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    ATTN: Users of PES AnaBeta and those interested in AnaBeta


    Lets talk AnaBeta...

    To those of you who have used or are using it, give us some details on how and why you liked it. Pros and cons, etc. Some short summaries!

    To those who have not yet used AnaBeta...ask any questions you have to all the members who have used it or are using it.

    I started this monsterous thread of feedback (see below)...but lets discuss and have some Q and A for the users

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    AnaBeta is an anabolic product, no PCT required

    Check out the link in post 1 to see some feedback. Here is the original AnaBeta thread in case anyone missed it: PES is testing a new Anabolic...Details inside
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    I ran a full bottle...not 1 con I can see. I was unable to lift or eat properly for medical reasons, and not a pound lost. In fact, weight remained and I leaned out. Dying for this to hit the shelves
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    No cons other than at first I got a hypoglycemic reaction from not eating enough carbs the first day, and for some if they receive acne it may cause an issue but I could care less about acne. Pros include leaning effect, muscle fullness, strength gain, muscular endurance, increased appetite, increased need for hydration, nice diuretic effect, packed on some solid LBM, 17 lbs as of now. Very good mood, lots of nice pros with this supp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew732 View Post
    No cons other than at first I got a hypoglycemic reaction from not eating enough carbs the first day, and for some if they receive acne it may cause an issue but I could care less about acne. Pros include leaning effect, muscle fullness, strength gain, muscular endurance, increased appetite, increased need for hydration, nice diuretic effect, packed on some solid LBM, 17 lbs as of now. Very good mood, lots of nice pros with this supp.
    wow!

    I gotta try it!
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    I'm just on day 11....

    Pros: (during workout) increased pump, strength, endurance, aggression, sweat...(outside of working out), acts like a nutrient partitioner, able to eat more in one sitting, esp carbs

    Cons:
    that I don't already have a few bottles of this in my stash

    ....I've only noticed slight thermo effect and slight appetite increase (esp compared to what others have stated)...water intake has increased from 1 gallon/day to 1.5-2 gallons/day.

    Questions I have:
    Is this composed of just one compound or is it a formula? herbal?
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    I used 1 bottle, varying 3-6 caps.

    Hit some natty PRs despite being on a caloric deficit. The biggest thing I noted was a DEFINITE vascularity increase. All-day pumped feeling. Subtle, but very nice! The only negative side I noted was thirst/hypoglycemia - but that lets me know it's working. Continued to lose fat while sparing muscle/strength.
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    I can't wait for this to hit Nutraplanet!
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    Whens this supposed to hit shelves? WANT SOME!!!

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    i can attest to the strength increases on a calorie deficit. My bench hasn't increased this quickly since my noob gaining days.
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    Rosie's Experience with AnaBeta-01


    I am going to be using AnaBeta-01 again in the near future, for a lot longer than I used it the first time. As for the first time, I was the first tester of Anabeta-01, and I experimented with 3-5 caps a day, different dosing and timing of doses around training and meals. My thoughts below:

    Pros/Positive Effects

    * From day one (where I did NOT train at all), there was an immediate increase in muscle hardness - in deltoids and arms especially (at first I thought I was imagining it, but it continued on, getting stronger with continued usage) - the hardness in arms starts not long after dosing and remains throughout the day.
    * As far as days when training, dosing post-meal containing carbohydrates elicits the "hard muscle" effect in arms (biceps in particular) ~20 minutes after dosing - this is especially true moreso if the meal is the one immediately POST-training, instead of being before.
    * Vascularity was increased, to the levels it would normally be when I am a few bodyfat percentage LEANER.
    * Noticeable nutrient repartitioning/insulin-like effects - the nutrient repartitioning effects are stronger after a meal that contains ONLY complex carbohydrates and protein (clean meal).
    * I increased the lean mass in shoulders, arms, glutes and calves by at least half an inch in each area.
    * Increase in thirst was noticeable from day one, and I was drinking close to ~2 galleons of water a day.

    Cons/Side Effects

    * My skin is usually clear, but this caused blemishes (starting from the second day is usage), as well as increasing the oiliness of my skin.
    * My natural aggression was slightly increased and I was moodier than usual (although this can also be attributed to the circumstances of the time and not just the product).
    * Diuretic effects occurred every ~10 minutes when training is dosed pre-training, which was annoying.
    * The increase in appetite was unreal and only got more pronounced over time, especially later in the day/night - this effect was a "con" for me, since my goal at the time was fat loss, and that was NOT happening. The longer the period between doses (and also the higher the daily dosage used), the stronger the effect on appetite. Even Sean commented that I was even worse than usual re appetite and eating - which is saying something given that he already calls me the "human garbage disposal", LOL. His words: "You've done some serious damage over the last two weeks".

