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    bulking up stack help..wats the best stack?


    ok im writing this for a friend of mine who doesnt use the computer lol so im doing him the favor in trying to find the best bulk stack. He wants to get huge. He asked whats the closest thing to steroids and i have no idea what to recommend..He want to gain 10lbs min.....Any recommendations?

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    The closest thing to steroids is steroids. Test e for 12 weeks will get you 10lbs without even working out, lol.

    Just playing but seriously - if he wants to gain and he isnt then he probly isnt missing a key supplement but rather is missing a key in his diet or training. Ask "your friend" () to post his diet/training and training experience as well as stats (height/weight/bf%).

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    lol ur gonna probably need more info before most people will tell u about whats the strongest stuff out there,

    but here goes, based on no information, strongest stuff around still superdrol PH, turinabol LV, a good cotisol supressor for PCT, a SERM for PCT liver juice for liver portection on cycle, creatine, BCAA, protein food food food...... i also like to use a good preworkout, my fav at the moment is Maximize V2!
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    at the moment hes working so i cant get more info..but i can give a rough draft lol..hes 5'9" weighs 190 trains 4-5 times per week..
    jn- can u put a stack for him? ill just give him a stack and ill let him go from there...
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    Quote Originally Posted by halfhuman View Post
    at the moment hes working so i cant get more info..but i can give a rough draft lol..hes 5'9" weighs 190 trains 4-5 times per week..
    jn- can u put a stack for him? ill just give him a stack and ill let him go from there...
    Is he looking for a PH or a natty stack? Is he ready for a PH in terms of knowing what to do for PCT, etc. I'm concerned that he isnt using a computer..... i mean..... personal computers have been mainstream for about 25 years now.
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    Yeah he probably needs a natty stack.
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    First off he should do plenty of reading first, a natty stack does seem best, I never like seeing things like I want the closest to thing to steroids, my answer is do a 16 week cycle of test p and eq shooting 4 times a week, 64 shots total. Shoot your traps then squat the next morning, that makes you a man, or stupid not sure which. But on a more serious side fenugreek extract products work well, testopro or phytotest are good products. D aspartic acid supplements are getting popular, I've been taking tcf-1 myself. I am also a fan of powerfull by usp labs. Resveratrol is also a hot thing in the natural market, helps increase libido, fights estrogen. Those would be good places to start. I still say a 16 week cycle works best though, just my opinion though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HATEFULone View Post
    First off he should do plenty of reading first, a natty stack does seem best, I never like seeing things like I want the closest to thing to steroids, my answer is do a 16 week cycle of test p and eq shooting 4 times a week, 64 shots total. Shoot your traps then squat the next morning, that makes you a man, or stupid not sure which. But on a more serious side fenugreek extract products work well, testopro or phytotest are good products. D aspartic acid supplements are getting popular, I've been taking tcf-1 myself. I am also a fan of powerfull by usp labs. Resveratrol is also a hot thing in the natural market, helps increase libido, fights estrogen. Those would be good places to start. I still say a 16 week cycle works best though, just my opinion though.
    Phytotest and Tcf-1 would be a pretty ballin stack.
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    Yea he wants anything that will best help and give the most gains...he said no needles though lol he scared of them..so I guess anything else...idk I'm confused about all this I'm like clueless to all of it...can u give a detailed cycle on wat supplement and when to take and how long..like a scheduled breakdown..I appreciate it people..at the moment I'm reading and trying to educate myself on this as well...but at the moment I'm clueless lol...he said a ph or natty even though he don't know lol..watever is best I guess
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    I was reading a lil on the phytotest and tcf-1 stack seems pretty good...anything else I can add to it?
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    Lots of guys have bulked up nicely on this, I would recommend using tcf-1 in pct as well, phytotest could also be added.
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    Based on your and your friends general lack of knowledge on this stuff I am going to say stay away from hormonal products, they are unnecessary at this point.

    First and foremost, work on your diet and routine, once this is improved, you could look to at some of the following products:

    A Testosterone boosting supplement containing DAA, or D-Aspartate Acid. It works by naturally, (nonhormonal), raising testosterone through the conversion of cholesterol into Testosterone. A product that contains DAA is:Testosterone Conversion Factor-1. I would run this for 12 days on, 12 days off, and 12 days back on, which would use up a bottle.

    Previously people mentioned stacking this with Phyto-Testosterone. This wouldn't be a bad idea, because you might get the effects of increased testosterone two fold. Fenugreek, or more specifically the standardized extract Testofen, is the active ingredient in Phyto-Test. It has been shown to mimic the effects of increased testosterone, which can lead to mass gain and strength increase. This is another Primordial product: Phyto-Test

    If you/your friend are not using creatine, then I would definitely look to add this product. Creatine is by far one of the most studied supplements in the industry and is proven effective by increasing performance of an athlete, which will lead to attaining your goals. Creatine goes back and forth as far as people's recommendation, but I always go Primordial with Creatine. The reason why is that they use only Creapure creatine, which is a highly purified and strictly tested form of creatine monohydrate that comes from Germany. Can't beat the price of Primordial's 1000g tub. Creapure.

