in need of HARDCORE preworkout

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  1. in need of HARDCORE preworkout


    Ok I have tried superpump250(made me crash), White flood(good but doesn't make my veins show), white blood(VERY GOOD my veines came out pretty good), Nano vapor(good but WAY overpriced), Jack3d(tried two bottle and both failed), No-Xplod(It made me xplod the bathroom), Nanox9(ok but way overpriced), Heatshock(ok). I think this is all of them but I need something that would make my veins bulge out insanely. What would you guys recommend?! I've heard good things about LG science but I've never tried there products.


    EDIT: Ok here is couple more I just remembered I had sampled. BSN nitrix(good but very expensive) for couple of days, MHP dark rage(MEH), Assault(LOVE the taste but the vein just chilled under my skin), VPX No shotgun(I think thats the name and it was ok), and there is couple more I just can't remember right now.

    P.S. DAMN I've tried a lot of stuff!


  2. Oh and I've tried VPX pre-workout and Assault both OK but again not that whole rush feeling.
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  4. Maximize v2 is a very strong stim pre w/o. I only use half a scoop now. My favorite so far as energy goes. Try something with glycocarn in it. Actually proven to vasodilate. Those products are usually more expensive but if you really need your viens to bulge. Maybe try losing body fat also.

  5. cellucor N0 extreame. Def my favorite pre-workout supp

  6. Quote Originally Posted by ecupirate View Post
    Maximize v2 is a very strong stim pre w/o. I only use half a scoop now. My favorite so far as energy goes. Try something with glycocarn in it. Actually proven to vasodilate. Those products are usually more expensive but if you really need your viens to bulge. Maybe try losing body fat also.
    I am on a cut right now as we speak(or read) but even when my BF% was at 9 or so my veins were hidden. You can see them but they won't come bulge out!

  7. LG SCIENCES!!! ASGT and AP.... Pm me. I know where u can get them for 19.99 a piece.. or you can also get Postal to go along with it for 52.00.

  8. Oh yeah I tried BSN nitrix for couple of days and it was INSANE but its WAAAAY overpriced.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by luelinks View Post
    I need something that would make my veins bulge out insanely.
    2-3g Glycine Propionyl L-Carnitine and 20-30g Gylcerol.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by ecupirate View Post
    Maximize v2 is a very strong stim pre w/o. I only use half a scoop now. My favorite so far as energy goes. Try something with glycocarn in it. Actually proven to vasodilate. Those products are usually more expensive but if you really need your viens to bulge. Maybe try losing body fat also.
    Agreed, maximize v.2 is some good stuff that has gotten great consistent feedback; designed to be very complete all around.

    Mike

  11. Quote Originally Posted by SilentBob187 View Post
    2-3g Glycine Propionyl L-Carnitine and 20-30g Gylcerol.
    I read on bbdotcom about Gylcerol and it had a lot of good things about it. MV2 is $30, but LG pump plus AGST both for $40. I don't know which one I should go with! LG and iforce both have very good reviews

  12. I got a sample of RagNoRok a while ago and loved it. Gonna buy some for my Pct.

  13. Well I dont know how much you know about arginine now days. Its reported to do very little to boost your NO production. L-Carnitine and L-tartante(sp) and beta alaine are the new NO supp. Gaspari make anaivate, MHP makes NO-Bomb, etc

    As far as the old NO pre WO's I like Black powder(MRI) and Juggernaut (infinite labs) the best. I also put in a extra few g's of Arg AKG & 1500mg of carnitine + 5gs of creatine mono. I get a great pump from it, veins come out, muscles look super hard & dense after workouts.

    I also drink 16gs of scivation xtend (bcaa's & glutamine) with 7-8gs of creatine mono during my workouts.

  14. any prewokrout with added vitamin c, fish oils, egcg, and GPLC

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  15. BTW does anyone know where i can get the pure EPA and DHA from fish oils?
    The difference between who you are and who you want to be is what you do.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by SilentBob187 View Post
    2-3g Glycine Propionyl L-Carnitine and 20-30g Gylcerol.
    GPLC has to be 4 grams to be at a clinical dose not 2.5, 3.7 or any thing like that to work.

    Now I started pre surge unleahsed 1 scoop, half scoop of anarchy I am ordering and 2 caps of GPLC to make 4 grams of GPLC between that and pre surge.
    I also have left over BA to make sure I am at 4 grams too. Any thing else could be things like Pink Magic, Prime, Gear, need to slin with carbs etc.

    Glycine propionyl-L-carnitine hydrocholoride (GPLC) is a fairly new ingredient to enter into the bodybuilding supplementation world. hereís the situation. #1 the product tastes like crap and is very expensive to use since I tried raw powder. The studies that I have read show that one must use 4 grams and 6 grams of GPLC for a serving size. Thus if you look at the GPLC sold at like protein factory or primordialperformance you will notice it cost around $60/65.00 for a measly 150 grams. Thatíll last you about 1 month. So I went ahead and looked at what other supplement companyís were selling their GPLC for.

    Well hereís what I found.

    nitrocarn-gplc-fusion
    This product contains only 1.5 grams of GPCL in 4 capsules and you only get 15 servings per bottle. So what this supplement company did is either didnít read the study that it takes 4 grams of GPLC to work or made a conscience decision to rip you off.

    MaxNitroEXT

    Hereís another product I found that contains GPLC but along with a bunch of 10 other things in their ďproprietary formulaĒ. It equates to only 3.65 grams. So barely enough to give you the 4grams required.