    Cliff Notes of effects

    * Noticeable increase in muscle hardness, vascularity, and nutrient repartitioning and thirst.
    * Effects that get more pronounced over usage include causing blemishes and increased oiliness of skin, and ridiculous increase in appetite.
    * Strong diuretic effect after dosing - good in general, but bad when it occurs during training (from pre-training dose).

    Other Notes

    Used for two weeks.

    Training
    * Week 1 - every other day was a day off, with single training on the days training completed.
    * Week 2 - trained five days, with four of those training days double sessions (am and pm).

    Body Statistics
    * Start - 11% bodyfat at 124.8 pounds.
    * Start to end of Week 1 - 126.6 pounds (+1.8 pounds with +1.0842 pounds of bodyfat and + 0.7158 pounds of lean body mass) at 11.7% bodyfat (+0.7% bodyfat).
    * End of Week 1 to end of Week 2 -127.8 pounds (+1.2 pounds with +0.0126 pounds of bodyfat and + 1.1874 pounds of lean body mass) at 11.6% bodyfat (-0.1% bodyfat).
    * Overall - +3 pounds and + 0.6% bodyfat.

    Would you recommend it?

    I really feel that this is a definite BULKER, so I would only recommend it if one was using it for that purpose. If one was recomping, it might also be a valid option, given my results in the second week. However, I would definitely NOT recommend it for one aiming for straight fat loss . . .The product is definitely more effective with high volume training as well re effects in body composition (as seen from body statistics from week 1 to week 2) . . .

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    For anyone who has used it, roughly how long did it take for the strength gains to come?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwa254 View Post
    For anyone who has used it, roughly how long did it take for the strength gains to come?
    took me about 3 weeks, others I know felt it earlier though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwa254 View Post
    For anyone who has used it, roughly how long did it take for the strength gains to come?
    I made consistent progress re strength, but my training was not focused on strength, although I lift as heavy as I can every resistance session, generally increasing weight each week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwa254 View Post
    For anyone who has used it, roughly how long did it take for the strength gains to come?
    I think I'm just walking thru that door now...have been able to push through the reps 'easier' this week..

    Edit: so you don't have to scroll back up to see how many days that is....I'm coming to end of week 2....
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew732 View Post
    packed on some solid LBM, 17 lbs as of now. Very good mood, lots of nice pros with this supp.

    So you're saying you gained 17 pounds of pure muscle with this product?. I'm sure its a good product and I'll be trying it soon. However 17 pounds of muscle from OTC product that I'm guessing you ran for about 1 month?. Thats just ridiculously hilarious!.
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    I have posted my final review for anyone interested. Link in the signature.
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    The only con of this product is actually it's major pro and that is the strength of its repartitioning. On my first dose, I took it and did not eat anything for about 45 minutes, which was a huge mistake. Another thing that I noticed was the major reduction in bloat following a cheat meal while I was using this. I could eat at a pizza buffet and not looked like I swallowed a watermelon. My dosing was 3-4/caps per day (depending on number of meals I ate that day). I'm not sure what the price of this is going to be, but I will assume that it will be very affordable just like the rest of the PES lineup.

    This product is very utilitarian. I was cutting during the first half of the bottle and saw accelerated fat loss; the second half was a lean bulk and I not only avoided any rebound fat gain, but I added 3-4 lbs of LBM. My strength levels maintained while I was cutting and steadily increased during the lean bulk phase.
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    Sounds almost too good to be true!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Another thing that I noticed was the major reduction in bloat following a cheat meal while I was using this. I could eat at a pizza buffet and not looked like I swallowed a watermelon.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    The only con of this product is actually it's major pro and that is the strength of its repartitioning. On my first dose, I took it and did not eat anything for about 45 minutes, which was a huge mistake. Another thing that I noticed was the major reduction in bloat following a cheat meal while I was using this. I could eat at a pizza buffet and not looked like I swallowed a watermelon. My dosing was 3-4/caps per day (depending on number of meals I ate that day). I'm not sure what the price of this is going to be, but I will assume that it will be very affordable just like the rest of the PES lineup.

