High quality pre WO drink w/o creatine?

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    High quality pre WO drink w/o creatine?


    Hey guys I'm looking to cycle off jack3d/ creatine.. Any suggestions? BTW, is it a good idea to get off beta alanine as well? Thanks!

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    waxy maze works great for me without any crash post training . If adding 120 carbs to your diet in not a big problem , then you could possibly drink 1 before training , 1 during training and one following training with your whey isolate . I had to take this route , the stimulates ( caffeine ) does not work well for me .Hope this helps you on your journey
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    Watermelon White Flood.

    Nitrates, Citrulline, Carnitine, awesome energy, focus, pump and endurance with no crash.

    You can grab free samples of WF version 2 from my sig (samples are in fruit punch tho). The watermelon tastes amazingly good
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    Focus XT or Watermelon White Flood
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powercage View Post
    Watermelon White Flood.

    Nitrates, Citrulline, Carnitine, awesome energy, focus, pump and endurance with no crash.

    You can grab free samples of WF version 2 from my sig (samples are in fruit punch tho). The watermelon tastes amazingly good
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    Focus XT or Watermelon White Flood
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    Lit Up. PM me for a sample. also try Drive for a non stim and RPM for a more of a stronger stim. Lit Up would still be my preference over the three options i have given.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post
    Lit Up. PM me for a sample. also try Drive for a non stim and RPM for a more of a stronger stim. Lit Up would still be my preference over the three options i have given.
    Doesn't lit up have DAA?
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    Are you also going to cycle off beef and chicken? because they have plenty of creatine in them as well. There isn't any particular scientific rationale for cycling off creatine.
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    Why cycle off of creatine?
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    I don't see any reason to have to cycle off of creatine, either. I'd definitely cycle off the stims, though. I went a looooong time without doing that and now I'm 6 weeks deep into a 12 week (minimum) break from stimulants just to try and reset my tolerance. I don't care if my pre-workout has creatine in it or not. If it does, then okay, and if not, I just pop my 5g mono with my post workout shake. Taking a break from caffeine and more importantly 1,3 dimeth is going to be far more important.
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    I agree with a few of the others.
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    i agree

    i using WF watermelon right and have used focus xt before. cant go wrong w either
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    I'm not the brightest, but I don't see any reason to get off the creatine. Stims on the other hand are understandable. It sucks when you get hooked on one and find that your body/mind will not respond without it. I was that way with Jack3d and had to stay away from it for a couple of months. I'm back on it and loving it once again!!!
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    You can try Maniac. The pink lemonade is excellent.
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