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    Pre-WO alternative for a Pre-WO junkie


    I love preworkouts. Im way past due for an off-cycle of PreWO's. I barely feel the focus, intensity, and pumps that i used to feel.

    So instead of me searching around for the latest greatest Pre Workout i'd like to see if there is something else i could take that would get me going?

    OR--- maybe a stim-free PreWO ?

    any advise is appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 808rebel View Post
    I love preworkouts. Im way past due for an off-cycle of PreWO's. I barely feel the focus, intensity, and pumps that i used to feel.

    So instead of me searching around for the latest greatest Pre Workout i'd like to see if there is something else i could take that would get me going?

    OR--- maybe a stim-free PreWO ?

    any advise is appreciated.
    I'm a diehard stimie myself so I couldn't imagine not using them. In the past month though, I've added an intra BCAA supp into my daily routine and I don't know if it's a placebo or not, but it seems to keep me going during my late night workouts where I dose only half the stims. I'll usually be gassed out after about an hour during late nights, but this past month I've been wanting to keep at it.
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    interesting. i've always wanted to take a BCAA supp. it almost seems like a no-brainer from what i've heard about them, i just havent..lol...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 808rebel View Post
    interesting. i've always wanted to take a BCAA supp. it almost seems like a no-brainer from what i've heard about them, i just havent..lol...
    Yeah, there are a lot out there but I've been using Scivation Xtend. It tastes pretty good and mixes really well. No grit floating around or anything like that. I know there are a lot of other better products out there now, but it was cheap so I bought 2 tubs to try. Once this runs out I'm gonna search around for my next brand.
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    What i'm trying tomorrow for that particularly is a combination of APS creatine nitrate caps along with VPX power shock a EAA + BCAA Nitrate product. So no stims. But the nitrates give an energizing effect.
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    I like using PWOs with stims, but also PWOs without stims.. Taking a break from them is a good approach, let the body recover from all that extra stress... And if you ask me, you get more bang for the buck if you cycle them.. I'm currently overdue with my cycle of PWOs, I really don't feel em anymore, no beta-alanine tingling, no extra focus or intensity.. But I still keep taking them, cause I wanna have something before the workout.. But it's a waste of money really..


    Kanakafarian: I don't think it's a placebo, many people feel that they get extra energy from BCAA/EAAs, I'm one of them.. Just as you describes it, I too usually feel gassed out after a hard days work, hitting it hard at the gym, etc.. But the extra energy from BCAA do really help...

    So with that, I'm planning on taking some rest from my current PWOs for about 4-6 weeks and just use AXcell (BCAA) instead... Cause as I stated above, I feel that the PWO is overdue and it doesn't give me anything extra.. But taking BCAA during the workouts really gives me a little extra energy and I have something to take before the workout too
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    Quote Originally Posted by kanakafarian View Post
    Yeah, there are a lot out there but I've been using Scivation Xtend. It tastes pretty good and mixes really well. No grit floating around or anything like that. I know there are a lot of other better products out there now, but it was cheap so I bought 2 tubs to try. Once this runs out I'm gonna search around for my next brand.
    I never gotten the chance to try Scivation Xtend, but I heard that it mixes well and that the taste is really good.. But as you wrote, there's alot better out there, but I will probably buy a tube or two, just to try the taste...
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    Ya know what I like for a pre-w/o boost? Skittles. Just a little bag like the ones that you get for Halloween. Either that, or something similar. Just gives that little extra sparkle to the day...and a little extra sugar for the fire that I'm about to light in the weightroom.

    As mentioned, BCAAs. Do it. No questions asked. If you're not training with them, then ... Why aren't you using them again??? Seriously - do it.

    Just because you threw the word "pump" out there, I'm going to throw in a recommendation for something that's often overlooked, very effective, very very economical, and will actually mix in really really well with your chosen BCAAs (which you are now going to go out and buy because you feel like a bit of a fool for not having done so already, right?) Controlled Labs Glycergrow. Mix a few scoops in your pre-w/o drink, chug it down, and enjoy. The "pump" from it is quite nice. Comparing it on a price/serving level, it's WAY better than other dedicated pump products out there. Last time I had it, I did a WHOPPING 6 scoops per serving - WAY more than recommended, but I am a bit of a big tool - and using it on w/o days as suggested, one tub lasted me about 3 months. Simply can not beat that for economy!

