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    Phosphatidyl Serine


    anyone try it ? reduce well cortisol? dosage?

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    I just started EndoAmp (a PS supplement) about a week ago. The serving size is 800 mg per scoop. It's expensive (about $50 a pop for 29 servings no matter where you go), but I'm noticing a difference right away. I feel great (definitely less stressed) and have noticed reduction of fat in some of the typical cortisol regions (midsection, face). And that's just in a week. I highly recommend it.

    There's been studies about PSerine's effectiveness. But you need adequate dosage. I think 800mg is a good baseline. And for the price EndoAmp is the best way to go. I looked up individual supplements from NOW and such, and to match the dosage, you're going to be paying out the ass.

    So if you have the cash, I say definitely worth it.
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    ok thx it's paragonable to 7-OH / 5-AT like reduce cortisol ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlip View Post
    I just started EndoAmp (a PS supplement) about a week ago. The serving size is 800 mg per scoop. It's expensive (about $50 a pop for 29 servings no matter where you go), but I'm noticing a difference right away. I feel great (definitely less stressed) and have noticed reduction of fat in some of the typical cortisol regions (midsection, face). And that's just in a week. I highly recommend it.

    There's been studies about PSerine's effectiveness. But you need adequate dosage. I think 800mg is a good baseline. And for the price EndoAmp is the best way to go. I looked up individual supplements from NOW and such, and to match the dosage, you're going to be paying out the ass.

    So if you have the cash, I say definitely worth it.
    id just like to balance the argument by throwing in this article. http://www.janethull.com/newsletter/0404/cortisol.php
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    Quote Originally Posted by corsaking View Post
    id just like to balance the argument by throwing in this article. http://www.janethull.com/newsletter/0404/cortisol.php
    PS keeps cortisol in the more beneficial range. you wouldn't need to worry about lowering your cortisol too low or anything like that.

    PP recommends using it an hour before a workout or first thing in the morning, when cortisol usually spikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by omg View Post
    anyone try it ? reduce well cortisol? dosage?
    Great stuff. Use 800mg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by corsaking View Post
    id just like to balance the argument by throwing in this article. http://www.janethull.com/newsletter/0404/cortisol.php
    It does get a bad rap, but no one is suggesting we eradicate cortisol completely. Just prevent it from escalating.
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    I was under the impression it'd be more efféctive to consume PS post-workout as opposed to pre-workout.
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    im in the same boat, i have used and will be using Endo Amp Max in about 2 weeks as part of PCT and i love the stuff for reducing cortisol, last time i took it during a hard time in a relationship/school finals/PCT and it was great, really helped me lean out quickly on PCT
    and yes my little pet peeves didnt seem to bug me as much....

    maybe it wasnt the phosphatidyl serine, maybe it was that i just said **** IT to my ex
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    Quote Originally Posted by purebred View Post
    I was under the impression it'd be more efféctive to consume PS post-workout as opposed to pre-workout.
    when I used it I used 1 pre and 1 post. I used *********'s brand and I also used the PS supplement by Source Naturals. I preferred the Source Naturals product for sure.
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    why dont you just use lean xtreme for $30 and is an amazing cortisol reducer/blocker (people say that)
    The difference between who you are and who you want to be is what you do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    why dont you just use lean xtreme for $30 and is an amazing cortisol reducer/blocker (people say that)
    I dont want to take anything away from lean x, but I personally used PS for recovery and mental focus...
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    EndoAMP is the best thing for stress EVER as a stand alone product as far as I am concerned. Now if stacked with adaptogens like Rhodiola, Bacopa, etc it is even better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by purebred View Post
    I was under the impression it'd be more efféctive to consume PS post-workout as opposed to pre-workout.
    It's recommended to take it an hour before workout. That way the body has time to absorb it and utilise it and reduce cortisol during the ENTIRETY of the workout. Taking it after creates a lag in the absorption time, missing the most intense portion of your elevated cortisol levels (in relation to your workout that is). The ideal time would be to take it right after waking up, but before a morning workout, because C levels are high at that point during the day and it would also have the added benefit of being a preworkout C reducer.

    Also, to corsaking, I wasn't arguing that cortisol is bad. You'll note that in the article you posted, it talks about the benefits of naturally reducing C. EndoAmp epitomises this concept by using Phosphotidyl Serine, membrane component (generally in soy. think "phospholipid"), to NATURALLY reduce C.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlip View Post
    It's recommended to take it an hour before workout. That way the body has time to absorb it and utilise it and reduce cortisol during the ENTIRETY of the workout. Taking it after creates a lag in the absorption time, missing the most intense portion of your elevated cortisol levels (in relation to your workout that is). The ideal time would be to take it right after waking up, but before a morning workout, because C levels are high at that point during the day and it would also have the added benefit of being a preworkout C reducer.

