Hsk =)

Your welcome. Just glad I could be of some assistance.

 

[JudgementDay]

Some don't like I3C, I've always got great benefits from it, helps dry my out a bit like an AI. The NEW TitaniumXL will be at a way cheaper price then any other testofen products. For $34 it will contain 30 servings of 1700mg of Testofen, 400mg of I3C and 1600mg of LCLT. Best price compared to any testofen product on the market. You could make this last 60 days and still get more testofen then the other testofen based test boosters.

Stacking it with Adamantium will be a great stack, only other thing I would add is Division 1, which contains 3,4 Divanil, great combo. Ana-beta is great too!

 

[Evil]

JudgementDay Hello, thanks for the reply. I noticed that it is coming out TitaniumXL. Precisely for this reason I wanted to buy Titanium and take 2 capsules at the beginning, because I noticed that in 2 capsules there are 200 mg of I3C, so you can see how I react to this substance. The fact that are doubtful about the I3C is the fact that I have read that downregulate the androgen receptors and in some subjects a bit of lethargy. However, my stack would be composed of Titanium, Adamantium (Formula X, or if it comes out soon) and finally Anabeta. Unfortunately I live in Europe so I can buy only from PredatorNutrition. In PredatorNutrition, Division 1 and TitaniumXL is not available even.

 

[MAxximal]

JudgementDay Hello, thanks for the reply. I noticed that it is coming out TitaniumXL. Precisely for this reason I wanted to buy Titanium and take 2 capsules at the beginning, because I noticed that in 2 capsules there are 200 mg of I3C, so you can see how I react to this substance. The fact that are doubtful about the I3C is the fact that I have read that downregulate the androgen receptors and in some subjects a bit of lethargy. However, my stack would be composed of Titanium, Adamantium (Formula X, or if it comes out soon) and finally Anabeta. Unfortunately I live in Europe so I can buy only from PredatorNutrition. In PredatorNutrition, Division 1 and TitaniumXL is not available even.

If you planning use Division 1 (3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran AKA Divanil) i recommend you take I3C Divanil free up Test and E too

 

[corsaking]

JudgementDay Hello, thanks for the reply. I noticed that it is coming out TitaniumXL. Precisely for this reason I wanted to buy Titanium and take 2 capsules at the beginning, because I noticed that in 2 capsules there are 200 mg of I3C, so you can see how I react to this substance. The fact that are doubtful about the I3C is the fact that I have read that downregulate the androgen receptors and in some subjects a bit of lethargy. However, my stack would be composed of Titanium, Adamantium (Formula X, or if it comes out soon) and finally Anabeta. Unfortunately I live in Europe so I can buy only from PredatorNutrition. In PredatorNutrition, Division 1 and TitaniumXL is not available even.

for division 1 why not substitute activate extreme by ds or basic nettle root extract

as for down regulation of the receptors -doesnt i3c just down regulate in the prostate which carnt be a bad thing.

incidentally if you cause a down regulation in one part of the body , can that cause an imbalance so you get more ar elsewhere?

im thinking down regulate the prostate , get an increase in ARs in the scalp leading to Male pattern baldness ? Any views on this?

are we born with a certain number of receptor sites and little can be done to increase them? Does the number vary not only in different parts of the body but also from one male to another?EG x might have less number of ARs in the scalp compared to y but x might have more in the prostate than y.

hows it all work?

 

[JudgementDay]

JudgementDay Hello, thanks for the reply. I noticed that it is coming out TitaniumXL. Precisely for this reason I wanted to buy Titanium and take 2 capsules at the beginning, because I noticed that in 2 capsules there are 200 mg of I3C, so you can see how I react to this substance. The fact that are doubtful about the I3C is the fact that I have read that downregulate the androgen receptors and in some subjects a bit of lethargy. However, my stack would be composed of Titanium, Adamantium (Formula X, or if it comes out soon) and finally Anabeta. Unfortunately I live in Europe so I can buy only from PredatorNutrition. In PredatorNutrition, Division 1 and TitaniumXL is not available even.

