Last AM post EVER! Final thoughts...
06-19-2010 04:07 AM
Last AM post EVER! Final thoughts...
I've been with this forum for quite some time, starting as a lurker and eventually making my way into posting. Over the short period I have been around, I have seen all the big "Double-Extreme Extra-Top-Secret Formula Revolutionary blah blah blah..." stuff come out and I will admit I have fallen victim to all of it on several occasions. The bottom line is that I bought into the marketing of the companies selling such products, expecting the gains they promised, and ended up with nothing to show for it. I did, however, manage to lose several pounds in my wallet.
Nothing against USP, although I will admit that they have been the company to garner the most of my sup funds (Prime, OEP, VAT Attack, etc.) but the Pink Magic threads have been the straw to break the camels back. This industry has become run by hype, "studies", sponsors, and some killer advertising/marketing strategies. I have been suckered into most of these products and I have spent an all too large sum of money on supplements that were ultimately a let down.
To end my rant, I will still be lingering around these forums, i suppose, but this will be my last post. My apologies to USP employees if you feel I have singled out your company... I assure you that is not what I am trying to do. The industry as a whole, however, has evolved into its own animal that I will no longer support.
Thank you everyone, Its been fun. I'll seclude myself back to being a lurker 'round the bulking/dieting forums Peace.
06-19-2010 07:47 AM
yes i fully understand where you are coming from .whats the saying "the older the wiser"
I believe that the supplement industry relies on the naivity of the individual and this individual is usually new to the game and in general -young A young man in his teens or early twenties taken in by the front cover of Mens Fitness or Mens Health looking for perfection.Its this desire to look good which is the driving force to spending huge amounts of cash on products that dont always deliver. However the advertising hype associated with these products would have us believe differently.
We have products with latin names listed on the label which when googled could have quite a common name.Is the industry assuming we have no intelligence and extremly gullible?But more importantly the ingredient can have no association with what the manufacturers claim , whatsoever.
There are so many companies out there now , that everyone is fighting for a piece of the cake We all have a limited amount of cash to spend and the hype has to be worded in a such a way that x product is better than y .However on analysis ingredients could well be similar.
My biggest disappointment with the industry , is that it hasnt invested enough in products which are based on trials -independent trials on humans maybe a sports college who have the facilities to collect data and have it published.By the same token as far as i am aware no-one has independently tested these products to see if they do what they claim.
It would i feel send ripples through the industry.
However one thing is for sure-for every person who says enough is enough and decides not to buy anymore supplements, theres probably 10 who just carnt wait for the local GNC store to open .
I can see the chairmen of all these supplement companies rubbing their hands now.
06-19-2010 08:20 AM
It seems most of the boards these days are nothing more than a big advertisement for products. It's beginning to become difficult to separate truth from marketing.
06-19-2010 08:41 AM
Originally Posted by The_Reverend
06-19-2010 08:43 AM
There was a thread a while back titled "supplements don't work" and true, most do not. Most of what works is hormonal.
06-19-2010 08:48 AM
So, your not posting on here anymore because you have a money spending problem?
06-19-2010 09:39 AM
esox, i am with ya, i would invite you to check out my current and past logs, i use unconventional methods, affordable and often outside the realms of sports supplement industry, i have a current project starting in the review section and I think you'd like it.
hype will only sell a product once, real results net a customer for life, if more companies understood this they could decrease their marketing budgets and realize a more stable business model
06-19-2010 10:15 AM
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
Not to be rude, but: have you considered that your problem may be the result of your focus on supplements at the expense of diet and training, and not the ineffectiveness of the supplements themselves?
If our company is the cause of you taking a breather to build up a solid base and focus on the basics, well, than there is nothing wrong with that at all.
06-19-2010 10:20 AM
This thread is full of irony. I love reading "My apologies to USP employees if you feel I have singled out your company", when the paragraph beforehand specifically mentioned four USPlabs products (Prime, OEP, Vat Attack, Pink Magic)... I mean, is it really necessary to post a "Pink Magic is too expensive for me" thread every day?
And for those complaining about message boards being advertisements, it's simple: if you don't agree with the structure of a FREE online forum, leave.
06-19-2010 10:22 AM
The consumer is creating the Pink Magic threads not USPlabs.