    Also, to corsaking, I wasn't arguing that cortisol is bad. You'll note that in the article you posted, it talks about the benefits of naturally reducing C. EndoAmp epitomises this concept by using Phosphotidyl Serine, membrane component (generally in soy. think "phospholipid"), to NATURALLY reduce C.

    i understand that but i thought the article was informative and can help others that may not have used PS and thinking about it, a more informed choice.

    As i writ this im thinking also of Now vitamins do a supplement called NOWFoods Super Cortisol Support with Relora check it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by purebred View Post
    I was under the impression it'd be more efféctive to consume PS post-workout as opposed to pre-workout.
    I've been taking it immdiately after exercise.. Doesn't your cortisol spike post-workout as a stress response, rather than during?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sluggy View Post
    I've been taking it immdiately after exercise.. Doesn't your cortisol spike post-workout as a stress response, rather than during?
    i think it depends how long you train , Weight training especially on the large muscle groups causes test to increase but i understand this spike only lasts about an hour then declines, Its then that cortisol becomes the more dominant hormone.

    some info http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson.htm


    #http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2249754/
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    Quote Originally Posted by corsaking View Post
    i think it depends how long you train , Weight training especially on the large muscle groups causes test to increase but i understand this spike only lasts about an hour then declines, Its then that cortisol becomes the more dominant hormone.

    some info http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson.htm


    #http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2249754/
    Thanks for the help corsa, on both my cardio days and weight days, I take the PS after 1 hour of working out (even if there's still more workout afterwards). Perhaps for cardio I should take it pre?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CTDeuce View Post
    when I used it I used 1 pre and 1 post. I used *********'s brand and I also used the PS supplement by Source Naturals. I preferred the Source Naturals product for sure.
    The first brand you mentioned is definitely legible LOL.
    I've used Source Naturals as well. I'm now using Vitamin Shoppe's which is essentially Sharp PS™ softgels in a Vitamin Shoppe labeled bottle. Same fundamental nutraceutical, higher cost effectiveness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by purebred View Post
    The first brand you mentioned is definitely legible LOL.
    I've used Source Naturals as well. I'm not using Vitamin Shoppe's which is essentially Sharp PS™ softgels in a Vitamin Shoppe labeled bottle. Same fundamental nutraceutical, higher cost effectiveness.
    the first company I listed is a direct ***** supp warehouse of NP...which im assuming is why they blocked it. I won't s k i p letters or anything to spell it out because I feel they deserve that respect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sluggy View Post
    Thanks for the help corsa, on both my cardio days and weight days, I take the PS after 1 hour of working out (even if there's still more workout afterwards). Perhaps for cardio I should take it pre?
    I think that there could be some benefit in taking it pre-cardio. The "newer" version of EndoAmp has A-GPC now and is also a GH booster as well as cortisol control. I've seen plenty of times, PP reps themselves, recommending taking it after a workout w/o carbs for a GH increase which will lead to an increase in post-workout metabolic rate and a supposed increase in protein synthesis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BurghHardcore View Post
    I think that there could be some benefit in taking it pre-cardio. The "newer" version of EndoAmp has A-GPC now and is also a GH booster as well as cortisol control. I've seen plenty of times, PP reps themselves, recommending taking it after a workout w/o carbs for a GH increase which will lead to an increase in post-workout metabolic rate and a supposed increase in protein synthesis.
    I agree but they rec taking it to prevent cort spikes following exercise to minimize cort and increase GH

    "Take 1 scoop of EndoAmp Max 1 hour before exercise or in the morning on non-workout days."
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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty33 View Post
    I agree but they rec taking it to prevent cort spikes following exercise to minimize cort and increase GH

    "Take 1 scoop of EndoAmp Max 1 hour before exercise or in the morning on non-workout days."
    Maybe they've changed their recommendations, maybe it's just a different way of taking it. I guess the most important thing in this situation is only that the product works lol. There is obvious benefits to taking it at either time. It would be interesting to have a PP rep come in and give their .02 about the situation.
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    i never tryed it i just try ahaving soem whey or ibcaa's pre ans during workouts to help out along with adding pp's ibcaa's to my ASGT.
    never used that but do try to use diet and supps to my advantage in the "muscle breakdown" area :-)
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    Studies proving an efficacy at all have been with 600-800mg PS/daily. I've noticed a lot of products containing 25mg (lol!) and even less hidden in proprietary blends. Avoid those like the plague they are for their label dressing.
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    Changed my dosing around as recommended:

    "Take 1 scoop of EndoAmp Max 1 hour before exercise or in the morning on non-workout days."

    ****in fantastic!
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