Casein Protein Bad for your health

  1. Casein Protein Bad for your health


    I know this Bodybuilder that trains in our gym, I talked to him about Casein and he said casein is a bad quality protein that puts too much stress on your liver and kidneys and that's why it's slow digestion...

    and also jay cutler wakes up everynight and drinks a whey protein shake so I guess something is on with casein


  2. Putting "stress" on your liver and kidney's resulting in slow digestion... broscience at its finest.

  3. whatever you do dont ask him for advice on a cycle
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by Markusrulezzz View Post
    I know this Bodybuilder that trains in our gym, I talked to him about Casein and he said casein is a bad quality protein that puts too much stress on your liver and kidneys and that's why it's slow digestion...

    and also jay cutler wakes up everynight and drinks a whey protein shake so I guess something is on with casein
    The digestion rate has to do with what happens in the stomach and intestines. As for stress on the kidneys, evidence has been shown on both sides of the arguement, but it doesn't matter what kind of protein you use. Excess protein is excess protein. Here is a good paper discussing high protein and stress on the kidneys: ww w.nutritionandmetabolism.co m/content/2/1/25

    (sorry...don't have enough posts to post a link yet without putting the spaces in)

    As for Jay...well, he didn't get that big on protein shakes alone

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Aleksandar37 View Post
    The digestion rate has to do with what happens in the stomach and intestines. As for stress on the kidneys, evidence has been shown on both sides of the arguement, but it doesn't matter what kind of protein you use. Excess protein is excess protein. Here is a good paper discussing high protein and stress on the kidneys: ww w.nutritionandmetabolism.co m/content/2/1/25

    (sorry...don't have enough posts to post a link yet without putting the spaces in)

    As for Jay...well, he didn't get that big on protein shakes alone
    Good article, nice posting
    I'm back from a longggg nap!

  6. Dr. Dean Ornish replied to a question and stated this about
    casein from dairy products:

    "Also, there is some evidence from studies indicating that
    animal protein -- particularly casein, which is found in dairy
    (including nonfat dairy) -- may promote some forms of cancer,
    at least in animals. At Cornell University, for example, Dr.
    T. Colin Campbell and his colleagues have found that casein is
    a strong promoter of tumor growth. Other studies have shown
    that casein helps promote the growth of coronary artery
    blockages in animals."

  7. also does anyone else notice it's kinda sticky ?

  8. Its just a protein source, just have some whole food protein with some veggies and healthy fats to slow digestion before bed and be done with the protein arguments. To mush attention to detail.

  9. Who gives a crap about what Jay Cutler does?.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Markusrulezzz View Post
    Dr. Dean Ornish replied to a question and stated this about
    casein from dairy products:

    "Also, there is some evidence from studies indicating that
    animal protein -- particularly casein, which is found in dairy
    (including nonfat dairy) -- may promote some forms of cancer,
    at least in animals. At Cornell University, for example, Dr.
    T. Colin Campbell and his colleagues have found that casein is
    a strong promoter of tumor growth. Other studies have shown
    that casein helps promote the growth of coronary artery
    blockages in animals."
    This is because it is high(er) in growth factors, I believe. Look if your gonna stay away from casein then your gonna have to ditch milk and cottage cheese. Everyone knows that cancer is spurred on from environmental causes...I wouldnt worry about protein.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Aleksandar37 View Post
    The digestion rate has to do with what happens in the stomach and intestines. As for stress on the kidneys, evidence has been shown on both sides of the arguement, but it doesn't matter what kind of protein you use. Excess protein is excess protein. Here is a good paper discussing high protein and stress on the kidneys: ww w.nutritionandmetabolism.co m/content/2/1/25

    (sorry...don't have enough posts to post a link yet without putting the spaces in)

    As for Jay...well, he didn't get that big on protein shakes alone
    Good post Saved the paper for future reading. I have yet to see any research that would suggest high protein intake would lead to renal problems in a person with normal functioning kidneys. Only thing I have ever read that connects high protein to renal problems have only been done on individuals who had pre existing kidney problems
    "The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance." - Socrates

  12. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Good post Saved the paper for future reading. I have yet to see any research that would suggest high protein intake would lead to renal problems in a person with normal functioning kidneys. Only thing I have ever read that connects high protein to renal problems have only been done on individuals who had pre existing kidney problems
    Agreed. Since I started training seriously about 9 years ago, I haven't had a SINGLE day where I've taken in less than 200 grams of protein a day, 80 percent of that time it's been 300 plus a day, but certainly not a single day for over 9 years where it's been below 200, and I just recently had kidney/liver values tested with my MD, and both came back in the normal-good range.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Markusrulezzz View Post
    Dr. Dean Ornish replied to a question and stated this about
    casein from dairy products:

