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    best pump


    Creatine Nitrate vs GPLC. GO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    Creatine Nitrate vs GPLC. GO!
    I've never used creatine nitrate (but keep hearing good things about it), and GPLC does nothing for me (I am one of the rare people who are non-responders to NO and similar products).

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    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    Creatine Nitrate vs GPLC. GO!
    I have used Pre-max I am still using it.. 4.5g GPLC..... I am currently using Creatine Nitrate plus Pre-max.... I can tell that those two combo is crazy and the pump I got the other day doing Bi was volcanic... I did try the CN by it self for leg day and went sking yeterday well I can say that I could not get my ski boots on becasue my Calf did not fit!!! I have never tried GPLC stright up... But Can tell you CN is the real deal and GPLC wel lI have allways used Pre-max since last year and that supp is the bomb.. put those two togather you will not be able to fit into your T's or Jeans!!!!!! good Stuff.

    .I want to try APS Mesomorph that alos has 4.5g of GPLC
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    Quote Originally Posted by islandmagic View Post
    I have used Pre-max I am still using it.. 4.5g GPLC..... I am currently using Creatine Nitrate plus Pre-max.... I can tell that those two combo is crazy and the pump I got the other day doing Bi was volcanic... I did try the CN by it self for leg day and went sking yeterday well I can say that I could not get my ski boots on becasue my Calf did not fit!!! I have never tried GPLC stright up... But Can tell you CN is the real deal and GPLC wel lI have allways used Pre-max since last year and that supp is the bomb.. put those two togather you will not be able to fit into your T's or Jeans!!!!!! good Stuff.

    .I want to try APS Mesomorph that alos has 4.5g of GPLC


    The newer version does not contain GPLC now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
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    The newer version does not contain GPLC now...
    WTF No and it still cost so same--Are BSing me???
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    Quote Originally Posted by islandmagic View Post
    I have used Pre-max I am still using it.. 4.5g GPLC..... I am currently using Creatine Nitrate plus Pre-max.... I can tell that those two combo is crazy and the pump I got the other day doing Bi was volcanic... I did try the CN by it self for leg day and went sking yeterday well I can say that I could not get my ski boots on becasue my Calf did not fit!!! I have never tried GPLC stright up... But Can tell you CN is the real deal and GPLC wel lI have allways used Pre-max since last year and that supp is the bomb.. put those two togather you will not be able to fit into your T's or Jeans!!!!!! good Stuff.

    .I want to try APS Mesomorph that alos has 4.5g of GPLC
    I want to try this, so far I have only used GPLC/Pre Max, and would love to add in creatine nitrate. For now GPLC is the best, actually it's just right, not overpowering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by islandmagic View Post
    WTF No and it still cost so same--Are BSing me???
    This is not accurate at all. PreMax still contains the clinically proven 4.5g dose of GPLC that it always has. Which IMO is the king of pumps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by islandmagic View Post
    WTF No and it still cost so same--Are BSing me???
    If you look hard enough you can find it for $32.50 a bottle and we just had the bogo deal going on.

    Mesomorph contains high amounts of Beta Alanine, Citrulline Malate, Icarrin, Agmatine Sulfate, Glucoronolactone and also added Creatine Nitrate to the new formula. Everyone doing logs on Mesomorph are saying it's the best Pre-workout they have ever used....that says it all right there.

    The old formula had 3g's which wasn't the clinical dose so we made Nitrozine which has 4.5g's of GPLC and 1g of Agmatine Sulfate.

    I'm using Mesomorph/Creatine Nitrate/Nitrozine at the moment and you can't get a better pump then Creatine Nitrate, I feel GPLC is more for endurance and performance, also helps with Vascularity and other positives, but can't compare the pump effect from Creatine Nitrate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    This is not accurate at all. PreMax still contains the clinically proven 4.5g dose of GPLC that it always has. Which IMO is the king of pumps.
    dosent ur site sell pure gplc? any discounts i was thinking of adding it to jacked?
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    Yes sir, we sell it both as powder and as caps. It's one of my favorite PP products. Sponsor10 for a 10% discount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgementDay View Post
    If you look hard enough you can find it for $32.50 a bottle and we just had the bogo deal going on.

