The best energy/ fat loss supp

[rochabp]

so i was wondering which should i use in my next cut im looking for something that will give me extreme energy (i dont mind jitters) and will help in fat loss. and yes i know diet is crucial and so is cardio. lets talk strictly supps which is the best for what i mentioned

 

[Rosie Chee]

so i was wondering which should i use in my next cut im looking for something that will give me extreme energy (i dont mind jitters) and will help in fat loss. and yes i know diet is crucial and so is cardio. lets talk strictly supps which is the best for what i mentioned

BLACK CATS delivers everything you want and MORE - energy withOUT the jitters, fat loss, appetite suppression, mental focus and clarity, etc. It's cheap and effective, and if your nutrition and training (and no, cardio is NOT crucial to fat loss - this is a myth; it's more about nutrition and RESISTANCE training!) are right on schedule, then IMO, it's the perfect addition to a cut, and I would personally make a stack - BLACK CATS and IGF-2 being the key products (with my other staples).

~Team APPNUT

 

[NPCout]

OEP and Adipoxil. You could always try EC as well.

 

[seunim]

OEP is what I use these days. I have seen great results with OEP, a clean diet of around 2200 calories, and yes...cardio.

Hmmm...cardio is NOT crucial to fat loss??? :thinking:

 

[abformulations]

Cardio is an extra step to lose fat. I agree with Rosie to a certain point. Cardio is good for overall health. Intense training and diet should be sufficient. Get up and go stack is good

 

[srgraham69]

yeah get up and go stack works very well, also liked i-force's adipoxil gave alot of energy.

 

[Mick81]

RPM for clean energy hit

OEP / Recreate stack for stimmed energy jitters and fat loss

 

[rochabp]

OEP and Adipoxil. You could always try EC as well.

have you tried EC im honestly kinda scared i heard about some heart problems it gives you.

 

[rochabp]

can anybody compare OEP to black cats?

 

[Thunder1]

Oep first then recreate for me.

 

[fightbackhxc]

FLS + a thermogenic

 

[criticalbench]

Adipoxil and OEP for sure.

 

[Clickster]

MAN Scorch
Axis Labs Adipo-X
MHP Anadrox

-Those are the best fat burners I have ever used. In no particular order, they were all awesome in different ways.

 

[rochabp]

FLS + a thermogenic

whats FLS?

 

[nattydisaster]

OEP + Alpha-T2 -- hands down.

http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/pesupplments/the-get-up-and-go-stack-alpha-t2-oxyelite-pro.html

 

[rochabp]

OEP + Alpha-T2 -- hands down.

http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/pesupplments/the-get-up-and-go-stack-alpha-t2-oxyelite-pro.html

how many pills do you take of each
OEP-3 or 2 or 1?
t2- 3? 2?

 

[fightbackhxc]

whats FLS?

fat loss stack by PP

 

[srgraham69]

how many pills do you take of each
OEP-3 or 2 or 1?
t2- 3? 2?

i ran this at 1 of each am and 1 of each pm with good effects, u could start with that and up it to 2 of each am/1 each pm if u want it

 

[Eric160]

check out map arson and biotest hotrox

 

[ekdevil]

ECA

 

[rochabp]

check out map arson and biotest hotrox

as weird as this may sound
i heard arson was good even though its from one of muscletechs companies
any input on this or not worth it?

 

[Gator 87]

as weird as this may sound
i heard arson was good even though its from one of muscletechs companies
any input on this or not worth it?

It's just hydroxycut with a different label and different BS written on it.

 

[Frequency]

RPM+E rocks

 

[EustisPanther]

Stimerex-ES with 25mg Ephedra

 

[AnthonyIOSOS]

I am using Sam Hardcore and notice fat loss. This is of course complemented with a good diet and cardio. My wife really likes Speed V2, and is currently running her third bottle with 20 pounds down. Once again good good diet and cardio. I have also tried Astrology Phex in the past, pretty intense.

 

[AnthonyIOSOS]

I am using Sam Hardcore and notice fat loss. This is of course complemented with a good diet and cardio. My wife really likes Speed V2, and is currently running her third bottle with 20 pounds down. Once again good good diet and cardio. I have also tried Astrology Phex in the past, pretty intense.

Oops, auto type. Atro.

 

[rochabp]

I am using Sam Hardcore and notice fat loss. This is of course complemented with a good diet and cardio. My wife really likes Speed V2, and is currently running her third bottle with 20 pounds down. Once again good good diet and cardio. I have also tried Astrology Phex in the past, pretty intense.

what is Astrology Phex? do you mean SAN Tight Hardcore?

