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    looking for a cort blocker you don't have to cycle


    So yah, I'm looking for a decent enough method of blocking cortisol that you don't have to cycle and can just take as a standard part of your supp regimen. I like erase, but you have to cycle it (or you should) Maybe something a bit more natural. Is 4-5g of vit c enough to achieve this goal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakaveliThaDon View Post
    So yah, I'm looking for a decent enough method of blocking cortisol that you don't have to cycle and can just take as a standard part of your supp regimen. I like erase, but you have to cycle it (or you should) Maybe something a bit more natural. Is 4-5g of vit c enough to achieve this goal?
    vit c is a great way to reduce cortisol, i can't say for sure, but i don't think you'll find a supplement company that would recommend a cort product that can be run forever....maybe throw in some green tea extract as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by MakaveliThaDon View Post
    So yah, I'm looking for a decent enough method of blocking cortisol that you don't have to cycle and can just take as a standard part of your supp regimen. I like erase, but you have to cycle it (or you should) Maybe something a bit more natural. Is 4-5g of vit c enough to achieve this goal?
    If you're going to use a specific cortisol control product it's recommended to have time off every now and then, no matter the product. EndoAmp Max is one product that you might use as a staple. Vitamin C you can use as a staple, and I do, having 4-6 grams a day. What is going to be enough re cortisol control is also going to vary between individuals, and even using high-dosing Vitamin C perpetually, you can cycle on and off specific cortisol control products as recommended.

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    Any hormone modulating product has to be cycled, otherwise it loses effectiveness due to your body's homeostasis catching up and fighting against it
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    Any hormone modulating product has to be cycled, otherwise it loses effectiveness due to your body's homeostasis catching up and fighting against it
    Suicide inhibitors. Not sure there are any natural ones though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    Suicide inhibitors. Not sure there are any natural ones though...

    really? suicide inhibitors are cortisol blockers? I mean obviously I know they are AI's and all, but I did not know they also reduce cortisol. Is this only for suicide inhibitors as opposed to regular AI's, or both?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MakaveliThaDon View Post
    really? suicide inhibitors are cortisol blockers? I mean obviously I know they are AI's and all, but I did not know they also reduce cortisol. Is this only for suicide inhibitors as opposed to regular AI's, or both?
    Sorry I was referring to only his post regarding hormonal inhibitors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MakaveliThaDon View Post
    really? suicide inhibitors are cortisol blockers? I mean obviously I know they are AI's and all, but I did not know they also reduce cortisol. Is this only for suicide inhibitors as opposed to regular AI's, or both?
    A suicide inhibitor doesnt mean an AI, it is a way a compound in general inhibits a receptor, in general. Its just that in the bodybuilding community the only common suicide inhibitor spoken about are suicide AIs

    I dont know of any suicide cortisol inhibitors. Even a suicide inhibitors wont keep equal effectiveness forever, unless you keep increasing the dose. You body will produce more of the precursing hormone. Homeostasis

    Only way a suicide AI will remain effective at the same dose is if you are are TRT
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    From my experience at least
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    Why do you want to inhibit cortisol all the time? Cortisol has such a bad rap on these forums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    Why do you want to inhibit cortisol all the time? Cortisol has such a bad rap on these forums.
    I don't want to completely destroy it. I guess I should have clarified I just want something I can take permanently that makes sure it stays at a decent level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    A suicide inhibitor doesnt mean an AI, it is a way a compound in general inhibits a receptor, in general. Its just that in the bodybuilding community the only common suicide inhibitor spoken about are suicide AIs

    I dont know of any suicide cortisol inhibitors. Even a suicide inhibitors wont keep equal effectiveness forever, unless you keep increasing the dose. You body will produce more of the precursing hormone. Homeostasis

