kill Fat Cells

Page 1 of 2 12 Last
  1. Elite Member
    MAxximal's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"  235 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Age
    37
    Posts
    6,901
    Rep Power
    122081
    Level
    55
    Lv. Percent
    25.23%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting ProPosting Authority

    kill Fat Cells


    Hey Guys

    I read some studies about "killing fat cells" what did you think?

    Resveratrol and Quercetin
    Enhanced inhibition of adipogenesis and induction ... [Life Sci. 2008] - PubMed result

    Quercetin and Caffeine
    Potentiation of beta-adrenoceptor agonist-mediated... [Biochem Pharmacol. 1994] - PubMed result

    CLA and l-Arginine
    Dietary Supplementation of l-Arginine and Conjugated Linoleic Acid Reduces Retroperitoneal Fat Mass and Increases Lean Body Mass in Rats ? J. Nutr.

    CLA has been shown to cause apoptosis in rats but in human??
    studies have also shown that CLA blocks the ‘fat sensor’ PPAR-gamma.

    Curcumin also inhibits the production of PPAR-gamma, the sensor that alerts fat cells to the presence of fat. If the sensor works less well, fat cells absorb less fat.

    Curcumin Inhibits Adipogenesis in 3T3-L1 Adipocytes and Angiogenesis and Obesity in C57/BL Mice ? J. Nutr.

    Capsaicin inhibit fat cell growth?
    Effects of novel capsinoid treatment on fatness and energy metabolism in humans: possible pharmacogenetic implications ? Am J Clin Nutr

    Dihydrocapsiate is similar to capsaicin, which is known for its thermogenic properties
    Effect of dihydrocapsiate on resting metabolic rate in humans ? Am J Clin Nutr
    SNS Online Representative
    Maxximal @ seriousnutritionsolutions.com

    Got Glycophase ...?



  2. Advanced Member
    bluehealer's Avatar
    Stats
    5'7"  171 lbs.
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    997
    Rep Power
    3531
    Level
    24
    Lv. Percent
    64.78%

    Thanks for posting these, Maxximal.

    I should have payed attention in school, then maybe I could understand the terminology in these studies.
  3. Elite Member
    MAxximal's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"  235 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Age
    37
    Posts
    6,901
    Rep Power
    122081
    Level
    55
    Lv. Percent
    25.23%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting ProPosting Authority

    Quote Originally Posted by bluehealer View Post
    Thanks for posting these, Maxximal.

    I should have payed attention in school, then maybe I could understand the terminology in these studies.
    not worry here to help I`m learn somenthing new all days
    SNS Online Representative
    Maxximal @ seriousnutritionsolutions.com

    Got Glycophase ...?


    •   
       

  4. PESCIENCE.com
    nattydisaster's Avatar
    Stats
    6'0"  0 lbs.
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    10,330
    Rep Power
    3607565
    Level
    84
    Lv. Percent
    14.38%
    Achievements Activity AuthorityActivity ProActivity VeteranPosting ProPosting Authority

    Hmmmm very interesting. I knew the goal has always been to shrink fat cells, but now it seems people are looking to just kill them!

    I think there is a phosphotidylcholine + Bile Salt product being researched right now for this by big pharma
  5. Elite Member
    MAxximal's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"  235 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Age
    37
    Posts
    6,901
    Rep Power
    122081
    Level
    55
    Lv. Percent
    25.23%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting ProPosting Authority

    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    Hmmmm very interesting. I knew the goal has always been to shrink fat cells, but now it seems people are looking to just kill them!

    I think there is a phosphotidylcholine + Bile Salt product being researched right now for this by big pharma
    Hmmmmmmm
    SNS Online Representative
    Maxximal @ seriousnutritionsolutions.com

    Got Glycophase ...?


  6. Diamond Member
    JudgementDay's Avatar
    Stats
    6'1"  220 lbs.
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Age
    26
    Posts
    13,342
    Rep Power
    3609267
    Level
    86
    Lv. Percent
    87.9%
    Achievements Activity ProActivity AuthorityActivity VeteranPosting ProPosting Authority