Once Nutraplanet gets TitaniumXL and Formula-X Predator Nutrition should get it soon enough.

 

[BBB]

Dinoiii has already addressed the I3C issue on his forum. Just because I3C down regulates AR receptors in the prostate does not mean that it down regulates AR receptors elsewhere in the body. AR receptors in the prostate are specific to the prostate and unique to this area of the body. Dinoiii helped formulate Primal Male by MAN which contains I3C as a means of estrogen regulation.

 

[ssbackwards]

When I use i3c my woods pretty floppy and I have issues maintaining an erection. And libido is pretty low.

I stay away from i3c. However anti a's increase LH so every dosing u wouldn't want to do. Maybe 3x a weeks is best for an anti a just enouhgt to increase lh but not enouhg to destroy libido? Either way I'm not a fan

 

[oufinny]

I am taking Titanium and it seems to be kicking butt for me, the I3C is just a benefit for me in PCT as it is keeping estro under control with the addition of Erase. I have take TestoPro and Titanium, I see no issue at all with I3C.

 

[MAxximal]

The lignan in Divanil prevent DHT binding to receptors of the prostate too

 

[fightbackhxc]

The lignan in Divanil prevent DHT binding to receptors of the prostate too

Good stuff if you can find a good extract.

 

[Evil]

Hey guys, thanks for all the answers. To see how I react of the I3C the only way and try. Buy Titanium and use a maximum of 2 capsules a day to see if I accuse some problems.

 

[fightbackhxc]

Division1 +Titanium would be nice.

 

[Evil]

Unfortunately on Predator Nutrition is not for sale Division 1.So I guess my stack will consist of Titanium, Adamantium and Anabeta. But I wanted to ask you something. I read several forums and one thing that particularly struck me in a forum is a phrase written by a user, referring precisely to the product Titanium. This user may sponsor another product called BioForge, but I'm not sure, but here is what she wrote:

"This time you definitely can. BioForge wins, no contest.

Let me break it down for you.

Titanium:

Underdosed-Indole-3-carbinol (very healthy estrogens channeling agent, too bad it does NOT INCREASE testosterone)

-Fenugreek (good for libido, too bad it does NOT INCREASE testosterone)

Severely-underdosed LCLT (it does NOT INCREASE testosterone). Androgen receptors you say? Its Ability to Regulate androgen receptors up-in not intrinsic, but in Conjunction with preventative Rather intense exercise. This is Directly attributable to skeletal muscle damage lowered (prevention of free radical accumulation).

Erase:

Aromatase inhibitor decent (I used this compound before Erase CAME way out) yet if underdosed 50mg daily dose is the recommended (not to mention not Erase user's ever got bloods). Either No studies available.


BioForge:

ITS ALL ingredients are proven to do Exactly what they're Supposed To Do (humans, not rats, not in vitro) more testosterone, less cortisol, ergogenic effects. "

But is it effective this product called BioForge? if anyone has used it has gained a lot of muscle mass and strength?

 

[MAxximal]

Hey guys, thanks for all the answers. To see how I react of the I3C the only way and try. Buy Titanium and use a maximum of 2 capsules a day to see if I accuse some problems.

bump to 4 caps a day you will be fine but be ready for the increase in appetite

 

[fightbackhxc]

Unfortunately on Predator Nutrition is not for sale Division 1.So I guess my stack will consist of Titanium, Adamantium and Anabeta. But I wanted to ask you something. I read several forums and one thing that particularly struck me in a forum is a phrase written by a user, referring precisely to the product Titanium. This user may sponsor another product called BioForge, but I'm not sure, but here is what she wrote:

"This time you definitely can. BioForge wins, no contest.

Let me break it down for you.