    Mesomorph contains high amounts of Beta Alanine, Citrulline Malate, Icarrin, Agmatine Sulfate, Glucoronolactone and also added Creatine Nitrate to the new formula. Everyone doing logs on Mesomorph are saying it's the best Pre-workout they have ever used....that says it all right there.

    The old formula had 3g's which wasn't the clinical dose so we made Nitrozine which has 4.5g's of GPLC and 1g of Agmatine Sulfate.

    I'm using Mesomorph/Creatine Nitrate/Nitrozine at the moment and you can't get a better pump then Creatine Nitrate, I feel GPLC is more for endurance and performance, also helps with Vascularity and other positives, but can't compare the pump effect from Creatine Nitrate.

    Mesomorph/Creatine Nitrate/ Nitrozine <---Best Natural stack on the planet IMO
    I take your world because u did tell me CN Was the truth.. Why not just add the full serving of GPLC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasen View Post
    dosent ur site sell pure gplc? any discounts i was thinking of adding it to jacked?
    GPLC

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    Many thanks
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    the best pump i have had is on n.o. bomb at 6 caps and carnobolic at 4 caps. i also take a black cat for a stim. it doesnt get any better than this for me.
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    Not totally OT, but I thought "pumps" were proven to be relatively "useless" aside from the short term aesthetic effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Not totally OT, but I thought "pumps" were proven to be relatively "useless" aside from the short term aesthetic effects.
    lol-useless!!!!!


    not useless when pumps translate into growth. i have put a full 3/4 inch on my arms in the last month and a half using APS products. gplc is overrated as well as being over priced-the results i have gotten from mesomorph/creatine nitrate blow away what i got from gplc.


    APS is on the cutting edge....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Not totally OT, but I thought "pumps" were proven to be relatively "useless" aside from the short term aesthetic effects.
    Pumps are no indication of the quality of a training session, no (they're more a "feel good/look good" thing, IMO), so one should never focus on this. Your blood vessels can be dilated without you getting a pump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    lol-useless!!!!!


    not useless when pumps translate into growth. i have put a full 3/4 inch on my arms in the last month and a half using APS products. gplc is overrated as well as being over priced-the results i have gotten from mesomorph/creatine nitrate blow away what i got from gplc.


    APS is on the cutting edge....
    T, I don't doubt your results with the aps products (I myself will eventually try them out) but to compare using multiple products (one with multiple ingredients) to a one ingredient product is pretty worthless, it's like saying "you know bread doesn't do it for me, because it doesn't taste like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich."
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    T, I don't doubt your results with the aps products (I myself will eventually try them out) but to compare using multiple products (one with multiple ingredients) to a one ingredient product is pretty worthless, it's like saying "you know bread doesn't do it for me, because it doesn't taste like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich."
    creatine nitrate versus gplc.

    try the creatine nitrate then we will talk.

    there is no comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    creatine nitrate versus gplc.

    try the creatine nitrate then we will talk.

    there is no comparison.
    but the pumps are secondary to any growth, it happens that creatine nitrate does both. Try 2 tbsp of vegetable glycerine plus 3g beta alanine pre- workout. You'll get the most insane pumps, but that doesn't mean you'll get growth.

    Add viagra or cialis to make it even crazier.
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    Agreed

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosie Chee Scott View Post
    Pumps are no indication of the quality of a training session, no (they're more a "feel good/look good" thing, IMO), so one should never focus on this. Your blood vessels can be dilated without you getting a pump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    but the pumps are secondary to any growth, it happens that creatine nitrate does both. Try 2 tbsp of vegetable glycerine plus 3g beta alanine pre- workout. You'll get the most insane pumps, but that doesn't mean you'll get growth.

    Add viagra or cialis to make it even crazier.
    you are correct-creatine nitrate does both.

    if you try mesomorph it has a whopping 4 gms of beta alanine in every scoop-plus the creatine nitrate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    you are correct-creatine nitrate does both.

    if you try mesomorph it has a whopping 4 gms of beta alanine in every scoop-plus the creatine nitrate.
    And how about I add GPLC to this mix

    By the way, it is apparent to me that from feedback and from the science and research, that the creatine nitrate and GPLC are the only products that actually show improved performance for "NO" type supplements.