    Thanks Great post!!!
    CORE NUTRITIONALS Representative

    If you have any questions feel free to email me at, tommy.day@corenutritionals.com
  7. Banned
    luelinks's Avatar
    Stats
    6'0"  209 lbs.
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    1,723
    Rep Power
    0
    Level
    30
    Lv. Percent
    91.52%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    tag!
  8. Banned
    luelinks's Avatar
    Stats
    6'0"  209 lbs.
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    1,723
    Rep Power
    0
    Level
    30
    Lv. Percent
    91.52%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    Oh BTW I've always been confused how much CLA to consume. Is it 4-6g a day? Like 3 caps of 2g a day?
  9. New Member
    LJ57's Avatar
    Stats
    5'9"  205 lbs.
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Posts
    404
    Rep Power
    354
    Level
    16
    Lv. Percent
    29.7%

    Great info! I have run CLA in high doses (8-10g per day) for several months with no results. It's still one of those supps, like glutamine, that people think works great or doesn't work at all.
  10. Diamond Member
    JudgementDay's Avatar
    Stats
    6'1"  220 lbs.
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Age
    26
    Posts
    13,342
    Rep Power
    3609267
    Level
    86
    Lv. Percent
    87.9%
    Achievements Activity ProActivity AuthorityActivity VeteranPosting ProPosting Authority

    Quote Originally Posted by LJ57 View Post
    Great info! I have run CLA in high doses (8-10g per day) for several months with no results. It's still one of those supps, like glutamine, that people think works great or doesn't work at all.
    I also found CLA never did anything for me.
    CORE NUTRITIONALS Representative

    If you have any questions feel free to email me at, tommy.day@corenutritionals.com
  11. Senior Member
    kingdong's Avatar
    Stats
    5'7"  240 lbs.
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    2,849
    Rep Power
    8207
    Level
    39
    Lv. Percent
    0.33%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    This is a great thread. What would everyone reccomend for supps that activate the "stop it" switch on fat cells year round?
  12. New Member
    LJ57's Avatar
    Stats
    5'9"  205 lbs.
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Posts
    404
    Rep Power
    354
    Level
    16
    Lv. Percent
    29.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by kingdong View Post
    This is a great thread. What would everyone reccomend for supps that activate the "stop it" switch on fat cells year round?
    Something like EGCG + Glycobol + Sesamin would probably be a good stack to take year round for minimizing fat gains year-round.
  13. Elite Member
    MAxximal's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"  235 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Age
    37
    Posts
    6,901
    Rep Power
    122081
    Level
    55
    Lv. Percent
    25.23%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting ProPosting Authority

    CLA not work 4 months in a row and nothing
    SNS Online Representative
    Maxximal @ seriousnutritionsolutions.com

    Got Glycophase ...?


  14. Senior Member
    kingdong's Avatar
    Stats
    5'7"  240 lbs.
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    2,849
    Rep Power
    8207
    Level
    39
    Lv. Percent
    0.33%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by LJ57 View Post
    Something like EGCG + Glycobol + Sesamin would probably be a good stack to take year round for minimizing fat gains year-round.
    Doesn't sesamin actually reduce glycogen or something?
  15. Elite Member
    MAxximal's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"  235 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Age
    37
    Posts
    6,901
    Rep Power
    122081
    Level
    55
    Lv. Percent
    25.23%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting ProPosting Authority

    Quote Originally Posted by luelinks View Post
    Oh BTW I've always been confused how much CLA to consume. Is it 4-6g a day? Like 3 caps of 2g a day?
    6g with food and isomer cis-9,trans-11 and trans-10,cis-12

    but looks this

    http://www.ajcn.org/content/80/3/614.abstract
    SNS Online Representative
    Maxximal @ seriousnutritionsolutions.com

    Got Glycophase ...?


  16. Elite Member
    DR.D's Avatar
    Stats
    6'0"  228 lbs.
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    6,779
    Rep Power
    307854
    Level
    56
    Lv. Percent
    45.32%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting ProPosting Authority

    Quote Originally Posted by MAxximal View Post
    6g with food and isomer cis-9,trans-11 and trans-10,cis-12

    but looks this

    http://www.ajcn.org/content/80/3/614.abstract
    Yeah, cis,trans-9,11-Octadecadienoic acid is supposed to offer some cancer protection, and the trans,cis-10,12-Octadecadienoic acid is associated with fat reduction (but not in adult humans really.) I've never had much success with it from 0.5-8g/day. Kinda disappointing.