    Only way a suicide AI will remain effective at the same dose is if you are are TRT
    They are given to women with breast cancer for years on end, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MakaveliThaDon View Post
    I don't want to completely destroy it. I guess I should have clarified I just want something I can take permanently that makes sure it stays at a decent level.
    EndoAmp is your best bet imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    EndoAmp is your best bet imo.
    This or vitamin C is the best in terms of being a non-hormonal solution.
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    I think I'll stick with my vit C. Cheap, effective, no sides to worry about, plus all the other benefits it gives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    Any hormone modulating product has to be cycled, otherwise it loses effectiveness due to your body's homeostasis catching up and fighting against it
    This. I would recommend cycling two different cortisol modulators as their mechanisms of action may be different and homeostasis could be averted even after prolonged use. Just a theory though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosie Chee Scott View Post
    If you're going to use a specific cortisol control product it's recommended to have time off every now and then, no matter the product. EndoAmp Max is one product that you might use as a staple. Vitamin C you can use as a staple, and I do, having 4-6 grams a day. What is going to be enough re cortisol control is also going to vary between individuals, and even using high-dosing Vitamin C perpetually, you can cycle on and off specific cortisol control products as recommended.

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    I would definitely say maybe using EndoAmp for 4 weeks, followed by 4 weeks of vitamin C, and then keep going that way. 2 weeks off won't hurt much tbh in terms of normal cortisol levels.

    Is your cortisol high or...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy View Post
    This. I would recommend cycling two different cortisol modulators as their mechanisms of action may be different and homeostasis could be averted even after prolonged use. Just a theory though.



    I would definitely say maybe using EndoAmp for 4 weeks, followed by 4 weeks of vitamin C, and then keep going that way. 2 weeks off won't hurt much tbh in terms of normal cortisol levels.

    Is your cortisol high or...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    Why do you want to inhibit cortisol all the time? Cortisol has such a bad rap on these forums.
    Agreed!

    By trying to limit cortisol chronically the body will probably loose its own natural ability to naturally control cortisol on its own.

    Both anabolic androgens and cortisol play their roles in in recuperation, preventing muscle wasting, and enhancing tissue repair.

    This isnt to say cortisol is great but that I dont think one should try and limit it year round. The reason why exercise helps many reduce stress is due to the cortisol wave that occurs.

    IMO it is fine to use a cortisol product once in a while like for helping to drop some weight or during PCT, but year round inhibiting cortisol, or any biological process, can compromise the bodys ability to function and lead to metabolic problems down the road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    A suicide inhibitor doesnt mean an AI, it is a way a compound in general inhibits a receptor, in general. Its just that in the bodybuilding community the only common suicide inhibitor spoken about are suicide AIs

    I dont know of any suicide cortisol inhibitors. Even a suicide inhibitors wont keep equal effectiveness forever, unless you keep increasing the dose. You body will produce more of the precursing hormone. Homeostasis

    Only way a suicide AI will remain effective at the same dose is if you are are TRT

    I don't doubt you in the least. It's certainly not the first time I've heard/read this. Can you elaborate a bit on why this would be the case?

    It isn't quite clicking with my brain, lol. I mean test is test. Whether your body is producing a level of 700ng, or you take shots to put yourself at the level, the end result is that your test level is 700, (or whatever value you wanna use as an example) the effects of inhibiting the aromitizing of it would seem to be the same in either case to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MakaveliThaDon View Post
    I don't doubt you in the least. It's certainly not the first time I've heard/read this. Can you elaborate a bit on why this would be the case?

    It isn't quite clicking with my brain, lol. I mean test is test. Whether your body is producing a level of 700ng, or you take shots to put yourself at the level, the end result is that your test level is 700, (or whatever value you wanna use as an example) the effects of inhibiting the aromitizing of it would seem to be the same in either case to me.
    Taking synthetic test is not the same as producing the same level naturally. When you look at it on paper it is, but in reality it is not. When you take test, the pathway to producing test naturally is suppressed.

    When you are altering your natural levels of something, homeostasis will always act to try to bring your body back to how it was before whatever drug or substance you started taking was

    I guess its hard to explain or get your head around:

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    no,no I got you bro. That makes a bit more sense to me now. Thanks for the explanation
  

  
 

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