 

[AnthonyIOSOS]

what is Astrology Phex? do you mean SAN Tight Hardcore?

Droid Incredible has a mind of its own! You know what I meant.

 

[UniqueJustin]

Clen and T3 DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDdlicious

 

[rochabp]

Droid Incredible has a mind of its own! You know what I meant.

first time i typed sam hardcore on google and a whole bunch of porn popped up

 

[AnthonyIOSOS]

first time i typed sam hardcore on google and a whole bunch of porn popped up

Lmao.

 

[seunim]

first time i typed sam hardcore on google and a whole bunch of porn popped up

I suspect that with enough effort, the porn could lead to fat loss as well. :naughty:

 

[rochabp]

I suspect that with enough effort, the porn could lead to fat loss as well. :naughty:

and increase in forearm muscle

 

[footballfam]

can anybody compare OEP to black cats?

Tried samples of both liked Black Cat better. Still miss SX

 

[rochabp]

Tried samples of both liked Black Cat better. Still miss SX

hey how did you get free samples? from company or what?
i also noticed you a football fam i hope you mean american, if so you play fantasy football?

 

[footballfam]

hey how did you get free samples? from company or what?
i also noticed you a football fam i hope you mean american, if so you play fantasy football?

Not sure if I requested the Black Cats, but they were sent to me. I picked up Oxy Pro samples from one of our local nutrition stores.

No fantasy football, my husband use to coach hs football and both my boys have played from when they were little thru high school.

 

[cmw]

Since we cannot get AX SlimXtreme anymore VPX Meltdown does it for me. I've tried others, but always go back to Meltdown.

 

[rochabp]

Since we cannot get AX SlimXtreme anymore VPX Meltdown does it for me. I've tried others, but always go back to Meltdown.

is meltdown good stuff or what bro? i want that crazy stim effect b/c i have high tolerance to stims, maybe its my asthma medicine which has downregulated my beta receptors as i constantly take albuterol. so im looking for crazy stim with good fat loss

 

[Outstanding]

In order...
-DNP
-Clen/T3/Ketotifen
-Ephedra/Caffeine
-VPX Clenbutrx
-Gaspari's Mitotropin
-VPX Meltdown (am) Redline Black-on-Blue (afternoon)

 

[sluggy]

In order...
-DNP
-Clen/T3/Ketotifen
-Ephedra/Caffeine
-VPX Clenbutrx
-Gaspari's Mitotropin
-VPX Meltdown (am) Redline Black-on-Blue (afternoon)

Thanks for your input! That's a pretty hardcore list.

 

[Outstanding]

Thanks for your input! That's a pretty hardcore list.

Completely my pleasure!

How are things progressing?

 

[sluggy]

Completely my pleasure!

How are things progressing?

Not too well to be honest.
I'm only 23 so I don't want to get involved with anabolics at this stage.

So all I've got is herbs and spices.. hahaha

Give me a few months, and we'll see what I've got.
Any suggestions?

 

[worm]

E/C definently works best. Is way cheaper than any of the other fat burners you listed. And you can adjust your dosage of each.

 

[Onnoc]

Since we cannot get AX SlimXtreme anymore VPX Meltdown does it for me. I've tried others, but always go back to Meltdown.

Look at AX Stimulant-X for SlimXtreme

 

[TeXaStRoNg]

Stimerex-ES with 25mg Ephedra

This is a bad a** product. It suppressed my appetite and gave me energy. However, if u take it too late at full dose I can guarantee u won't be getting any sleep that night!!

 

[89coupe]

Can you stack Oxyelite pro ephedrine?

 

[DrAbs989]

Can you stack Oxyelite pro ephedrine?

yea, u can...but there are easier ways to get heart attacks out there :thumbsdown:

 

[Outstanding]

Not too well to be honest.
I'm only 23 so I don't want to get involved with anabolics at this stage.

So all I've got is herbs and spices.. hahaha

Give me a few months, and we'll see what I've got.
Any suggestions?

Hi Sluggy, as far as suggestions - only because you asked, I will give you my honest and sincere feelings on the matter. Twenty three years old is not too young to contemplate calculated and safe AAS implementation by any measure; many pros have received their IFBB cards at and prior to that age. If you foresee yourself graduating from the 'herbs and spices' realm into anything anabolic by nature or the claims of the manufacturer, pro-hormones or otherwise, it only makes sense to engage in and rely upon the authentic and substantiated long standing validated substances that can impart meaningful gains and strides toward your ambitions in the form of AAS.