    But it has been associated with improved carcass weight parameters in neonates from prenatal exposure, with greater lean mass and smaller fat cells in the sow's adult offspring! Also shown to reduce risk of mammary cancer in matured female offspring. So if you want a healthy repartitioning result and possible anti-carcinogenic benefit that could last a lifetime in your unborn kids, you might consider suggesting it to your pregnant wives, lol. The benefit was also noted to be passed down to the offspring's offspring (2'nd and 3'rd generation), so a pretty cool potential epigenetic effect!
  17. Handsome and intelligent
    Robboe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Posts
    4,927
    Rep Power
    8381
    Level
    47
    Lv. Percent
    52.75%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    I don't think fat cell apoptosis is a very great idea in the grand scheme of things. Fat cells are important stores to the body. Some drugs given to AIDs patients actually cause this effect and lead to something known as lipodystrophy syndrome. This is where the fat build up (which has to go somewhere if there is a calorie surplus) occurs around the neck, giving the person a hump. Not very sexy.
  18. New Member
    BrockR's Avatar
    Stats
    6'3"  229 lbs.
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Age
    36
    Posts
    131
    Rep Power
    124
    Level
    10
    Lv. Percent
    16.67%

    I've been looking into PGF2a for transdermal use
  19. Super Lab Rat
    Sldge's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    3,651
    Rep Power
    3775
    Level
    41
    Lv. Percent
    98.46%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by BrockR View Post
    I've been looking into PGF2a for transdermal use
    Let me save you the time and pain, literally. It does work but the pain and explosive sh*ts you get from its use will never allow anyone to use it for long enough of a period of time to really see the fat disappear.

    Ive used it and did it for more 2 weeks in total with various dosing schemes and delivery and it was HELL. Trust me its not worth it.
  20. Board Sponsor
    DAdams91982's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Age
    32
    Posts
    7,473
    Rep Power
    997456
    Level
    64
    Lv. Percent
    14.6%
    Achievements Activity ProActivity AuthorityPosting ProPosting Authority

    Quote Originally Posted by Sldge View Post
    Let me save you the time and pain, literally. It does work but the pain and explosive sh*ts you get from its use will never allow anyone to use it for long enough of a period of time to really see the fat disappear.

    Ive used it and did it for more 2 weeks in total with various dosing schemes and delivery and it was HELL. Trust me its not worth it.
    He mentioned it as a trandermal.. which I have used... but without the success that pinned PGF delivers.

    I stuck it once, and never again.
  21. Senior Member
    kingdong's Avatar
    Stats
    5'7"  240 lbs.
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    2,849
    Rep Power
    8207
    Level
    39
    Lv. Percent
    0.33%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by Robboe View Post
    I don't think fat cell apoptosis is a very great idea in the grand scheme of things. Fat cells are important stores to the body. Some drugs given to AIDs patients actually cause this effect and lead to something known as lipodystrophy syndrome. This is where the fat build up (which has to go somewhere if there is a calorie surplus) occurs around the neck, giving the person a hump. Not very sexy.
    Fair enough. I wonder what it is that makes the fat cells in the neck store the left over fat. Some people can eat extra callories and not store extra fat at all, so I wonder I wonder if these supplement would have similar side effects to the AIDS drugs(obviously less pronounced)


    I guess this is one of those situatons where we should be getting Dr. D or some other really smart person to come in and teach us a lesson in biology.
  22. Elite Member
    MAxximal's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"  235 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Age
    37
    Posts
    6,901
    Rep Power
    122081
    Level
    55
    Lv. Percent
    25.23%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting ProPosting Authority

    Androgens keep fat cells small.......but in womens?

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17332526
    SNS Online Representative
    Maxximal @ seriousnutritionsolutions.com

    Got Glycophase ...?


  23. New Member
    BrockR's Avatar
    Stats
    6'3"  229 lbs.
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Age
    36
    Posts
    131
    Rep Power
    124
    Level
    10
    Lv. Percent
    16.67%

    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    He mentioned it as a trandermal.. which I have used... but without the success that pinned PGF delivers.

    I stuck it once, and never again.

    Yeah, I wouldn't dream of pinning it after all I've read.

    So you're saying it's not worth pursuing the TD idea?

    If I'm not mistaken, weren't you the guy that posted about making your own local carrier for PGF?

    I've read a lot of mixed results from people using it transdermal, seems to depend a lot on the carrier used.
  24. Board Sponsor
    DAdams91982's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Age
    32
    Posts
    7,473
    Rep Power
    997456
    Level
    64
    Lv. Percent
    14.6%
    Achievements Activity ProActivity AuthorityPosting ProPosting Authority

    Quote Originally Posted by BrockR View Post
    Yeah, I wouldn't dream of pinning it after all I've read.

    So you're saying it's not worth pursuing the TD idea?