    "Also, there is some evidence from studies indicating that
    animal protein -- particularly casein, which is found in dairy
    (including nonfat dairy) -- may promote some forms of cancer,
    at least in animals. At Cornell University, for example, Dr.
    T. Colin Campbell and his colleagues have found that casein is
    a strong promoter of tumor growth. Other studies have shown
    that casein helps promote the growth of coronary artery
    blockages in animals."
    explain the evidence or show it. Did you know that eating is a strong promoter of tumor growth as well?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Markusrulezzz View Post
    also does anyone else notice it's kinda sticky ?
    When casein reaches an acidic environment it somewhat curdles (think cottage cheese). While casein has a high rate of allergy (milk in general has this), saying it's bad for you is not only inaccurate, it's a retardedly broad statement.
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  15. Casein is a protein source - that's all. By the time your liver and kidneys see it - it is really no different from any other protein.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by HondaV65 View Post
    Casein is a protein source - that's all. By the time your liver and kidneys see it - it is really no different from any other protein.
    Technically, all protein sources put some strain on the kidneys (Google PRAL for info), but saying casein is any worse is just wrong.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Technically, all protein sources put some strain on the kidneys (Google PRAL for info), but saying casein is any worse is just wrong.
    If you mix cassein with hydrochloric acid at a pH of 1, it makes arsenic.

    C'mon, everybody knows this.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by Markusrulezzz View Post
    Dr. Dean Ornish replied to a question and stated this about
    casein from dairy products:

    "Also, there is some evidence from studies indicating that
    animal protein -- particularly casein, which is found in dairy
    (including nonfat dairy) -- may promote some forms of cancer,
    at least in animals. At Cornell University, for example, Dr.
    T. Colin Campbell and his colleagues have found that casein is
    a strong promoter of tumor growth. Other studies have shown
    that casein helps promote the growth of coronary artery
    blockages in animals."
    First, yes casein is thicker and stickier than whey, but this is simply because of the component of milk that it derives from. But unless you're injecting it into your veins, that "sticky" part won't cause artery blockage

    Dr. Dean Ornish has good intentions, but he is also a proponent of vegan diets, so of course he wants to attack milk based protein sources. The problem with these studies is that it is near impossible to say it is just drinking milk that causes these cancers since we don't know what causes cancer. Also, most times the subjects have horrible diet practices so you can really pick anything in their diet and find a correlation between that and cancer risk or artery blockage since they were already at risk by being obese.

    I personally have not seen any studies that are going to make me stop using whey or casein, but if you are worried about it, then don't use it. Simple as that.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    If you mix cassein with hydrochloric acid at a pH of 1, it makes arsenic.

    C'mon, everybody knows this.
    I usually just drink my hydrochloric acid straight and then chase it with some everclear.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  20. Casein gives you the farts- Fact.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Casein gives you the farts- Fact.
    Well I haven't been farting.

    Casien is my primary protein shake. I use the Gold Standard stuff.

    Now - immediately before a workout I'll drink a half-serving of ProPeptide. And then after - a full serving of ProPeptide. All other times I use the Casien.

  22. It gives me the farts pretty bad. I like Whey. I've used Casein before and its not worth the price to me. I used to use ON 100% brand vanilla flavor and mix it with some natural PB. Really good...

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    I usually just drink my hydrochloric acid straight and then chase it with some everclear.
    Everclear is for wimps.

    Real men drink gasoline.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Casein gives you the farts- Fact.
    Casein may give you the farts, but their is nothing universal.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  25. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Casein may give you the farts, but their is nothing universal.

    Indeed, does nothing to me.

    Probiotics are your BFF NOW foods 8 billion acidophilus

  26. Ok it gives me the Farts. I stand corrected.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by Aleksandar37 View Post
    First, yes casein is thicker and stickier than whey, but this is simply because of the component of milk that it derives from. But unless you're injecting it into your veins, that "sticky" part won't cause artery blockage

    Dr. Dean Ornish has good intentions, but he is also a proponent of vegan diets, so of course he wants to attack milk based protein sources. The problem with these studies is that it is near impossible to say it is just drinking milk that causes these cancers since we don't know what causes cancer. Also, most times the subjects have horrible diet practices so you can really pick anything in their diet and find a correlation between that and cancer risk or artery blockage since they were already at risk by being obese.

    I personally have not seen any studies that are going to make me stop using whey or casein, but if you are worried about it, then don't use it. Simple as that.
    I was going to bring that up about Dr Ornish but choose it not to, but it is a very valid point. He does push a high carb diet book so it is in his best interest to try and say high protein is bad for you. Ever read any of Dr Eades critques of those studies?


    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    I usually just drink my hydrochloric acid straight and then chase it with some everclear.
    "The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance." - Socrates

  28. Lol, of course casein triggers tumor growth - amino acids stimulate mTORC1 which results in cell growth and proliferation. That's part of why you eat and it holds true whether the cell is healthy or cancerous, but it DOES NOT mean that casein CAUSES cancer.
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  29. Hey let's put a call into the US Senate and see if we can get the **** banned out of Casien?

    It prolly wouldn't be too hard! LOL
  

  
 

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