No worries about fat gain with cinnamon as GDA/mimetic
- 06-09-2010, 05:19 PM
No worries about fat gain with cinnamon as GDA/mimetic
No matter the arguements about proper nomenclature for cinnamon's MOA I will say this - there is no cause for concern that cinnamon will increase adipose accumulation through insulin sensitizing of adipocytes. I say this with authority due to the fact that for almost a month straight now I have been high end dosing cinnamon extract 4% essential oils extract 250mg per pill, which I have been taking upwards of 8 per day.
My caloric intake has decreased over the last 3 weeks, but macro breakdown is high good fats i.e. lots of sardines, salmon, EVOO, Tahini and Natty PB. I am down in weight and as ripped or more than I have ever been.
The jury is still out on any benefit derived from increased muscle cell sensitivity, but I appear to have lost little to no strength in the face of my cut and size is unaffected.
The bottom line is this though, ZERO negative results as far as fat gain, so for those looking for a very inexpensive way to manipulate insulin anabolism don't overlook cinnamon!
- 06-10-2010, 06:34 AM
Haven't experimented with cinnamon extracts just yet but plan to in the future.
Anabolic pump and P-slin always treats me well. the only other GDA I've tried was Glycobol and that one made me gain fat pretty fast. Diet wasn't the factor either was the same i used with AP.
- 06-10-2010, 07:25 AM
Monstermah...same here. For some reason I gained fat on glycobol, but not on AP!!
06-10-2010, 07:49 AM
06-11-2010, 08:29 AM
06-11-2010, 09:16 AM
My interest in cinnamon was peaked when my father (who's diabetic) was told to drink two black cups of coffee a day and use a tablespoon of cinnamon to help with his blood sugar. Docs can be wrong too but I've been thinking of trying something like the what the OP is doing since I heard this.
06-11-2010, 09:23 AM
who the **** told him to drink coffee, coffee can lead to poor glucose uptake, and its been shown in studies.
Cinnamon is fine,
if your fathers a diabetic, i assume his triglycerides and cholersterol are slightly elevated... and he is type 2, if thats the case i would recommend recompadrol by lean body formulations which was designed for that exact reason.
forget coffee with carbohyrate containing meals if you want to try and increase insulin sensitivity. PERIOD
06-11-2010, 09:25 AM
Our slin is one of the most under rated supplements out there. It's amazing stuff.
Cinnamon is amazing ****. It's what makes ASGT so good. I think VPX took it out of shotgun, which is a shame since it is just too damn good to leave out.
06-11-2010, 09:28 AM
06-11-2010, 09:35 AM
OP, are you taking the cinnamon extract with meals containing carbs, or with every meal no matter what the macros?
I've tried a number of GDAs and typically respond very strongly - i.e. hypoglycemia becomes problematic.
06-11-2010, 10:01 AM
I'm confused. you say your overall calorie decreased over the span of the week yet your good fats increased (stating that you also dropped your protein/carb macros to accommodate the increase in calories from the fat).
and you're surprised you lost weight? and you also contribute all of this to Cinnamon? IMO, i see a good small deficient diet that would elicit fat loss while minimal - to no muscle mass/strength loss. Essentially a recomp. How big of a deficient are you on? I would start to contribute many of your results to cinnamon if you were well over 500-1000 under you maintenance calorie.
i am not attacking you, i am genuinely curious.
06-11-2010, 10:06 AM
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06-11-2010, 10:11 AM
06-11-2010, 10:12 AM
for a significant effect you need a few tables spoons a day maybe more to reach the point of clinical study findings. and cinnulin youll just need a few 100 mg per day.
06-11-2010, 10:48 AM
06-11-2010, 11:51 AM
06-11-2010, 11:54 AM
Decafinated due to chlorogenic acids effect on cortisol. Otherwise no
06-11-2010, 12:02 PM
However, little of that evidence comes from studies on lab animals used to do research that cannot be done in humans
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06-11-2010, 12:04 PM
06-11-2010, 02:15 PM
06-11-2010, 05:52 PM
for the two questions directed towards me, 1) Yes, I have been taking the cinnamon pills with every meal or shake, regardless of macro breakdown.
2- as for the question of the weight loss being associated with the cinnamon or simply due to decreased caloric intake in spite of high fat intake, I don't know nor do I care. I never attributed any fat loss to cinnamon. I simply stated that despite the presence of high dietary fat intake, there is no evidence of fat gain secondary to the cinnamon. Certain peddlers of so called GDA products on these boards have stated that cinnamon will increase the response to insulin of both muscle AND fat cells, whereas their product doesn't. My conclusion is that this is NOT something to fear.
06-12-2010, 10:12 AM
06-12-2010, 10:15 AM
I am not saying that coffee will cure diabetes, afterall there's only an association. But i think it goes a long way to show that even though caffeine has a short-term effect on blood glucose and insulin sensitivity, in the long-run it doesn't matter so much.
06-12-2010, 10:27 AM
06-12-2010, 10:30 AM
06-12-2010, 10:36 AM
A lot has to do with chlorogenic acid to help with the insulin sensitivy and cortisol which both play a part in developing diabetes.
All I'm sayin is if its not decaf will not help as much. Especially with the diets ADA and most nutritionist recommend (higher carb lower protein and moderate fat). They look for stability over time which helps but if you pre diabetic it can be reversed through a better diet and supplement scheme
06-12-2010, 12:35 PM
06-12-2010, 05:06 PM
Not trying to be antagonistic (well, maybe a little), but what is up with the nicey nice all the time? Why not just call a spade a spade and say the product did absolutely nothing for you and it sucks. Would be much more valuable feedback than just agreeing that it is great, when from what you have stated you actually don't feel that way.
06-12-2010, 05:16 PM
06-12-2010, 09:26 PM
Nice, Emilio! (As if you need to be more ripped ).
Crazyfool, more studies show chronic coffee consumption increases insulin sensitivity and reduces risks of diabetes, than not. Most studies showing it decreases sensitivity are very short term, and/or flawed (giving a whoppin dose to non-coffee drinkers).
06-12-2010, 09:28 PM
06-12-2010, 09:32 PM
Well, coffee has been shown to reduce the incidence of adult onset diabetes, and that is caffeinated coffee, not decaf.
06-12-2010, 09:34 PM
and even if thats the case its due to the effect on catecholemines from caffeine which doesnt negate the fact it poorly effect glucose metabolism.
ps i like your icon,
its like 2 people are 69ing then something happens and POW body slam
06-12-2010, 10:06 PM
Lol, that's a judo throw. Violence, not sex. the coffee thing is not well understood. I'm pretty sure his doc wasn't totally off base, though.
06-12-2010, 10:11 PM
06-13-2010, 04:37 AM
06-13-2010, 04:40 AM
06-13-2010, 11:46 AM
I have been a long time user of cinnamon, often powdering my oatmeal with so much it makes it difficult to swallow, four times per day (especially during contest preparation phases). I would however like to compare blood sugar levels and onset of hypoglycemia between canela molida (not Cinnamomum verum, true cinnamon - that's another story!) and cinnulin extract or other standardized extracts.
06-14-2010, 07:48 AM
Have you seen the videos online where people try and swallow a tablespoon of cinnamon? They are hilarious.I have been a long time user of cinnamon, often powdering my oatmeal with so much it makes it difficult to swallow, four times per day (especially during contest preparation phases). I would however like to compare blood sugar levels and onset of hypoglycemia between canela molida (not Cinnamomum verum, true cinnamon - that's another story!) and cinnulin extract or other standardized extracts.
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