    If I'm not mistaken, weren't you the guy that posted about making your own local carrier for PGF?

    I've read a lot of mixed results from people using it transdermal, seems to depend a lot on the carrier used.
    yeah, I made my own carrier... i did get results... but in hindsight it wasn't worth the cost. If you find it on the cheap, then I would maybe just take it and add it to a bottle of evicerate and see where that takes you.
    The Historic PES Legend
  25. New Member
    BrockR's Avatar
    Stats
    6'3"  229 lbs.
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Age
    36
    Posts
    131
    Rep Power
    124
    Level
    10
    Lv. Percent
    16.67%

    I am also interested in using it to bring up a couple of asymmetrical muscles. Read about a guy having good success on his bicep.

    This stuff is getting hard to find though...
  26. Handsome and intelligent
    Robboe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Posts
    4,927
    Rep Power
    8381
    Level
    47
    Lv. Percent
    52.75%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by kingdong View Post
    Fair enough. I wonder what it is that makes the fat cells in the neck store the left over fat. Some people can eat extra callories and not store extra fat at all, so I wonder I wonder if these supplement would have similar side effects to the AIDS drugs(obviously less pronounced)


    I guess this is one of those situatons where we should be getting Dr. D or some other really smart person to come in and teach us a lesson in biology.
    I honestly don't know why it stores in the neck. It looks freaky though, google image search on that string and you'll see what i mean.
  27. Elite Member
    Whacked's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"  210 lbs.
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    5,518
    Rep Power
    552757
    Level
    57
    Lv. Percent
    38.56%
    Achievements Activity AuthorityActivity ProPosting ProPosting Authority

    For relatively lean individuals, I would agree. But for those who "need" to lose fat, I think the numerous deletrerious health risks of having excess bodyfat outweight the positives of holding onto it.



    Quote Originally Posted by Robboe View Post
    I don't think fat cell apoptosis is a very great idea in the grand scheme of things. Fat cells are important stores to the body.
    A-Minds HYPE-SLAYER! All posts & feedback are guaranteed to be unsolicited and legit
    "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge. Fools despise wisdom & instruction"
    Proverbs 1:7
  28. Handsome and intelligent
    Robboe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Posts
    4,927
    Rep Power
    8381
    Level
    47
    Lv. Percent
    52.75%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    For relatively lean individuals, I would agree. But for those who "need" to lose fat, I think the numerous deletrerious health risks of having excess bodyfat outweight the positives of holding onto it.
    Yes. Alternative drugs are suggested for peoiple in this situation though. Along with 'a balanced diet and exercise'.
  29. Elite Member
    MAxximal's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"  235 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Age
    37
    Posts
    6,901
    Rep Power
    122081
    Level
    55
    Lv. Percent
    25.23%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting ProPosting Authority

    bump
    SNS Online Representative
    Maxximal @ seriousnutritionsolutions.com

    Got Glycophase ...?


  30. Board Sponsor
    rms80's Avatar
    Stats
    6'2"  215 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    4,224
    Rep Power
    204223
    Level
    46
    Lv. Percent
    89.81%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by MAxximal View Post
    Hey Guys

    I read some studies about "killing fat cells" what did you think?

    Resveratrol and Quercetin
    Enhanced inhibition of adipogenesis and induction ... [Life Sci. 2008] - PubMed result

    Quercetin and Caffeine
    Potentiation of beta-adrenoceptor agonist-mediated... [Biochem Pharmacol. 1994] - PubMed result

    CLA and l-Arginine
    Dietary Supplementation of l-Arginine and Conjugated Linoleic Acid Reduces Retroperitoneal Fat Mass and Increases Lean Body Mass in Rats ? J. Nutr.

    CLA has been shown to cause apoptosis in rats but in human??
    studies have also shown that CLA blocks the ‘fat sensor’ PPAR-gamma.

    Curcumin also inhibits the production of PPAR-gamma, the sensor that alerts fat cells to the presence of fat. If the sensor works less well, fat cells absorb less fat.

    Curcumin Inhibits Adipogenesis in 3T3-L1 Adipocytes and Angiogenesis and Obesity in C57/BL Mice ? J. Nutr.