    I say give 'em a try. Go with a BCAA and Glycergrow. Spend a few bucks more for a quality BCAA like Xtend or AXcell (which you can get for HALF OFF on the AX site right now, WITH a free shaker), and spend a few bucks less on a quality pump product by going with GG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 808rebel View Post
    I love preworkouts. Im way past due for an off-cycle of PreWO's. I barely feel the focus, intensity, and pumps that i used to feel.

    So instead of me searching around for the latest greatest Pre Workout i'd like to see if there is something else i could take that would get me going?

    OR--- maybe a stim-free PreWO ?

    any advise is appreciated.
    Quote Originally Posted by kanakafarian View Post
    I'm a diehard stimie myself so I couldn't imagine not using them...
    I used to be like you, kanakafarian. However, since using Assault, my need for stimulants has been quelled.

    808rebel, you shouldn't rely on a product to give you focus, intensity, and pumps - focus starts in the mind, intensity can be manipulated through training variables, and pumps can be achieved also through training variables as well as nutrition.

    However, if you HAVE to use a preworkout, I recommend checking out Assault (note that there is a stim-free version coming mid-2011). For my comprehensive notes and thoughts on it, please see my complete review at Rosie's Review of Assault.

    Otherwise, re focus and intensity, if you are reliant on stimulants, perhaps check out something like Adaptogens. I know the Suma Root in Assault and Rhodiola Rosea in IGF-2 make a definite difference to how I feel.

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    was assault changed, i used it few months ago and it was real good, i grabbed a few recently, especially with the added con-cret, and its as bad as super-dump 250 now!!!!! im really disapointed as it works good still, but damn i get home from the gym real fast!!!
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    Try nothing. Thats right, take the next few months and use absolutely nothing!! You'll soon realize how very little (if any) all of that bull**** really helped.
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    If you want good pumps just have some carbs before your workout! I had a scoop of matodextrine 30 mins before my workout yesterday. Huge Pump!

    I know you say your a stim junkie, but id try to avoid anything with 1/3 dymeth in it. I anything with that in it destroys me and leaves me functioning poorly the next day

    Honestly i was supprised witht he pic up that Optimum nutricians Amino energy gave. I think it used caffine and green tea extract. Its kind of a Bcaa+stim in one.
    I also think san fierce is strong, i just dont like the glycocyamine in that. I wouldnt use anything else if they took that out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sking6464 View Post
    was assault changed, i used it few months ago and it was real good, i grabbed a few recently, especially with the added con-cret, and its as bad as super-dump 250 now!!!!! im really disapointed as it works good still, but damn i get home from the gym real fast!!!
    There was a small reformulation, I believe - new flavouring. I haven't had any unpleasant experiences with Assault - just started the new Green Apple flavour today, as a matter of fact - but everyone is different, so

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    Quote Originally Posted by Docmattic View Post
    If you want good pumps just have some carbs before your workout! I had a scoop of matodextrine 30 mins before my workout yesterday. Huge Pump!

    I know you say your a stim junkie, but id try to avoid anything with 1/3 dymeth in it. I anything with that in it destroys me and leaves me functioning poorly the next day

    Honestly i was supprised witht he pic up that Optimum nutricians Amino energy gave. I think it used caffine and green tea extract. Its kind of a Bcaa+stim in one.
    I also think san fierce is strong, i just dont like the glycocyamine in that. I wouldnt use anything else if they took that out.
    To each their own. DMAA works wonders for me and I feel normal the next day. I absolutely love the stuff but can't take it too late in the evening otherwise I won't be able to sleep.
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    For a stim free option, id give hemavol a look. It's pretty strong at what it is designed to do with increasing plasma volume and is very versatile in pre-workout stacks. IMO, def worth a look at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-AD View Post
    Ya know what I like for a pre-w/o boost? Skittles. Just a little bag like the ones that you get for Halloween. Either that, or something similar. Just gives that little extra sparkle to the day...and a little extra sugar for the fire that I'm about to light in the weightroom.