    Thus when trying to find GPLC make sure you get one with the correct serving size of 4 grams of GPLC per serving. Donít be fooled by proprietary formulas. If you see a GPLC product with other ingredients like L-arginine or things like it. I donít recommend you buy it.

  17. Im using Ultima right now and i really like it.

  18. N2KTS
    JP8
    Rag

    are what I am using now.

    All really really good.

    I have many tubs of SN GPLC and RPN LCLT....I got Superior Nutraceuticals 250g tubs and got them for a lot less than PP or PF (i think i bought 8 or 10 tubs though)........Personally, I dont see what all the rave is about.

  19. So out of the 20 or so sports nutrition companyís that use GPLC I just did a google search only 2 use it correctly MHP and protein factory. The other donít, or trick you such as code red by muscle meds says clincal dose of the proven GPLC by siga tau yet its only a clinical dose if you take 2 scoops. Its miss leading. On the back it says 1 scoop because its very powerfull or some thing like that.

  20. N2KTS is the best PWO supp I've used to date, always got crazy pumps with P-slin, also Citruvol Ultra or Hemovol stacked with N2KTS gives me crazy veins.
    Core Nutritionals Representative

  21. Also, really think Nos Ether is a steller supp for Pumps and Vascularity!
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  22. So I'm guessing GPLC is the HMB of the 21 century!

  23. Quote Originally Posted by luelinks View Post
    So I'm guessing GPLC is the HMB of the 21 century!
    I suppose.

    I know GPLC is getting pretty darn good reviews and has some clinicals to back it up.

  24. RagNoRok, hands down, that stuff is liquid "CRACK"
    you won't want to stop working out, real talk

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Kristofer68SS View Post
    I suppose.

    I know GPLC is getting pretty darn good reviews and has some clinicals to back it up.
    Didn't HMB have the same thing when it came out. I tried HMB 16 months ago(thats when I started working out for first time in my life time) and I though it good. But as time past by and the more I think about it, it was a huge failure. It didn't have any effects!

  26. Quote Originally Posted by luelinks View Post
    Didn't HMB have the same thing when it came out. I tried HMB 16 months ago(thats when I started working out for first time in my life time) and I though it good. But as time past by and the more I think about it, it was a huge failure. It didn't have any effects!
    Never used it, dont know man.

  27. Not sure much about HMB the studies I read on HMB was not worth its price even tough it showed it worked.

  28. maximize v2 with GPLC from primordial borther! you will be liovign the strength, the energy and the increase in Nitric Oxide levels as it is arginine free!!!

  29. People vary in their responses depending on their body weight (LBM) and height and tolerance level. Your Lean Body Mass will determine if your veins will show up or not, regardless of the supplement you take.How thick is your skin and water level under the skin are also factors. Muscle Pump (muscle hardness) overall though, will be felt regardless but the visible effects (popping veins from vasodilatation) will vary.

    Also, I would recommend that you take a break before you try new supplements otherwise you are just building more tolerance and the effect will diminish.

    Lastly, try these two products which for me have served the purpose you are looking for, though they are more pricey than the main stream products.

    1. Champion Nutrition GlyProXTS
    2. Neuro Research Bulldozer XL5000

    Good Luck

  30. One more trick I have tried in the past, is adding Vanadyl Sulfate. There are other tricks you can do while training as well (squeeze and release technique) for your arms for example that will increase the blood flow and make your veins pop. Some people have used bands for the same trick. This could be a whole different discussion by itself. Experiment, and you will find what will work for you.

  31. Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    BTW does anyone know where i can get the pure EPA and DHA from fish oils?
    You need over 600mg to notice anything (high ones can be 750mg) , **** ones can be as little as sub 100

    HealthAid is easily the best, the only Omega 3 product I actually noticed. ie. dry skin cleared up on ankles that Ive had all my life.

  32. Quote Originally Posted by RogerBob View Post
    You need over 600mg to notice anything (high ones can be 750mg) , **** ones can be as little as sub 100

    HealthAid is easily the best, the only Omega 3 product I actually noticed. ie. dry skin cleared up on ankles that Ive had all my life.
    lol thanks...2years later after i posted
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  33. Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    lol thanks...2years later after i posted
    We get there in the end

  34. Quote Originally Posted by JN230 View Post
    maximize v2 with GPLC from primordial borther! you will be liovign the strength, the energy and the increase in Nitric Oxide levels as it is arginine free!!!
    or you can one up that and go with maximize intense + hemavol or hemavol + compete for a stim-free stack
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  35. Is it used on none training days?

  36. Alpha Rage By MGN is a great hardcore pre-workout supp. It has everything you need in it

  37. Quote Originally Posted by allnatural923 View Post
    or you can one up that and go with maximize intense + hemavol or hemavol + compete for a stim-free stack
    i have gone through about 5 bottles of hemavol lol
    The difference between who you are and who you want to be is what you do.

  38. Maximize intense and hemavol hands down the best stack I've used. I used to need 1.5 scoops but since my stim break I only need half a scoop of Max to get my flying.


  39. Quote Originally Posted by SuperFreak95
    Nitraflex by GAT is strong I'm a stim junkie and a full scoop is actually too much...
    Doesn't it have like 400mg of caffeine?

  40. I get sick vascularity from original A.C.G.3 mixed with a scoop of waxy maize and modern bcaa. It jacks me up pretty well also.
  

  
 

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