    This product is very utilitarian. I was cutting during the first half of the bottle and saw accelerated fat loss; the second half was a lean bulk and I not only avoided any rebound fat gain, but I added 3-4 lbs of LBM. My strength levels maintained while I was cutting and steadily increased during the lean bulk phase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    I have posted my final review for anyone interested. Link in the signature.
    Found it


    Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    This is my last full day on AnaBeta so here is my final review. I have four capsules left, one for tonight and three for tomorrow.

    Starting weight: 83kg
    Finishing weight: 85kg
    Weight Increase 2kg/4.4lbs

    Total run- 37 days.


    Objective Notes:
    -My weight peaked yesterday at 86kg which is very high for me, not a weight I ever fluctuate to normally. My final weight this morning was 85kg so it is only right I record my final weight. All weights were recorded in the morning after going to the toilet and before I consumed anything, solid or liquid.
    - My flexed arm measurement increased between .3" and .4". Both measurements were taken in the morning, before training or any physical exertion and without any form of additional supplementation like NO products.
    - My flexed arm measurement is at it's highest ever
    - My weight is higher than it ever is at this level of body fat. AnaBeta has pushed me into new territories regarding weight and arm measurements.
    - My flexed arm measurement after training went up to 17.25" which is also the highest it has ever been as well as being a bigger difference between post training and pre training measurements.


    Subjective Notes:
    - The appetite increase was absolutely ferocious at the beginning. Within a week or so I was seriously contemplating dropping the dosage because it was hard to handle. I could eat a breakfast of steak and eggs and feel hungry within an hour. The appetite increase started slowing down towards the end of the run. They were so severe that if I waited an hour and a half after eating before I trained I often felt like my stomach was empty until the point of nausea, even if I had filled the 90 minutes carb with a waxy maize starch and brown rice protein shake 30 minutes prior to training.
    - It felt like I was craving carbs. I would finish my normal meat based meals and have to keep eating. I used things like dark chocolate covered rice cakes as post meal snacks for when I was still hungry.
    - I felt that it had strong nutrient partitioning effects. Either glucose disposal or insulin regulation. I bumped my post workout shake to 150g of carbohydrates from a 50:50 blend of dextrose and maltodextrin and felt no adverse effects on blood sugar beyond what is normal post training for me.
    - I was not on a low carb routine prior to going on AnaBeta. I had no weight rebound the morning following higher carb days so the weight gained was not simply a rebound of glycogen storage. I tested this on multiple occasions and didn't find any acute weight gain. I did however find that my weight increased more consistently when carbs were high and when I slipped back into a lower carb routine my weight started declining.
    - I think I could have put more weight on if it wasn't a psychological barrier. I am a very clean eater and found it hard psychologically to want to eat again an hour after a meal. I am confident that if someone was using this who was happy to eat consistently and as much as they craved they would have much more dramatic increases in weight.
    - Vascularity during training was more pronounced.
    - I felt slightly fuller in general at all times. Not very noticeable but something was there.

    Personal Opinion:
    I enjoyed my run of this very much. I used to stay around 84kg consistently and would almost never fluctuate in weight at all, even after carb ups. When I went to 85kg it seemed out of the ordinary, I was very pleased with this as it was a 2kg increase very early on. When I peaked at 86kg yesterday I knew it was undeniably to do with AnaBeta. It is possible that when I weigh myself tomorrow that I would be at 86kg again but it is only fair to do the review as objectively as possible so took my morning weight at the time of writing this.

    I can conservatively take a .3" increase on my arm measurement and a 2kg increase in weight. I look slightly sharper which would indicate a slight drop in bodyfat with a higher net gain of lean body mass than the weight recorded. To most people this would not sound groundbreaking but to a natural athlete who eats clean and keeps their bodyfat low (no dirty bulking excuse for junk food here) it is far from it. I never get this much of a fluctuation and 4lbs~ in 5 weeks would work out to be 40lbs~ increase per year assuming a linear growth pattern, not a percentage growth pattern. Keeping at the same bodyfat I can safely say this is something I would be happy to take using my current condition as a starting point.

    Would I recommend it? Yes.

    Would I buy it out of my own money? Yes.

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    Does Anabeta has to be used in conjunction with carbohydrates? Could it be used on something like the anabolic diet?
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    Con- there is still not a name!

    I've mentioned it to a few of my friends to be on the look out for... And I've resorted to calling it the new PES unknown magic juice.

