Why I think Kre-Alk is some BS

[fidget324]

Ok guys, I hear a lot of people raving about Kre-Alk, and companies like SciFit and All American boasting its superiority over creatine monohydrate. The companies all cite a study done on Bulgarian Olympic weight lifters for their claims. Yet the study DOES NOT back these claims at all. So let's review:

All American claims that "At low doses (1.5 - 3 grams) Kre-Alkalyn® boosts endurance and training capacity for up to three hours." However, the lifters used in the study each took 7.5 grams per day. At this amount, the cost of NutraPlanet brand Kre-Alk (I believe the cheapest out there) would be almost $2 per day. This is about 20 times the cost of the same amount of creatine mono.

All American also claims that the men in the study who used Kre-Alkalyn gained "28% more raw power" than the men who used creatine monohydrate. This may have been valid, but there is nothing in the study to suggest that this is a significant difference. In every clinical trial, there is bound to be regular sampling variation for each observance of data. For trials like these, statistical analysis of the data using 2-sample T-tests or ANOVA is required. These tests determine whether or not the difference of the means in the tested groups is significant enough to attribute to the test variable. This is concluded based on the resultant p-value, a number which gives the likelihood that the difference between the means could have occurred by chance. For a study like this one where type 2 error is not a huge issue, the p-value must be less than .05 to conclude that the difference between the means is significant. Absolutely NO p-value for any of the results was given in this study. There can be two reasons for this:
1) The researchers didn't test for significance, which would technically nullify all claims made by the study.
2) The researchers found p-values, but they were higher than .05 and therefore were not worth including in the results.

Finally, the study did admit that there was no difference in size gain between the two groups.

To conclude, Kre-Alkalyn may in fact be a legit product. But the study on Bulgarian athletes does not back this in any way. So why do people rave about it? I can't say for sure, but my best guess is that in terms of chemical composition Kre-Alk is closer to creatine monohydrate than any other creatine variation, and monohydrate has been proven time and time again to give results. Kre-Alkalyn might give good results, but as I have made quite clear above, it does not seem to be worth the extra cash.

If you would like to view the study for yourself, here's a link:
getkre-alkalyn.com/admin/images/Kreclinical_trial_WL.pdf

Hope this turns some heads XD

 

[djbombsquad]

Con-cret all the way. Kre Alk is just mono with a buffer look at the patients. So to conclude is Kre Alk any better than mono not for its price. Con-cret is also mono based but with out the water retention which is something I like. No bloat but all the benefits of creatine and I know companys have been asking promera health the company that makes con-cret to licence out there creatine and they have been in talks apparently as not just 1 but several companys would like to use there creatine.

 

[iForce]

CEE and kre-alk are complete and utter scams, cee being the largest culprit.

 

[ecosocialist]

Creatine mono + soda ash + fillers + stupid pricetag = Krealk

 

[fidget324]

Con-cret all the way. Kre Alk is just mono with a buffer look at the patients. So to conclude is Kre Alk any better than mono not for its price. Con-cret is also mono based but with out the water retention which is something I like. No bloat but all the benefits of creatine and I know companys have been asking promera health the company that makes con-cret to licence out there creatine and they have been in talks apparently as not just 1 but several companys would like to use there creatine.

You should really read my latest thread "Why I think Con-Cret is some BS." I'm pretty sure it will change your opinion on this.

 

[fidget324]

I love how all of the Kre-Alk fans aren't commenting

 

[gymrat827]

I havent tried it, but i plan to. There are so many people out there who love it, they rant and rave about it. It has to work pretty good for some many people to be all over it.

 

[chocolatemilk]

I love how all of the Kre-Alk fans aren't commenting

Bump

I used to call myself a hard gainer at 150 pounds. Tried Kre-Alk, a weight gainer, solid diet and training, and put on 30 pounds in two months. Muscles were very hard and looked very toned (everyone had told me creatine makes you look a bit puffy). Lost a good 25 pounds of water weight over the next month as I abruptly stopped working out after taking a construction job.

Tried mono after that because people like you convinced me it would be better lol and I bloated and experienced the "puffy" people were talking about even my face was puffy.

I love Kre-Alk and that's my personal opinion. To me it came down to how both products made me look. I know they are the same thing in essence (creatine) and it doesn't make sense that one would make you look different but man... difference between night and day for me. Performance was really the same between the two. Nice rush of energy from both.