For some reason, unknown to me (aside from the incessant obnoxiously uneducated slanderous campaign waged by the media) why there exists this darkened cloud of fear and judgment that ultimately leads to the refusal to take advantage of the pharmaceutically sound and proven compounds with over a half century of efficacy evidence; opposed to these redundant DHEA-based 'pro hormones' that continue to bubble to the surface in countless iterations beckoning unaware users to empty their wallets all in an attempt to suffuse their physique with another ounce of lean mass.

I won't continue to belabor my stance on this subject... but as a quick summation of my feelings and direct advice for you to consider moving forward, either make a strong and fervent unshakable commitment to yourself to remain a natural athlete who endeavors to train for the love of being a fit and capable athlete, or, put repeatedly validated science and anabolic firepower into your regimen by means of anabolic additives, and save yourself the circular hopeless experimentation with all these other gray market and so-called 'hard core' third generation pro hormones, which don't amount to much more than advertisement perpetuated reincarnations of old-school low dosed shoddy proprietary pathetic-ness with shiny packaging and semi-attractive pale females falling over themselves to feel the rippled abs of the model in the ad who is obviously deeply involved in the self study of pharmacology, HA!

 

[ryox82]

Hi Sluggy, as far as suggestions - only because you asked, I will give you my honest and sincere feelings on the matter. Twenty three years old is not too young to contemplate calculated and safe AAS implementation by any measure; many pros have received their IFBB cards at and prior to that age. If you foresee yourself graduating from the 'herbs and spices' realm into anything anabolic by nature or the claims of the manufacturer, pro-hormones or otherwise, it only makes sense to engage in and rely upon the authentic and substantiated long standing validated substances that can impart meaningful gains and strides toward your ambitions in the form of AAS.

For some reason, unknown to me (aside from the incessant obnoxiously uneducated slanderous campaign waged by the media) why there exists this darkened cloud of fear and judgment that ultimately leads to the refusal to take advantage of the pharmaceutically sound and proven compounds with over a half century of efficacy evidence; opposed to these redundant DHEA-based 'pro hormones' that continue to bubble to the surface in countless iterations beckoning unaware users to empty their wallets all in an attempt to suffuse their physique with another ounce of lean mass.

I won't continue to belabor my stance on this subject... but as a quick summation of my feelings and direct advice for you to consider moving forward, either make a strong and fervent unshakable commitment to yourself to remain a natural athlete who endeavors to train for the love of being a fit and capable athlete, or, put repeatedly validated science and anabolic firepower into your regimen by means of anabolic additives, and save yourself the circular hopeless experimentation with all these other gray market and so-called 'hard core' third generation pro hormones, which don't amount to much more than advertisement perpetuated reincarnations of old-school low dosed shoddy proprietary pathetic-ness with shiny packaging and semi-attractive pale females falling over themselves to feel the rippled abs of the model in the ad who is obviously deeply involved in the self study of pharmacology, HA!

While I understand your position on this and do believe that anabolics have their place if used with a solid understanding of how to take advantage of them, the danger lies in obtaining them from a reputable source, that won't scam you, and will sell you what is advertised, hell, I havnt even been able to find clen from a place that I felt safe ordering from. At least with the herbals, you have reputable places to purchase from with a good amount of reviews so you have an idea of what to expect.

 

[Outstanding]

While I understand your position on this and do believe that anabolics have their place if used with a solid understanding of how to take advantage of them, the danger lies in obtaining them from a reputable source, that won't scam you, and will sell you what is advertised, hell, I havnt even been able to find clen from a place that I felt safe ordering from. At least with the herbals, you have reputable places to purchase from with a good amount of reviews so you have an idea of what to expect.

This has a lot of momentum behind it, and I won't disagree. However, like nearly any objective or desire in life - with enough intense passion and unstoppable research and dedication toward an envisioned end result, anything is possible. What I mean by that, is with a few simple searches on Google, you can populate several long standing and well respected forums that offer sourcing and stay current on scam artists and allow members to share unbiased and real-time feedback on any given supplier or substance. Also, I would be remiss if I didn't at least make mention of the fact the supplement industry has been plagued tirelessly by several recurring and sporadic instances of product contamination, label falsities, and out right consumer dishonesty leading to court proceedings.

As far as Clenbuterol and other so-called research chemicals are concerned, this is also a very muddy subject, but again with enough research and reputable anecdotal reporting, the dependable sources always rise to the top, while the others fade in an incessant battle of rumors, defense, and attempting to slander their competitors to death, Chem One and Ancillary Guys serve as an example. Innovative Peptides and a few others have transcended the years and survived (even evolved) in light of the constantly changing landscape of AAS/AI/SERM usage.