    "The truth is, research clearly shows that oral supplementation of arginine based amino acids do not increase circulating NO levels or enhance blood flow, even at doses as high as 20g/day. (1-3) The only time arginine has ever shown a positive effect on blood flow is by large dosages given via intravenouss injection. (1)

    While arginine may be the primary precursor to NO biosynthesis, it has not been found to be the rate limiting component of NO production. Rather, nitric oxide synthases such as endothelial nitric oxide synthase (eNOS) appears to be the primary rate limiting factor. (4)

    This is where Glycine Propionyl-L-Carnitine (GlycoCarn) comes to dominate the market. GlycoCarn has been proven to increase the endothelial nitric oxide synthase and nitric oxide (NO) levels in human muscle. (5) Human clincal trials have also demonstrated Glycocarn to increase nitric oxide (NO) levels from exercise stimulation"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    And how about I add GPLC to this mix

    By the way, it is apparent to me that from feedback and from the science and research, that the creatine nitrate and GPLC are the only products that actually show improved performance for "NO" type supplements.

    "The truth is, research clearly shows that oral supplementation of arginine based amino acids do not increase circulating NO levels or enhance blood flow, even at doses as high as 20g/day. (1-3) The only time arginine has ever shown a positive effect on blood flow is by large dosages given via intravenouss injection. (1)

    While arginine may be the primary precursor to NO biosynthesis, it has not been found to be the rate limiting component of NO production. Rather, nitric oxide synthases such as endothelial nitric oxide synthase (eNOS) appears to be the primary rate limiting factor. (4)

    This is where Glycine Propionyl-L-Carnitine (GlycoCarn) comes to dominate the market. GlycoCarn has been proven to increase the endothelial nitric oxide synthase and nitric oxide (NO) levels in human muscle. (5) Human clincal trials have also demonstrated Glycocarn to increase nitric oxide (NO) levels from exercise stimulation"
    well with creatine nitrate not only do you get the added benefit of the nitrates, but APS NUTRITION said on shr that studies showed that bonding the nitrate to creatine made creatine's solubility 1000x better- and we already know that creatine by itself is very proven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    you are correct-creatine nitrate does both.

    if you try mesomorph it has a whopping 4 gms of beta alanine in every scoop-plus the creatine nitrate.
    It sure does! Another great pump product I've used is Glycergrow, ya get some crazy pumps but no growth what so ever, Creatine Nitrate seems to add nice mass and strength, pumps are just a bonus
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    Pumps can be a bonus, I am looking for actual improved performance from an NO product, which is why I use Glycocarn, trust me I will be using the creatine nitrate soon and I will definitely be logging it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    Pumps can be a bonus, I am looking for actual improved performance from an NO product, which is why I use Glycocarn, trust me I will be using the creatine nitrate soon and I will definitely be logging it.
    ryan-i damn near guarantee you will be impressed by creatine nitrate.
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    ^^I think so too, just have to wait on funds and it's on!

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    The Mesomorph/ Creatine Nitrate/ Nitrozine or any GPLC 4.5g product, stack is pretty killer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosie Chee Scott View Post
    Pumps are no indication of the quality of a training session, no (they're more a "feel good/look good" thing, IMO), so one should never focus on this. Your blood vessels can be dilated without you getting a pump.

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    mesomorph. by far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rojasdave View Post
    mesomorph. by far.
    you know it-love that stuff.
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    yea it was amazing. im on assault now and love that too.
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    I see on Nutra that Mesomorph has been disco'd by APS.. Anything compare, or anywhere else I can find it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced View Post
    I see on Nutra that Mesomorph has been disco'd by APS.. Anything compare, or anywhere else I can find it?
    nutra i supposed to be carrying aps products soon-starting this coming week i hope!!!!!




    aps is a very hot brand on this forum-can't believe nutra is dragging their feet on picking them up-amazing?????
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    I'm curiois what's so uniqye about nitrate, what is it
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    I just picked up some APS Creatine Nitrate... Been using GLPC for a while. We'll see the verdict soon enough.
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