Testosterone Conversion Factor-1 (TCF-1) is here! D-aspartic acid supplement
- 06-14-2010, 02:51 PM
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- 06-15-2010, 01:21 PM
06-15-2010, 02:59 PM
That sale is pretty nice, I may have some cash left over to take her out, I didn't realize almost everything was on sale, very nice. Might use this as an opportunity to get some phyto test to add to my sustain and tcf-1.
06-15-2010, 10:04 PM
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06-16-2010, 08:33 AM
I am running tcf-1, phyto and 6 bromo right now. Libido and vascularity are outrageous at the moment.
I do see a little at some point in my future as well
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06-16-2010, 08:39 AM
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06-16-2010, 06:29 PM
Now that everyone keeps mentioning dermacrine it seems to be calling me, what would the best way to use dermacrine, phyto test, tcf 1, and sustain be?
06-16-2010, 07:32 PM
06-17-2010, 02:40 AM
06-17-2010, 04:14 PM
When its all said and done, you're going to find that they are equally effective. PA has always put out good products. PP seems to have the same. You are going to get your money's worth from both. A bigger issue is how long are you going to run it. The original 12 days on was lame. It takes 2-3 weeks for an actual steriod to really kick in. What the hell do you think you are going to do in 12 days,(with what, 42% rise in test) especially when they claim 6 days to start working? I actually felt insulted when PP stated, "months supply", 12 on 12 off. Thats like giving me a"months" supply of tequilla but telling me I have to stop drinking the last two weeks to rest my liver. Anyway the new dosing fixed that and would bring me in for a try. We're not going to find out anything as far as results(muscle gain,fat loss) till someone takes it for several weeks. A clinical rise in test means nothing until somebody reports back with real results.
06-17-2010, 04:19 PM
However, I am sooooooo sick of the 12 days on 12 off argument.
Primordial choose to recommend to their customers to run it at what is humanly tested. There are no tests indicating what happens day 13 on if you stay on? will you be fine? Probably, but as a company they took the safe route. They would have made a hell of alot more if they had you take it everyday for the rest of your life, but they didnt want to put anyone at risk.
It is like being pissed that they say to run Turinabol-lv for 6 weeks. There are many people who have ran it for 8+, but they choose to give a safe effective dosage.
06-17-2010, 04:26 PM
I agree somewhat. And actually since that has been fixed, I could have left that part out. However,again, what did PP think wa going to happen in 7 days? (starts working at 6) I think they should be able to make money but also have some responsibility to give you a product that gives results. I don't care about raising test for 7 days. I want to grow, or have a good PCT.
06-17-2010, 04:41 PM
I feel the short bursts that are recommended would be why its better suited for pct than as a standalone T booster. These mini cycles of it seem Great for a quick hormone boost, get in and get out for pct, instant results to help get your T up but not long enough to supress, just my thoughts.
06-17-2010, 04:54 PM
Agree totally on that and actually thats probably my plan very soon. Although I am intrigued by longer dosing, I am somewhat skeptical about tricking your body into producing higher levels of test over an extended period.
06-17-2010, 05:17 PM
I am still looking for where PA said it to link for you guys..
here you go
"the makers of the italian DAA actually recommend using it for 90 days straight"
06-17-2010, 05:19 PM
I think zombiemuscle has been using tcf 1 mega dosed and for longer than 12 days but not sure, I will check
06-18-2010, 06:21 PM
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06-19-2010, 11:14 AM
tastes like candy!
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06-19-2010, 01:06 PM
06-20-2010, 06:26 AM
06-20-2010, 12:05 PM
But I unfortunately bought 2 tubs of testforce. Tastes like pond water.
Did buy some TCF-1 though, will be nice to actually look forward to taking DAA than preparing myself to quickly choke it down and trying not to through up.
06-20-2010, 12:58 PM
If you cant handle the taste then mix it with kool aid or something. No offense, but man up a little bit.
not going to get into why TestForce is better cause this is a pro TCF-1 thread
06-20-2010, 05:10 PM
06-20-2010, 06:56 PM
Is that so...
That is quite a strong statement to make, so I would imagine you'd have a copious amount of scientific (not anecdotal) data to back up your statement here? If not, it's nothing more than your own opinion (anecdotally).
Our TCF-1 utilizes the form of D-Aspartic Acid that has evinced significant clinical effects. The argument whether or not it could be used longer (or higher dosing) with better effect is essentially irrelevant until further long term randomized comparative testing is completed to substantiate the claim.
I don't doubt that TestForce is a good product, but to say it's "better" than our TCF-1 without any data to support it makes it look like you have nothing more than an obvious agenda here.
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