Titanium:

Underdosed-Indole-3-carbinol (very healthy estrogens channeling agent, too bad it does NOT INCREASE testosterone)

-Fenugreek (good for libido, too bad it does NOT INCREASE testosterone)

Severely-underdosed LCLT (it does NOT INCREASE testosterone). Androgen receptors you say? Its Ability to Regulate androgen receptors up-in not intrinsic, but in Conjunction with preventative Rather intense exercise. This is Directly attributable to skeletal muscle damage lowered (prevention of free radical accumulation).

Erase:

Aromatase inhibitor decent (I used this compound before Erase CAME way out) yet if underdosed 50mg daily dose is the recommended (not to mention not Erase user's ever got bloods). Either No studies available.


BioForge:

ITS ALL ingredients are proven to do Exactly what they're Supposed To Do (humans, not rats, not in vitro) more testosterone, less cortisol, ergogenic effects. "

But is it effective this product called BioForge? if anyone has used it has gained a lot of muscle mass and strength?

sounds like a rep trying to pimp.

 

[Cocaine4PWO]

BioForge made me very lethargic I had to take it with Iodine (kelp) which helped out a lot.

But Bioforge is real good stuff, I saw gains

 

[Evil]

Do not worry, even for me it is good to increase appetite. Unfortunately I suffer from hypogonadism, low levels of GH and then I also suffer from thyroid. I'm pretty skinny. I make so many exams in my life. For a couple of years my doctor made ​​cycle of oxandrolone 10mg per day for six months to increase the levels of GH and to put on weight. Gone the 6 months and then stop me again. Since I started oxandrolone therapy, I began to gain weight, even if slowly, unfortunately. I eat a lot and are always followed by specialists. Because of thyroid problems and hypogonadism also use 50mg of Zoloft for several years for treat mental fatigue and lethargy. Unfortunately I live in Italy, and hormonal therapies are not prescribed. Are prescribed in some cases. But the various doctors I visited told me they are too young for this type of therapy. I'm 23. Although I have several problems, practical bodybuilding when I turned 18, now I have 23 years. Unfortunately I have seen few results, but since I started cycles oxandrolone I see more defined and sculpted. And then working out with weights makes me feel good. In addition, oxandrolone is prescribed to me made compounded ​​in pharmacies, and costs a lot, too. So now that I finished a couple of months of therapy, before you take it I wanted to use some supplements to see if I can gain weight. I wanted to know if I can also use creatine. Predator I have seen on the SNS Nutrition Creatine magnesium chelate. Creatine could help me? I apologize for my English, but I'm using a translator.

 

[fightbackhxc]

Do not worry, even for me it is good to increase appetite. Unfortunately I suffer from hypogonadism, low levels of GH and then I also suffer from thyroid. I'm pretty skinny. I make so many exams in my life. For a couple of years my doctor made ​​cycle of oxandrolone 10mg per day for six months to increase the levels of GH and to put on weight. Gone the 6 months and then stop me again. Since I started oxandrolone therapy, I began to gain weight, even if slowly, unfortunately. I eat a lot and are always followed by specialists. Because of thyroid problems and hypogonadism also use 50mg of Zoloft for several years for treat mental fatigue and lethargy. Unfortunately I live in Italy, and hormonal therapies are not prescribed. Are prescribed in some cases. But the various doctors I visited told me they are too young for this type of therapy. I'm 23. Although I have several problems, practical bodybuilding when I turned 18, now I have 23 years. Unfortunately I have seen few results, but since I started cycles oxandrolone I see more defined and sculpted. And then working out with weights makes me feel good. In addition, oxandrolone is prescribed to me made compounded ​​in pharmacies, and costs a lot, too. So now that I finished a couple of months of therapy, before you take it I wanted to use some supplements to see if I can gain weight. I wanted to know if I can also use creatine. Predator I have seen on the SNS Nutrition Creatine magnesium chelate. Creatine could help me? I apologize for my English, but I'm using a translator.

Creatine Magnesium Chealte has always been one of my favorite forms of Creatine. It could help you put on some size and strength. Coupled with a good diet that is. Sorry to hear about your setbacks, makes me appreciate my health and how much I take it for granted.