    Capsaicin inhibit fat cell growth?
    Effects of novel capsinoid treatment on fatness and energy metabolism in humans: possible pharmacogenetic implications ? Am J Clin Nutr

    Dihydrocapsiate is similar to capsaicin, which is known for its thermogenic properties
    Effect of dihydrocapsiate on resting metabolic rate in humans ? Am J Clin Nutr
    This is why I added Quercetin, NAC, and Res-v into Free Test- on of the main things people notice when they take it is not only an increase in lbm, but also a decrease in body fat......
    Dirk Tanis, BA, MSci
    Chief Operating Officer, Applied Nutriceuticals
  31. Elite Member
    MAxximal's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"  235 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Age
    37
    Posts
    6,901
    Rep Power
    122081
    Level
    55
    Lv. Percent
    25.23%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting ProPosting Authority

    Quote Originally Posted by rms80 View Post
    This is why I added Quercetin, NAC, and Res-v into Free Test- on of the main things people notice when they take it is not only an increase in lbm, but also a decrease in body fat......
    we need an 120 caps version or 180 caps to bump to 6 caps a day



    note: did you read my PM?
    SNS Online Representative
    Maxximal @ seriousnutritionsolutions.com

    Got Glycophase ...?


  32. Diamond Member
    thebigt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    28,439
    Rep Power
    10751743
    Level
    117
    Lv. Percent
    95.44%
    Achievements Posting ProPosting AuthorityPosting VeteranPosting Royalty

    i added yohimbine to the bottle of capsacian sold as arthritis relief. the 1st thing i noticed is the burn, then when i exercised i noticed increased sweat where i applied it. my abs are my weak spot so it took some time, but i definately could tell a difference. it is relatively cheap so i use it a couple of times a week. definately worth a shot.


    btw-the capsacian works considerably better than the absorbine jr that i had added yohimbine to previously.
  33. Board Sponsor
    rms80's Avatar
    Stats
    6'2"  215 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    4,224
    Rep Power
    204223
    Level
    46
    Lv. Percent
    89.81%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by MAxximal View Post
    we need an 120 caps version or 180 caps to bump to 6 caps a day



    note: did you read my PM?

    5 caps of Free Test contains an effective dose of all three compounds- by effective dose- we tend to use the doses used in scientific literature, where applicable....

    Quercetin is a great compound, but a huge pain in the ass to work with- that's why you don't see it in more products. It has a waxy texture that tends to jam automatic capsule machines, plus it is a strong die that tends to coat and stain just about everything (even the FRP inside our clean room, LOL). The only thing that removes it is Krud Kutter- alcohol and bleach are no match for it- it will stain SS

    Tell you a funny story- we have a pneumatic ejection pin system on our automatic capsule machine, and the the system ejects capsules out into an enclosed bin. The bin has a special suction that clears associated dust that goes along with each ejection- unfortunately, it quit working one day when we were making Free Test- so basically the dust from an entire 300K capsule run got deposited all over the encapsulation area. Problem is, you don't really see it until it starts to accumulate- I have never seen a mess like that in my entire life- took us 2 days to clean up after that run.....

    Can you re-send the PM
    Dirk Tanis, BA, MSci
    Chief Operating Officer, Applied Nutriceuticals
  34. Board Sponsor
    DAdams91982's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Age
    32
    Posts
    7,473
    Rep Power
    997456
    Level
    64
    Lv. Percent
    14.6%
    Achievements Activity ProActivity AuthorityPosting ProPosting Authority

    Quote Originally Posted by rms80 View Post
    5 caps of Free Test contains an effective dose of all three compounds- by effective dose- we tend to use the doses used in scientific literature, where applicable....

    Quercetin is a great compound, but a huge pain in the ass to work with- that's why you don't see it in more products. It has a waxy texture that tends to jam automatic capsule machines, plus it is a strong die that tends to coat and stain just about everything (even the FRP inside our clean room, LOL). The only thing that removes it is Krud Kutter- alcohol and bleach are no match for it- it will stain SS

    Tell you a funny story- we have a pneumatic ejection pin system on our automatic capsule machine, and the the system ejects capsules out into an enclosed bin. The bin has a special suction that clears associated dust that goes along with each ejection- unfortunately, it quit working one day when we were making Free Test- so basically the dust from an entire 300K capsule run got deposited all over the encapsulation area. Problem is, you don't really see it until it starts to accumulate- I have never seen a mess like that in my entire life- took us 2 days to clean up after that run.....

