To clarify my intentions of this thread is to learn more and discuss the science behind the usage of Caffeine + Forslean/Coleus 20% vs Pink Magic. Im not intending to bash USP's product but rather use this thread to open up a venue for discussion on some of the science behind their formulation from a slightly different perspective then that which may have or have not been discussed already on the forum
I want to discuss both of these options from a Cost vs Benefits/Reward/Efficiency perspective if that makes sense?
So from whats written about HOW pink magic appears to work, Im going to simply state these are working through cAMP, cGMP and Testosterone. These are the 3 main methods of action that are claimed to be used by Pink Magic if im not wrong. So taking this into mind lets see what Pink Magic is said to do to cAMP, cGMP and Testosterone...
1) Raise cAMP and cGMP by inhibiting phosphodiesterase from the Nelumbo nucifera and Rhamnus nakaharai.
2) Increased LH and Testosterone from an aqueous extract of Massularia acuminata.
1) Caffeine inhibits phosphodiesterase which prevents cAMP and cGMP from degrading/breaking down.
2) Forslean/Forskohlii has been shown to directly increase cAMP levels and has been shown in human studies to lead to favourable increases in Testosterone, and has been shown to have a stimulatory effect on the cAMP levels of testicular Leydig Cells. Am I right here that the Caffeine's PD inhibiting activity combined with Forslean positively increases Steroidogenesis?
So we have the components in Pink Magic that can increase cAMP + cGMP by inhibiting various phosphodiesterase ... And the other component that has been shown to raise Testosterone + LH favourably we can say, but in Animal Studies...Which raises the question, would this work the same way in humans, and if so, how effectively?
And on the other side of the Wrestling ring...We have the Caffeine + Forslean/Forskohlii 20% Extract...
The Caffeine being able to Inhibit phosphodiesterase thereby decreasing the breakdown of cAMP + cGMP. And then we have Forslean/Forskohlii which has is shown to Directly increase cAMP levels and lead to an Increase in Testosterone, and this has been shown in Human studies as opposed to Animal studies and shown to give favourable Decrease in BodyFat as well increases in Lean Body Mass.
So...If we were to use a dose of approx 200mg Caffeine Anhydrous + 50mg of Forslean/Forskohlii active per day VS one daily serving of Pink Magic....Which one would be able to deliver the best results? So in terms of inhibiting the breakdown of cAMP + cGMP/Increasing cAMP + Raising Test levels...Which product would be able to do that more effectively?
Bearing in mind the cost of one bottle of Pink Magic, in comparison with the cost of Caffeine Anhydrous pills + Forslean/Forskohlii which should be able to give you enough for a 2-3month cycle, right?
Would the Caffeine + Forslean duo give more Muscle Mass + Fat Loss Gains in Comparison with 1 Bottle of Pink Magic's gains?
What would be the advantages/disadvantages of the Caffeine + Forslean in comparison to the Pink Magic? Is there something that one of these products is able to do significantly better than the latter?
I hope im not asking too much here, My main questions are based around the Cost vs Reward ratio for both of these products. If im wrong on any of the things ive pointed out in my post, please do tell me what to adjust/edit and I'll be happy to do so, im just trying to learn more like all of you
Kind regards,
Vish
I want to discuss both of these options from a Cost vs Benefits/Reward/Efficiency perspective if that makes sense?
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So from whats written about HOW pink magic appears to work, Im going to simply state these are working through cAMP, cGMP and Testosterone. These are the 3 main methods of action that are claimed to be used by Pink Magic if im not wrong. So taking this into mind lets see what Pink Magic is said to do to cAMP, cGMP and Testosterone...
1) Raise cAMP and cGMP by inhibiting phosphodiesterase from the Nelumbo nucifera and Rhamnus nakaharai.
2) Increased LH and Testosterone from an aqueous extract of Massularia acuminata.
---=[Caffeine + Forslean]=---
1) Caffeine inhibits phosphodiesterase which prevents cAMP and cGMP from degrading/breaking down.
2) Forslean/Forskohlii has been shown to directly increase cAMP levels and has been shown in human studies to lead to favourable increases in Testosterone, and has been shown to have a stimulatory effect on the cAMP levels of testicular Leydig Cells. Am I right here that the Caffeine's PD inhibiting activity combined with Forslean positively increases Steroidogenesis?
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So we have the components in Pink Magic that can increase cAMP + cGMP by inhibiting various phosphodiesterase ... And the other component that has been shown to raise Testosterone + LH favourably we can say, but in Animal Studies...Which raises the question, would this work the same way in humans, and if so, how effectively?
And on the other side of the Wrestling ring...We have the Caffeine + Forslean/Forskohlii 20% Extract...
The Caffeine being able to Inhibit phosphodiesterase thereby decreasing the breakdown of cAMP + cGMP. And then we have Forslean/Forskohlii which has is shown to Directly increase cAMP levels and lead to an Increase in Testosterone, and this has been shown in Human studies as opposed to Animal studies and shown to give favourable Decrease in BodyFat as well increases in Lean Body Mass.
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So...If we were to use a dose of approx 200mg Caffeine Anhydrous + 50mg of Forslean/Forskohlii active per day VS one daily serving of Pink Magic....Which one would be able to deliver the best results? So in terms of inhibiting the breakdown of cAMP + cGMP/Increasing cAMP + Raising Test levels...Which product would be able to do that more effectively?
Bearing in mind the cost of one bottle of Pink Magic, in comparison with the cost of Caffeine Anhydrous pills + Forslean/Forskohlii which should be able to give you enough for a 2-3month cycle, right?
Would the Caffeine + Forslean duo give more Muscle Mass + Fat Loss Gains in Comparison with 1 Bottle of Pink Magic's gains?
What would be the advantages/disadvantages of the Caffeine + Forslean in comparison to the Pink Magic? Is there something that one of these products is able to do significantly better than the latter?
I hope im not asking too much here, My main questions are based around the Cost vs Reward ratio for both of these products. If im wrong on any of the things ive pointed out in my post, please do tell me what to adjust/edit and I'll be happy to do so, im just trying to learn more like all of you
Kind regards,
Vish