    You will also want to consider a preworkout. These can give you the extra intensity you need to push hard during a workout and increase intensity. As of now I am using White Flood by Controlled Labs. It has given me extreme intensity and is a very strong stimulant. It has been my saving grace to push through a few workouts. I am currently awaiting a shipment of Anadraulic State GT from LG Sciences, it is sai to be less of a heavy stim, but more designer designed pre workout. White Flood, ASGT

    So basically a stack that looks something like this would be pretty good and completely natural:

    Phyto-Testosterone
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    Creapure is bomb, very pure no extras. White flood is a solid product and a great price. I am still waitiing to take phytotest for a test run though, might get it this month, so excited.
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    maybe some prime?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    maybe some prime?
    I still really want to try prime at some point, I have heard some great things...
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    I took prime when the first run came out on sale, I did not notice anything spectacular. However I was using the old dosing protocol that was later thrown out the window. I would like to try it again and dose much higher. Although right now I'm on a powerfull, sustain alpha, and tcf-1 stack that I am liking very much so.
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    Kickstart with 4wks of dbol then sust/deca for 16/14 weeks. This OTC stuff is garbage. You retain all water weight then just lose it soon after. Been there done that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SemperFi9999 View Post
    Kickstart with 4wks of dbol then sust/deca for 16/14 weeks. This OTC stuff is garbage. You retain all water weight then just lose it soon after. Been there done that.
    So you are recommending an AAS cycle to someone knowing nothing of their diet/routine/anything? Hell I dont even think he mentioned an age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    So you are recommending an AAS cycle to someone knowing nothing of their diet/routine/anything? Hell I dont even think he mentioned an age.
    This is to the masses that are recommending this OTC garbarge. Even TRT dosages of test will yield anyone better results and save them lots of $ in the long run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SemperFi9999 View Post
    This is to the masses that are recommending this OTC garbarge. Even TRT dosages of test will yield anyone better results and save them lots of $ in the long run.
    Which will completely disregard peoples wishes to:

    • Stay Natural (competitive reasons)
    • Stay natural (health reasons)
    • choose to avoid injection
    • choose to stay within the law


    AAS is definitely not for everyone, and OTC supplementation has seen a drastic increase in effectiveness. To disregard the whole market is an overspeculation, just as recommending AAS to everyone is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    Which will completely disregard peoples wishes to:

    • Stay Natural (competitive reasons)
    • Stay natural (health reasons)
    • choose to avoid injection
    • choose to stay within the law


    AAS is definitely not for everyone, and OTC supplementation has seen a drastic increase in effectiveness. To disregard the whole market is an overspeculation, just as recommending AAS to everyone is.
    Some AAS are alot safer than destroying your liver with these PH's and using OTC PCT stuff. To each his own, and TRT is legal with scripted AAS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SemperFi9999 View Post
    Some AAS are alot safer than destroying your liver with these PH's and using OTC PCT stuff. To each his own, and TRT is legal with scripted AAS.
    Oh, I didnt recommend him any oral PH/DS, in fact I told him to stay away from them completely. Yes I believe AAS can be safer then PHs, but I think both would not be the best for this person, who is most likely young, and slightly inexperienced. Everything recommended in my post is created with natural compounds.

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    sorry for the delay...well my friend is 38 years old and he said he diets good..he is on creatine and all the other basics and was taking muscle tech nano x9 yes muscle tech lol...He said he took a pro hormone before is called "Advanced Muscle Science Pro Anabolic Kit" he took the whole cycle of it....He takes advice from his friend at work..I told him i can get some advice from u guys bcause u guys know what u talking about...Im not into the whole ph and stuff but i am educating myself...he does train hard just looking for a new stack thats the best i guess...
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    all these prefixes i have no idea what they mean lol.....
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    AAS = Anabolic Androgenic Steroids
    PH = ProHormone
    DS = Designer Steroid
    TRT = Testosterone Replacement Therapy
    DAA = Active ingredient in TCF-1
    TCF-1 = Testosterone Conversion Factor-1 (a natural supp by primordial)
    OTC = Over the counter
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    That should cover most this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by halfhuman View Post
    sorry for the delay...well my friend is 38 years old and he said he diets good..he is on creatine and all the other basics and was taking muscle tech nano x9 yes muscle tech lol...He said he took a pro hormone before is called "Advanced Muscle Science Pro Anabolic Kit" he took the whole cycle of it....He takes advice from his friend at work..I told him i can get some advice from u guys bcause u guys know what u talking about...Im not into the whole ph and stuff but i am educating myself...he does train hard just looking for a new stack thats the best i guess...
    Well his age changes things a bit. Tell him to drop the muscle tech. Is he looking for an anabolic or a natural stack? If anabolic, then find out what his calorie intake is, weight, height, and how long he has been working out.
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    maybe a test booster will do him some good
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    Heretostudy. Thank you. He's looking for anabolic but no needles. Cals he said Is around 2500. He's 5"9'. Weighs 190 he has a stubburn belly fat. He's been working out since sept last year.
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    Yea I told him to drop mt. Lol. Well he took that prohormone I described earlier in the post. But he said it didn't do much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by halfhuman View Post
    Heretostudy. Thank you. He's looking for anabolic but no needles. Cals he said Is around 2500. He's 5"9'. Weighs 190 he has a stubburn belly fat. He's been working out since sept last year.
    Well here is my suggestion:

