Attention Everybody:congress is threatening to give new powers to the FDA
- 09-21-2010, 04:51 PM
- 09-21-2010, 05:27 PM
They won't stop until even vitamin C can only be obtained via prescription. That way, big pharma and big medicine make more money. And we all loose more of our freedom.
09-22-2010, 12:12 AM
09-22-2010, 12:35 AM
the federal govt is like a pronstar... they just wanna f@ck us
The difference between who you are and who you want to be is what you do.
09-22-2010, 04:20 AM
09-22-2010, 05:28 PM
I just got an email from anabolicminds and filled the info out and sent it to my senators.
My senators are really good at responding to me by mail, I will let you know what they said in a week or so when it arrives.
09-22-2010, 05:45 PM
I enjoyed the five minutes I put into making sure both letters were sent; I am seriously getting ticked at the govt. lately.
If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).
09-22-2010, 05:51 PM
09-22-2010, 05:54 PM
This makes what...6 letters i've sent this year?
The government power seizure has become like Herpes...popping up every few months. All they need is one lapse in attention and we are all screwed.
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09-22-2010, 06:33 PM
09-22-2010, 07:41 PM
09-22-2010, 08:23 PM
09-22-2010, 09:07 PM
09-22-2010, 10:23 PM
09-22-2010, 10:42 PM
"The sinister scheme behind this bill is to exploit the public’s concern about food safety. Drug companies want to convince your Senators that an overreaching law needs to be enacted to grant the FDA powers to define “food contamination” any way it chooses.
Even today, the FDA can proclaim a dietary supplement as “misbranded” even if the best science in the world is used to describe its biological effects in the body. The concern is that the FDA will use the term “misbranded” in the same way it defines “adulterated” in order to jail dietary supplement makers as if they were selling contaminated food."
So let me see if I got this straight - you guys are against this but have no problem buying OTC dietary supplements and anabolic steroids that are contaminated or do not meet label claims (eg. bunk SD, etc)
You guys come on here crying about label and bogus and/or bunch product all the time.
The problem with the supplement industry is their inability to self regulate. If they can't or won't do it themselves then someone will.
Life is a terminal condition.
09-22-2010, 10:55 PM
I think everyone is making a big deal out of this. The fda is actually looking out for our best interests. Why should supplement companies be able to lie in order to sell more products? We will now finally know which company talks ****. It's about time I say! This is no longer the wild west!!!
09-22-2010, 10:58 PM
09-22-2010, 11:02 PM
This industry needs some form of regulation. Some of the claims these companies make are so outlandish, yet it's simply chalked up to "marketing". Fat-burners spiked with meridian, spiked with roids (which some of us don't want), even down to protein powders failing to meet label claims. No one protects the consumer. If these companies won't police themselves accordingly, in favor of making a quick buck at the consumer's expense, then something has to be done.
I understand it's an expensive proposition for some of the smaller companies, but marketing claims should in call cases be supported. All batches/raws should be tested and verified prior to shipment. This industry unfortunately deals with a lot of unsubstantiated pseudo-science claims. At least companies like Driven Sports can invest in blood tests (albeit in-house) in order to substantiate their claims. They at least meet a certain threshold prior to product releases. Companies under-dosing their products then claim your bench press will skyrocket 1000% after 48 hours, need to go. Just my two cents.
09-22-2010, 11:18 PM
10 years is extremely harsh. Might as well go murder someone.
It looks like they are trying to give existing legislation more teeth. The current supplement act has the following in it: "the dietary supplement manufacturer is responsible for ensuring that a dietary supplement is safe before it is marketed"
Knowing that, one has to determine what safe means. In bodybuilding some of the things that we constitute as normal and just "sides" are considered horrific to the uninitiated. I can imagine working at the FDA you would come to believe every consumer is a moron and needs to be protected from themselves. We think we know what we are doing. No problem I'll just take a PCT... So the word safe is subjective and when it comes down to it the FDA is really stressing out on things like ProHormones.
The real problem I see with supplements is the wide range of effects that the same product can have on different people. Biceps for some, bitch tits for others. People have that habbit of not educating themselves on there body and how they relate to what they are taking. How many people here run regular blood work? Now compare that to the average guy off the street buying something at GNC. Unfortunately its this average user that doesnt educate themselves that is creating the problems with the FDA.
With all that in mind, it sounds like the FDA should be looking to formalize the relationship on the consumer side rather than the cop out of putting supplement makers behind bars. Why not leave it up to the persons doctor? I already visit my doctor when I'm sick and when I want to get bloodwork. Now before you get paranoid keep in mind that I'm talking about mostly anabolics here. Things that you can consitute as basic nutrients like Vitamin C, Creatine, etc dont need to be regulated on the same level. Although quality testing wouldnt hurt. Same goes for stimulants.
Back to doctors. Personally I have naturally lower hormonal levels. If I want to bull**** that I've been having depression or low motivation I can get something like AndroGel. If I was "normal" it would be a non option. However the same burdon exists for the doctor and insurance companies. If an uneducated person runs a cycle wrong they leave it to there doctor to fix them. On the extreme you have people who go overboard and give themselves severe liver and kidney problems. Formalizing the process takes that cost away. Sure you still have shady doctors and abuses but that burdon rests with the physician either way. This way the supplement designer is still left to innovate and the doctor can help before problems are created.
So you could point out a con to all this. What about those that dont give a **** and just want the good stuff? I dont want to deal with having to prove I'm healthy to my doctor. No problem. Formalizing it has the added benefit of making it more available so the ones that like to dabble on the side can just ask around at the gym.
Oh and I apologize if this is random, especially the fact that its my first post. I'm just sick of seeing talented guys like Patrick Arnold making comments like "I'd have to move to another country before I could make that". Guys like him should have patents that they make millions off of licensing. They shouldn't have to worry about going to prison. Problem with our country is the burden of change is left with us. I hope that anyone that wrote letters to there congressmen today did so in a tactful and intelligent manner. Otherwise there going to pass this **** and continue to demonize a lot of very talented people that should instead be getting rich.
09-22-2010, 11:23 PM
09-22-2010, 11:39 PM
yrck I couldn't have said it better myself. I saw that post with Pat and I was dissapointed as well. It's just not right that that kind of talent and innovation has to be constricted. It's like if you told Microsoft to stop making computers and then put them in jail for making them because they found a negative side effect from too much computer use; it's not practical.
How about they focus on cigarrete use which kills more people by far than any drug or supplement combined.
09-22-2010, 11:58 PM
09-23-2010, 12:04 AM
09-23-2010, 12:33 AM
The tax on cigarettes is a far greater percentage and it is not for regulation and standardization but rather revenue.
Life is a terminal condition.
09-23-2010, 10:39 AM
09-23-2010, 10:53 AM
Man... I would love to hear Ron Paul speak on this. He say's the Dept. of Agriculture is unconstitutional, would love to hear him speak on this front.
The bill is extremely short and vague. Usually it is made to be that way so the words can bend at will.
LEF has some money, so I do hope they fight it well.
The Historic PES Legend
09-23-2010, 11:05 AM
09-23-2010, 11:11 AM
Nothing like just adding in more and more government. We see how well that has done for us thus far.
The Historic PES Legend
09-23-2010, 11:14 AM
09-23-2010, 11:27 AM
But don't you think supplement companies should be forced to meet certain requirements, especially with respect to label and marketing claims? If you're going to spend a large amount of money on marketing, then allocate those same funds to support marketing claims.
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