 

[louisaboy]

Unfortunately on Predator Nutrition is not for sale Division 1.So I guess my stack will consist of Titanium, Adamantium and Anabeta. But I wanted to ask you something. I read several forums and one thing that particularly struck me in a forum is a phrase written by a user, referring precisely to the product Titanium. This user may sponsor another product called BioForge, but I'm not sure, but here is what she wrote:

"This time you definitely can. BioForge wins, no contest.

Let me break it down for you.

Titanium:

Underdosed-Indole-3-carbinol (very healthy estrogens channeling agent, too bad it does NOT INCREASE testosterone)

-Fenugreek (good for libido, too bad it does NOT INCREASE testosterone)

Severely-underdosed LCLT (it does NOT INCREASE testosterone). Androgen receptors you say? Its Ability to Regulate androgen receptors up-in not intrinsic, but in Conjunction with preventative Rather intense exercise. This is Directly attributable to skeletal muscle damage lowered (prevention of free radical accumulation).

Erase:

Aromatase inhibitor decent (I used this compound before Erase CAME way out) yet if underdosed 50mg daily dose is the recommended (not to mention not Erase user's ever got bloods). Either No studies available.


BioForge:

ITS ALL ingredients are proven to do Exactly what they're Supposed To Do (humans, not rats, not in vitro) more testosterone, less cortisol, ergogenic effects. "

But is it effective this product called BioForge? if anyone has used it has gained a lot of muscle mass and strength?

This was written by TheHuge(Biotivia Online Rep) on bb.com forum!!

 

[fightbackhxc]

This was written by TheHuge(Biotivia Online Rep) on bb.com forum!!

lol. The guys product is good but sometimes he can be a bit overboard on how he treats other companies and products.

 

[JudgementDay]

Unfortunately on Predator Nutrition is not for sale Division 1.So I guess my stack will consist of Titanium, Adamantium and Anabeta. But I wanted to ask you something. I read several forums and one thing that particularly struck me in a forum is a phrase written by a user, referring precisely to the product Titanium. This user may sponsor another product called BioForge, but I'm not sure, but here is what she wrote:

"This time you definitely can. BioForge wins, no contest.

Let me break it down for you.

Titanium:

Underdosed-Indole-3-carbinol (very healthy estrogens channeling agent, too bad it does NOT INCREASE testosterone)

-Fenugreek (good for libido, too bad it does NOT INCREASE testosterone)

Severely-underdosed LCLT (it does NOT INCREASE testosterone). Androgen receptors you say? Its Ability to Regulate androgen receptors up-in not intrinsic, but in Conjunction with preventative Rather intense exercise. This is Directly attributable to skeletal muscle damage lowered (prevention of free radical accumulation).

Erase:

Aromatase inhibitor decent (I used this compound before Erase CAME way out) yet if underdosed 50mg daily dose is the recommended (not to mention not Erase user's ever got bloods). Either No studies available.


BioForge:

ITS ALL ingredients are proven to do Exactly what they're Supposed To Do (humans, not rats, not in vitro) more testosterone, less cortisol, ergogenic effects. "

But is it effective this product called BioForge? if anyone has used it has gained a lot of muscle mass and strength?

lol who said I3C increases test?....and 400mg is underdosed?? I think this rep needs to re-google that one.

The studies on Testofen shows it mimics testosterone, another study shows an increase in test by 100%, now that is from the makers, so some people are skeptical, but from my experience with Testofen I think I get a test increase, no bloods, but at least from the effects it shows to me it's increasing test, or just really damn good at mimicking testosterone. Most people that have used Titanium and other testofen products love it for the results it produces. Titanium has more testofen then any other testofen based test booster on the market and if anyone wants to check out the reviews from Nutra and the forum, the feedback has been great. Now x2 of everything with TitaniumXL.

