Omega Sports Ultima OR Ragnorok Ultra Stim free PRE-WORKOUTS

**T H E O R E M** · 10-10-2010 10:06 PM

im VERY stuck between these two products. I have not tried either and reviews for both are great. But i recently purchase Muscle Marinade and its just way to powerful. I was absolutely blitz out of my skull at the gym and actually had to leave as a result of not being able to relax enough! crazy.

So right now id like to go caffeine free, since caffeine also hurts my stomach. Which of these two products produces the best "FOCUS & ENERGY" that would warrant its use over a STIM product. i can find tons of feedback on them individually but considering the price for me id like to hear some chime in that have tried them or numerous STIM FREE products.

help me out guys!

**stopstalking** · 10-11-2010 01:49 AM

Nothing against the company or not to bash the product but I get nothing out of ragnorok caffiner free

**sluggy** · 10-11-2010 02:25 AM

They're both great choices. Try both eventually?

**bolt10** · 10-11-2010 09:26 AM

I think both can be great depending on personal preference. That said Ultima is one of the few supps that I consistently purchase again and again currently and its focus and concentration are unparalleled IMHO.

**Bnatural** · 10-11-2010 10:33 AM

Depends on what you are looking for? Generally with pre-workouts, it's the pump, if so, rag ultra is great, and it's about 1.25 scoops that is the sweet spot for me.
Can't vouche or comment on Ultima as I haven't used it.

**PrepNwa23** · 10-11-2010 12:26 PM

Ultima hands down has one of the best ingredient profile. Everything is dosed really well in it and its impossible to find something that complete out there. Ultima is one of my all time favorite preworkout supplements. I haven't tried Rag Stim Free i've used the stim version so i really don't know about the Stim Free version. But MST makes good products so i don't see you going wrong either way.

**BBB** · 10-11-2010 02:15 PM

I have used both extensively. I like them both but they are completely different products. Ultima has a great ingredient profile but does little as far as energy or the pump are concerned. Rag is good on both counts. However, I need to take a least two scoops of Rag for good effect. Rag has a good flavor profile as well and provides just the right extra energy without making me feel wired. However, I also like Ultima. One of the things I like about Ultima is that it was designed by a Dr. so I can trust in the safety of the ingredients. There are times when I don't want a stim, such as when I workout late in the evening. However, on days when I need a bit of a boost in energy, I add a couple of scoops of Flashover to my Ultima drink. Flashover, also helps with the pump as well. Ultima seems to make everything I take work a little better. It is a difficult choice because both are good products. I keep them both around because I don't like taking the same product everyday. Variety is the spice of life as they say.

**T H E O R E M** · 10-11-2010 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by BBB

I have used both extensively. I like them both but they are completely different products. Ultima has a great ingredient profile but does little as far as energy or the pump are concerned. Rag is good on both counts. However, I need to take a least two scoops of Rag for good effect. Rag has a good flavor profile as well and provides just the right extra energy without making me feel wired. However, I also like Ultima. One of the things I like about Ultima is that it was designed by a Dr. so I can trust in the safety of the ingredients. There are times when I don't want a stim, such as when I workout late in the evening. However, on days when I need a bit of a boost in energy, I add a couple of scoops of Flashover to my Ultima drink. Flashover, also helps with the pump as well. Ultima seems to make everything I take work a little better. It is a difficult choice because both are good products. I keep them both around because I don't like taking the same product everyday. Variety is the spice of life as they say.

wait so you used the STIM FREE RAGNOROK? and it provided better energy to ultima?

this for me is going to be the selling point. pump is last of my priorities

**poison** · 10-11-2010 02:32 PM

Decaf rag is great. It gives a good energy kick without caffeine. Another great option is Clout, and I'd argue that it's the top of the stim-free heap. It's not a pump product, and tastes iffy, though, so you're aware.

**BBB** · 10-11-2010 04:56 PM

I never said I used stim free Rag. If your read my post it's just the opposite.

What does Clout taste like. I've heard that it tastes pretty bad. But I really like Swagger.

**poison** · 10-11-2010 08:08 PM

clout tastes like bubble gum, fruit punch, and burnt ass. But it's really effective,Gotta do full dosing daily, two bottles worth, as the effects kick in hard on the second bottle.

**Bnatural** · 10-12-2010 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by poison

clout tastes like bubble gum, fruit punch, and burnt ass. But it's really effective,Gotta do full dosing daily, two bottles worth, as the effects kick in hard on the second bottle.

is that how its labeled? lol.

**T H E O R E M** · 10-13-2010 03:21 AM

Originally Posted by poison

Decaf rag is great. It gives a good energy kick without caffeine. Another great option is Clout, and I'd argue that it's the top of the stim-free heap. It's not a pump product, and tastes iffy, though, so you're aware.

what would you describe the general boost in energy you get from RAG stim free to? something common like a small cup of coffee etc...way less?

**oufinny** · 10-13-2010 03:39 PM

I have used both though only one day of Rag and it was decent. Ultima for me was the best stim free pre-workout I ever tried and 2 scoops had me crushing it throughout every workout. I got mad pumps off Ultima also and very few things give me a pump... it might have been the GMS I don't know.

**oufinny** · 10-13-2010 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by T H E O R E M

what would you describe the general boost in energy you get from RAG stim free to? something common like a small cup of coffee etc...way less?

As I remember it, it was more like a focus energy similar to taking 2-3 grams of ALCAR. Ultima I felt had a much more pronounced energy kick to it with the cognifive (or whatever it is called) and the b-vitamins in high doses.

**reecew** · 10-13-2010 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by poison

Decaf rag is great. It gives a good energy kick without caffeine. Another great option is Clout, and I'd argue that it's the top of the stim-free heap. It's not a pump product, and tastes iffy, though, so you're aware.

Originally Posted by poison

clout tastes like bubble gum, fruit punch, and burnt ass. But it's really effective,Gotta do full dosing daily, two bottles worth, as the effects kick in hard on the second bottle.

This is being way too nice! IFFY? BURNT ASS yes! Bubble Gum and fruit punch where??? I had to chug this stuff down and hold back the gags but i am very sensitive to flavor. ASGT second worse tasting PWO ive tried actually grew on me and i ended up not minding drinking it and will be buying it again. Clout on the other hand no way i celebrated when it was gone but it did what it was suppose to and worked well! Im just afraid of the flavor or else id have some right now!

**T H E O R E M** · 10-14-2010 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by oufinny

I have used both though only one day of Rag and it was decent. Ultima for me was the best stim free pre-workout I ever tried and 2 scoops had me crushing it throughout every workout. I got mad pumps off Ultima also and very few things give me a pump... it might have been the GMS I don't know.

awesome!!! thanks, exactly the answers i was looking for

Omega Sports Ultima OR Ragnorok Ultra Stim free PRE-WORKOUTS