    Can you re-send the PM
    I say this with love:
    The Historic PES Legend
  35. Board Sponsor
    rms80's Avatar
    Stats
    6'2"  215 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    4,224
    Rep Power
    204223
    Level
    46
    Lv. Percent
    89.81%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    LOL- it looked liked someone dropped a pollen bomb in there- went right through everyones' lab coats...
    Dirk Tanis, BA, MSci
    Chief Operating Officer, Applied Nutriceuticals
  36. Board Sponsor
    Athletix's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  0 lbs.
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    799
    Rep Power
    858691
    Level
    41
    Lv. Percent
    99.1%

    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    Hmmmm very interesting. I knew the goal has always been to shrink fat cells, but now it seems people are looking to just kill them!

    I think there is a phosphotidylcholine + Bile Salt product being researched right now for this by big pharma
    What is a word that starts with d and ends in iarrhea? lol
    www.athletixsports.com Facebook: Athletix Sports Instagram: @athletixsports Twitter: @Athletix_Sports.
  37. Elite Member
    criticalbench's Avatar
    Stats
    5'1"  0 lbs.
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    7,824
    Rep Power
    767474
    Level
    62
    Lv. Percent
    53.33%
    Achievements Activity ProActivity AuthorityPosting ProPosting Authority

    Quote Originally Posted by BrockR View Post
    I've been looking into PGF2a for transdermal use
    I've looked into that as well pgcl in a transdermal form. Never decided to do it though. Its easy to get and very cheap but I have also been debating between small very shallow frequent injections of lipodissolve.

    I have now decided though, I am just getting ab/torso lipo when I get my gyno surgery in less than a year hopefully.
  38. Senior Member
    rulk22's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  267 lbs.
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    2,227
    Rep Power
    23083
    Level
    34
    Lv. Percent
    55.04%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by rms80 View Post
    This is why I added Quercetin, NAC, and Res-v into Free Test- on of the main things people notice when they take it is not only an increase in lbm, but also a decrease in body fat......
    I use Quercetin to rid my gout and it works just as well as the meds im perscribed. I started to use NAC regularly last year and found out its best to add extremely high doses of Vit. C, other wise NAC will interfere with insulin sensitivity or something like that. As for Resveratrol I wish I could take Sustain Alpha year round...Perhaps Primordial Performance will release a Liquavade Trans-Resvertrol solo.
    Primordial Performance
    ( at heart )
  39. Elite Member
    MAxximal's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"  235 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Age
    37
    Posts
    6,901
    Rep Power
    122081
    Level
    55
    Lv. Percent
    25.23%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting ProPosting Authority

    Quote Originally Posted by rulk22 View Post
    I use Quercetin to rid my gout and it works just as well as the meds im perscribed. I started to use NAC regularly last year and found out its best to add extremely high doses of Vit. C, other wise NAC will interfere with insulin sensitivity or something like that. As for Resveratrol I wish I could take Sustain Alpha year round...Perhaps Primordial Performance will release a Liquavade Trans-Resvertrol solo.

    Liquavade Trans-Resvertrol solo.

    WHEN IS OUT???
    SNS Online Representative
    Maxximal @ seriousnutritionsolutions.com

    Got Glycophase ...?


  40. Professional Member
    Torobestia's Avatar
    Stats
    6'3"  250 lbs.
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    3,199
    Rep Power
    141052
    Level
    45
    Lv. Percent
    0.11%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    For relatively lean individuals, I would agree. But for those who "need" to lose fat, I think the numerous deletrerious health risks of having excess bodyfat outweight the positives of holding onto it.
    It's important to note though that as these theoretical (or real) products would be killing fat cells, not just decreasing their volume, they should still be targetted for morbidly obese folks. It takes a lot to actually cause adipose hyperplasia, and a long time to develop it, too, so even if you were still say at 25% bf and looking to drop, if you have only had that for a few years I would be very wary of using such products since you don't have a lot of adipose cells (just really inflated ones).
  

  
 

Similar Forum Threads

  1. Kill fat cells & prevent fat storage with CLA ethyl ester!
    By Eric Potratz in forum Weight Loss
    Replies: 122
    Last Post: 06-01-2010, 09:22 AM
  2. Replies: 53
    Last Post: 12-31-2009, 02:09 PM
  3. Too much testosterone kill brain cells.
    By VolatileMX in forum News and Articles
    Replies: 31
    Last Post: 10-09-2006, 11:20 AM
  4. Too much testosterone kill brain cells.
    By VolatileMX in forum Supplements
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 09-27-2006, 10:25 PM
  5. Ultrsound to kill fat cells
    By okboy63 in forum News and Articles
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 05-16-2006, 04:45 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Log in
Log in