The LCLT in Titanium isn't dosed as high as Adamantium because it's meant to be stacked giving a total of 3.6g of LCLT. Also shown good effects at low doses, LCLT increases your bodies hormonal response, even some Mrsupps PH's contain a small dose of LCLT, because it works!

As for Erase, take it and you know it's decreasing estrogen, there is no doubt about that lol. I don't see them releasing bloods for their product either?


As for BioforgeV3 I never tried it so I can't judge it, but I do think it's way overpriced, if you ended up trying this formula I would go with VidaTest, it's the same thing for way way cheaper.

 

[fightbackhxc]

lol who said I3C increases test?....and 400mg is underdosed?? I think this rep needs to re-google that one.

The studies on Testofen shows it mimics testosterone, another study shows an increase in test by 100%, now that is from the makers, so some people are skeptical, but from my experience with Testofen I think I get a test increase, no bloods, but at least from the effects it shows to me it's increasing test, or just really damn good at mimicking testosterone. Most people that have used Titanium and other testofen products love it for the results it produces. Titanium has more testofen then any other testofen based test booster on the market and if anyone wants to check out the reviews from Nutra and the forum, the feedback has been great. Now x2 of everything with TitaniumXL.

The LCLT in Titanium isn't dosed as high as Adamantium because it's meant to be stacked giving a total of 3.6g of LCLT. Also shown good effects at low doses, LCLT increases your bodies hormonal response, even some Mrsupps PH's contain a small dose of LCLT, because it works!

As for Erase, take it and you know it's decreasing estrogen, there is no doubt about that lol. I don't see them releasing bloods for their product either?


As for BioforgeV3 I never tried it so I can't judge it, but I do think it's way overpriced, if you ended up trying this formula I would go with VidaTest, it's the same thing for way way cheaper.

Titanium is both effective and price friendly. He is feeling the pressure of competition

 

[Evil]

fightbackhxc, unfortunately, doctors noticed it late enough that I suffer from all those diseases and disorders. Also because I was hospitalized several times when I was younger but I had never done specific tests. It is still the person who wrote those things is called TheHuge. But I'm not interested in his opinion, since you guys, including JudgementDay, I have given very specific instructions on the products I asked.So I decided it is a stack composed of Titanium, Adamantium and Anabeta and we also add creatine chelated magnesium.

 

[nattydisaster]

I dont think the stack will be anything like actual hormone replacement that you are needing. I think you should focus on getting your hormone panel where it needs to be and medically treated.

That is a pretty good english translator you have...well done!

 

[Evil]

I dont think the stack will be anything like actual hormone replacement that you are needing. I think you should focus on getting your hormone panel where it needs to be and medically treated.

That is a pretty good english translator you have...well done!

Thanks for the answer Nattydisaster. But unfortunately, as I wrote before here in Italy, the doctors are not very experienced about HRT, it rarely prescribe. I was visited by many doctors but all they told me I'm too young to be able to prescribe testosterone replacement therapy. As far as thyroid problems the doctor who treated me the pills he prescribed iodine, which I take regularly for two years. The oxandrolone is prescribed to me instead of cycles, to increase the levels of GH and to put some weight, 10mg per day. In fact, I've done a few cycles of 6 months of oxandrolone, and when I was prescribed I had some improvements with regard to weight gain, albeit slowly. The doctors have told me that my body can not absorb nutrients as other people also due to a metabolism too fast. I just finished another round of therapy with oxandrolone, and since I have to wait to make another, I wanted to try a stack composed of Titanium, Adamantium and Anabeta. Thank you again for the answers.

 

[fightbackhxc]

fightbackhxc, unfortunately, doctors noticed it late enough that I suffer from all those diseases and disorders. Also because I was hospitalized several times when I was younger but I had never done specific tests. It is still the person who wrote those things is called TheHuge. But I'm not interested in his opinion, since you guys, including JudgementDay, I have given very specific instructions on the products I asked.So I decided it is a stack composed of Titanium, Adamantium and Anabeta and we also add creatine chelated magnesium.

great stack but natty is right.