Originally Posted by Esox Express
How about I send you a bottle of Pink Magic on the casa?
06-19-2010 10:26 AM
Your post was good for some entertainment this morning.
You're a pretty sad guy. How many times can one be fooled by the same ****? Why are you blaming the supplement companies? USP is a business just like any other, they're here to make money.
Also, why are you so bent on supplements, and blaming them? The reason why the products are called supplements, is because they are just that. When combined with a proper diet, with proper training, and willpower, they may help one achieve his/her goals.
Seeing as how you're admittedly a sucker, perhaps your problem isn't posting on the forums, so much as it is reading them. Best of luck in the future, perhaps eventually you'll realize pointing fingers isn't going to help you become any stronger/fitter/better, and you should reflect inwards to see what is wrong with you (and likely preventing you from reaching your goals).
06-19-2010 10:32 AM
Since he will not answer, cause that was his last post, I will take his bottle of pink magic that u offered and will report back with honest feedback... What u say?
Originally Posted by USPLabs
06-19-2010 10:37 AM
Haha, too bad his initial post was his last post!
Originally Posted by USPLabs
Please feel free to send that bottle my way!
06-19-2010 10:42 AM
Originally Posted by hoopem6
My feeling EXACTLY. I want to run a second bottle.
To the OP: sorry if you feel Pink was all hype but my logs are always impartial and what was in there (my Pink Magic log) is exactly how I feel. No hype, just results. Good luck to you lurking though...
06-19-2010 10:43 AM
The only product that Ive tried from USP labs was Super Cissus, and I have to say, I don't see the hype. It had no advantage over regular ground up cissus. I dont even think that whatever ingrediant they doubled is the real active...........I will take a pink magic bottle though if you whant to prove me wrong.
06-19-2010 10:51 AM
it is all well and good to rip on this guy but with the whole "you expect too much from a SUPPLEMENT" but don't be a hypocrite then when it comes to the advertising! Don't claim "explosive gains in strength" and similar hyperbole! why don't you state,
"This product MAY contribute in a small way to minor performance gains only in conjunction with a dialed in diet and exercise program, multiple bottles will need to be used to notice anything as the product is underdosed and will need at least a doubling of the dose to see even minimal gains beyond what diet and exercise will afford you"
instead most companies/reps play this bs game of massive marketing hype with overt claims of gains derived from the product with clever marketing and doublespeak, and then call someone out when your B*^&sh%t claims and marketing leave them feeling like a spurned prom date!
06-19-2010 11:01 AM
my tendonitis of the left elbow was so bad 4 months ago i could not even do dumbell curls beyound 20 lbs, it WAS bad, ive been taking supper cissus reg. and it improved almost instantly, within two weeks i was curling heavy with min. pain, and now it is gone, and i mean gone, and this was a problem i was dealing with for months, super cissus fixed it and there is nothin anyone could say that would make me belive anthing different. pslin freakin rules too, btw. go usp!
Originally Posted by kingdong
06-19-2010 11:03 AM
The first 5-6 posts are from members agrreeing with the OP and venting some degree of frustration. Keyboard flamers are doing little to no good by attacking and belittling posters who feel differently. For more than one person to feel there is a hype train in motion, obviously there is an issue here whether you agree or not. It is getting increasingly difficult to question products integrity in marketing with all the keyboard flamers here lately. For everyone member whi has the courage to speak up, there are dozens that stay silent. Let's try and keep the ignorant flaming out of this. Obviously, there is an issue here.
06-19-2010 11:07 AM
Originally Posted by USPLabs
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06-19-2010 11:08 AM
Mulletsoldier said it, emiliozapata said it, so I am going to repeat it in case the OP can not grasp the concept...
Supplements are SUPPLEMENTAL to a GOOD and WELL-PLANNED routine and diet--- period! There is no "magic pill" (powder, liquid, etc) for ANYTHING. There is no substitute for doing research on what best fits YOU and YOUR GOALS, and then following through. It is time-consuming and intense, but your body is like a sports car, after you own it for a while, tune it, add aftermarket mods, and whatnot, you get a feel for what works and what doesn't, and adjust things (your lifestyle) accordingly.
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