    Eat 3500 calories. 2500 calories is rather low to bulk with, if he is worried about fat he can increase his cardio slightly.

    Since you/he won't listen to me anyway:

    Go for an Hdrol run. Hdrol can give fairly large gains as well as some fat loss. It has been a very successful compound for the community.

    You can see the steroid profile of hdrol here:

    Hdrol, as well as most oral anabolics, require liver support, such as milk thistle. I would recommend running Liver juice which is a milk thistle product in liquid form that is shown to be very effective for liver protection.

    The one other supplement you will want to look at is cycle assist from CEL. Cycle assist can be beneficial in many ways, including keeping Blood Pressure under control.

    You WILL need a post cycle therapy for this cycle. There is no question of this, and if you even consider skipping it, then don't bother running the cycle. It can throw your hormones so far off normal that you end up needing testosterone replacement therapy the rest of your life. If you are going to do a cycle do it safe.

    I recommend the following:

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    Nolva/Clomid/Toremifene. These are not sold in stores and you must look for where to get them from. Do not ask for a source on the boards as this will lead you to being banned. Don't skimp on this, if you cant find them, don't bother running the cycle.

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    I would run your creatine during PCT, but not on cycle. Adding it back to PCT will help you keep your gains.

    I would also look into a resveratol product for PCT. Resveratol can keepp estrogen under control while giving your testosterone a boost. An example of a resveratol product would be Sustain Alpha, also by Primordial.

    You can also look to have cortisol control added to PCT, in that instance a product such as endoamp will provide you with cortisol control, slight test boost and possible GH increase, provided by ingredients such as Alpha-Size.

    Basically what I would recommend is just going with the Turinabol-LV stack from Primordial. Turinabol is h-drol in a liqua-vade form which makes it significantly easier to dose properly. The stack comes with the Turinabol, Liver Juice, Endo Amp, and Toco-8, which is a vitamin e complex that will provide cardiovascular benefits and keep cholesterol under control.

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    By the way, on the cycle:

    Eat at least 3500 calories
    Drink 1.5-2 gallons of water a day
    Watch your macros, make sure you are getting the proper amounts of Protein/Carbs/Fats.
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    Holy crap!!! 3500 cals? Ok I'll make sure I tellbhim all that
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    So hdrol with the turinabol of stack? I mean I don't wanna go searching for something that's not for me LOL so ibrather stick to something I can get for him rather easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by halfhuman View Post
    Holy crap!!! 3500 cals? Ok I'll make sure I tellbhim all that
    That is why I kinda dont think he should jump right into a cycle, he could get some serious gains from upping his calories alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by halfhuman View Post
    So hdrol with the turinabol of stack? I mean I don't wanna go searching for something that's not for me LOL so ibrather stick to something I can get for him rather easy.
    Turinabol = the name of Hdrol produced by Primordial.
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    Yea he told me he takes in 2500 so illbtell him to up his calories to min of 3500. So I'll recommend turinabol. Im guessing he just need to up cals and turinabol as his supplement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by halfhuman View Post
    Yea he told me he takes in 2500 so illbtell him to up his calories to min of 3500. So I'll recommend turinabol. Im guessing he just need to up cals and turinabol as his supplement.
    But remember, Turinabol is a prohormone, so the rest of those supplements are necessary for his health.
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    Ok not a problem...Can you give me a run down on the supplements and when and how to dose..I appreciate all your help
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    Quote Originally Posted by halfhuman View Post
    ok im writing this for a friend of mine who doesnt use the computer lol so im doing him the favor in trying to find the best bulk stack. He wants to get huge. He asked whats the closest thing to steroids and i have no idea what to recommend..He want to gain 10lbs min.....Any recommendations?

    man there is SOO many factores that go into play here its hard ot help, as for 10lb he pobibly just need to work on hi diet and trainning but....

    a good muscle building stack i would rec is:
    TURINABOL MUSCLE STACK from pp.

    I would also rec ASGT from lg with it for pre-workout and if he dont like stims then Pre-max from pp.

    we need more info to help better but thats a stack i rec.
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    Click Science Tab, and it will give you how to run the supplements:
    Just inject.
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