    Maybe it's been said... But eta on release?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicFox View Post
    Does Anabeta has to be used in conjunction with carbohydrates? Could it be used on something like the anabolic diet?
    I'll be using it on the The Metabolic Diet so I will let you know how it goes when I start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicFox View Post
    Does Anabeta has to be used in conjunction with carbohydrates? Could it be used on something like the anabolic diet?
    It does not have to be used with carbohydrates - not all my meals included carbohydrates, but trust me when I say that if you don't eat ENOUGH, actually in general with AnaBeta-01, period, your appetite goes through the ROOF! You'll just have to experiment and see for yourself, if not having many carbohydrates, then maybe use only 3 caps a day, 1-2 caps pre-training and 1 cap once or twice again during the day WITH meals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicFox View Post
    Does Anabeta has to be used in conjunction with carbohydrates? Could it be used on something like the anabolic diet?
    It does not have to be used with carbohydrate, but anabolics increase muscle glycogen retention so those who really want to see big changes in fullness will take it with their biggest meals since they usually contain the most carbs

    Quote Originally Posted by anabolicRyan1 View Post
    Con- there is still not a name!

    I've mentioned it to a few of my friends to be on the look out for... And I've resorted to calling it the new PES unknown magic juice.

    Maybe it's been said... But eta on release?
    6-8 weeks at the latest I would say, the first run will be limited but we are trying to get it out the door soon
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    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicFox View Post
    Thanks a lot
    No worries, bud
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    Quantitatively, what were gains in mass (total and LBM) and strength?

    Thanks, really interested in it!
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    I only read the first few posts of this thread but damn i'm sold!! Sign me up for a few bottles when this comes out. PES is becoming my favorite supp company Already taking Shift + Erase right now, I wouldn't mind adding this also
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    Quantitatively, what were gains in mass (total and LBM) and strength?

    Thanks, really interested in it!
    Gains in mass

    * Start - 11% bodyfat at 124.8 pounds.
    * Start to end of Week 1 - 126.6 pounds (+1.8 pounds with +0.7158 pounds of lean body mass and +1.0842 pounds of bodyfat) at 11.7% bodyfat (+0.7% bodyfat).
    * End of Week 1 to end of Week 2 -127.8 pounds (+1.2 pounds with +1.1874 pounds of lean body mass and +0.0126 pounds of bodyfat) at 11.6% bodyfat (-0.1% bodyfat).
    * Overall - +3 pounds (+2.2716 pounds of lean body mass and +0.7284 pounds of bodyfat) and + 0.6% bodyfat.

    Gains in Strength

    Even though gains were slowly made, this is not really applicable, since the focus on my training was not on strength (see below).

    * Week 1 - every other day was a day off, with single training on the days training completed.
    * Week 2 - trained five days, with four of those training days double sessions (am and pm).

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    Thanks Rosie, precise as usual. You set the gold standard for good reviewers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosie Chee Scott View Post
    Gains in mass

    * Start - 11% bodyfat at 124.8 pounds.
    * Start to end of Week 1 - 126.6 pounds (+1.8 pounds with +0.7158 pounds of lean body mass and +1.0842 pounds of bodyfat) at 11.7% bodyfat (+0.7% bodyfat).
    * End of Week 1 to end of Week 2 -127.8 pounds (+1.2 pounds with +1.1874 pounds of lean body mass and +0.0126 pounds of bodyfat) at 11.6% bodyfat (-0.1% bodyfat).
    * Overall - +3 pounds (+2.2716 pounds of lean body mass and +0.7284 pounds of bodyfat) and + 0.6% bodyfat.

    Gains in Strength

    Even though gains were slowly made, this is not really applicable, since the focus on my training was not on strength (see below).

    * Week 1 - every other day was a day off, with single training on the days training completed.
    * Week 2 - trained five days, with four of those training days double sessions (am and pm).



    Thanks Rosie, precise as usual! You set the standard for good reviewers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    Thanks Rosie, precise as usual. You set the gold standard for good reviewers!
    No worries, bud My AnaBeta-01 was by no means as comprehensive as others I have done, but in saying that, there were also no "claims" or "expected effects" as there are with other products I have reviewed, given that it was a beta product that I still have no idea re the ingredient/s.


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    This is great forum feedback that will PES bring even better products to the masses, so far everyone has responded positive to this compound.
    PES is going to make a splash sooner rather than later, that's for sure. Yes, AnaBeta-01 has to be one of the most promising products I have seen in a long time

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