    As mentioned, BCAAs. Do it. No questions asked. If you're not training with them, then ... Why aren't you using them again??? Seriously - do it.

    Just because you threw the word "pump" out there, I'm going to throw in a recommendation for something that's often overlooked, very effective, very very economical, and will actually mix in really really well with your chosen BCAAs (which you are now going to go out and buy because you feel like a bit of a fool for not having done so already, right?) Controlled Labs Glycergrow. Mix a few scoops in your pre-w/o drink, chug it down, and enjoy. The "pump" from it is quite nice. Comparing it on a price/serving level, it's WAY better than other dedicated pump products out there. Last time I had it, I did a WHOPPING 6 scoops per serving - WAY more than recommended, but I am a bit of a big tool - and using it on w/o days as suggested, one tub lasted me about 3 months. Simply can not beat that for economy!

    I say give 'em a try. Go with a BCAA and Glycergrow. Spend a few bucks more for a quality BCAA like Xtend or AXcell (which you can get for HALF OFF on the AX site right now, WITH a free shaker), and spend a few bucks less on a quality pump product by going with GG.

    /my 3 cents.
    ive always wanted to try this product bc of the ingredient profile...but i have no idea how much actual bcaa im getting perscoop, or anything else really. So i always just passed on it.

    Also do intra-wo bcaa really make i difference? im doing IF right now and it only suggests pre-wo bcaa
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    I've started taking BCAAs for the past 3 days...no preworkout. Went with Modern BCAA by USP. great product. I take it like i would a preworkout drink and im having great lifts, good energy...i just dont have that "stim" type energy, but im fine. Im using self-motivation to give me the kick that i usually seek from pre-workouts.
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    i've been doing 4 creatine nitrate caps preworkout, with VPX's powershock (8g of EAAs + 3g of BCAA nitrates plus I think beta alanine nitrate and something else) and doing that without a stim or anything else, and the pumps are crazy, so is the energy
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    Quote Originally Posted by 808rebel View Post
    I love preworkouts. Im way past due for an off-cycle of PreWO's. I barely feel the focus, intensity, and pumps that i used to feel.

    So instead of me searching around for the latest greatest Pre Workout i'd like to see if there is something else i could take that would get me going?

    OR--- maybe a stim-free PreWO ?

    any advise is appreciated.

    i believe Musclepharm is coming out witha stim free version of assault soon....
    that way you till get full doses of citrulline malate, creatine, and beta alanine not to mention adaptogens to increase performance but its all stim free for ya...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JN230 View Post
    i believe Musclepharm is coming out witha stim free version of assault soon....
    that way you till get full doses of citrulline malate, creatine, and beta alanine not to mention adaptogens to increase performance but its all stim free for ya...
    i might look into that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JN230 View Post
    i believe Musclepharm is coming out witha stim free version of assault soon....
    that way you till get full doses of citrulline malate, creatine, and beta alanine not to mention adaptogens to increase performance but its all stim free for ya...
    Sure are - mid-2011 (I mentioned this earlier, I believe).

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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    What i'm trying tomorrow for that particularly is a combination of APS creatine nitrate caps along with VPX power shock a EAA + BCAA Nitrate product. So no stims. But the nitrates give an energizing effect.
    I have yet to try the nitrates yet but they look good.


    Quote Originally Posted by kanakafarian View Post
    To each their own. DMAA works wonders for me and I feel normal the next day. I absolutely love the stuff but can't take it too late in the evening otherwise I won't be able to sleep.
    Me too, love DMAA!


    I like agmatine. There are a few quality products out there that have it, such as Man Sports BluePrint, Nitrozine, and of course HemaVol.

    Personally I have found that whenever I take a week or two completely off of all stims (perfect for a deload week), and allow my adrenal glands to have time off, then the next time I take a stim, I only need a fraction of what I did before for the same effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
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