 

[BigBeazy]

Its creatine. I personally like the Con-crete. Its a really small dose, I liked the sour taste, and it worked pretty good. I mean FFS its creatine. Its really hard to mess that up.

 

[jbray]

I enjoy it. I believe it has a better transportation system then mono powder itself.

 

[fidget324]

Its creatine. I personally like the Con-crete. Its a really small dose, I liked the sour taste, and it worked pretty good. I mean FFS its creatine. Its really hard to mess that up.

You should read my post on why I think Con-Cret is BS.

 

[fidget324]

Bump

I used to call myself a hard gainer at 150 pounds. Tried Kre-Alk, a weight gainer, solid diet and training, and put on 30 pounds in two months. Muscles were very hard and looked very toned (everyone had told me creatine makes you look a bit puffy). Lost a good 25 pounds of water weight over the next month as I abruptly stopped working out after taking a construction job.

Tried mono after that because people like you convinced me it would be better lol and I bloated and experienced the "puffy" people were talking about even my face was puffy.

I love Kre-Alk and that's my personal opinion. To me it came down to how both products made me look. I know they are the same thing in essence (creatine) and it doesn't make sense that one would make you look different but man... difference between night and day for me. Performance was really the same between the two. Nice rush of energy from both.

This is interesting. I personally never experience any kind of bloat when I'm on a cycle of mono as opposed to cycling off. As for your weight gain and performance, I would attribute that more so to your diet, training, and mass gainer than your choice of kre-alk over mono. I have no doubt that Kre-alk works, as it is very very close in composition to mono. However I simply can't see the justification for the higher cost.

 

[kingdong]

You should read my post on why I think Con-Cret is BS.

Send us a link. Im interested.

The thing is, there is noresaerch at the moment that mono causes bloating water retention over the muscles. It fills the actual muscle with water, but that's a goood thing.

 

[AntonG42O]

I like Kre-Alk, first time i tried it i noticed a difference right away. Did extra sets and felt more energy all around. Placebo or not but it works for me. I take like 2 or 3 rather than the reccomended 1, so i guess its about 5 grams of mono. dont wanna buy into the hype then dont order it. I myself ran out so now im trying out nutra's bulk mono. its not like Kre-alk costs $60 like those hype preworkout beast master concoctions

 

[fidget324]

Send us a link. Im interested.

The thing is, there is noresaerch at the moment that mono causes bloating water retention over the muscles. It fills the actual muscle with water, but that's a goood thing.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/151167-why-i-think.html

And yes it is a good thing

 

[kingdong]

I like Kre-Alk, first time i tried it i noticed a difference right away. Did extra sets and felt more energy all around. Placebo or not but it works for me. I take like 2 or 3 rather than the reccomended 1, so i guess its about 5 grams of mono. dont wanna buy into the hype then dont order it. I myself ran out so now im trying out nutra's bulk mono. its not like Kre-alk costs $60 like those hype preworkout beast master concoctions

Just a warning: Ive heard bad thinngs about Nutra mono. I'd get creapure.

 

[AntonG42O]

Just a warning: Ive heard bad thinngs about Nutra mono. I'd get creapure.

ahhh damn really? im not even halfway down a half kilo!! whatever im not loading on it just using 5 grams pre or post. you know what bad things exactly you heard? fillers or something?

 

[rulk22]

I tried Concrete and it works...Just like creatine should. Not too long ago I finally tried Creapure creatine (got mine from Primordial Performance btw) and it will be the last and only creatine I ever use. It works just as good or better in some cases than any other creatine out there. Factor in the price and its a done deal.

 

[kingdong]

ahhh damn really? im not even halfway down a half kilo!! whatever im not loading on it just using 5 grams pre or post. you know what bad things exactly you heard? fillers or something?

Just a little bloating in the stomach, which would be digestion related. Supplement users can be paranoid, so I'd take it with a grain of salt.

 

[BigBeazy]

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/151167-why-i-think.html

And yes it is a good thing

I've read it, but still. If it works, It works.

Prime is B.S. but it works for some.

 

[chocolatemilk]

This is interesting. I personally never experience any kind of bloat when I'm on a cycle of mono as opposed to cycling off. As for your weight gain and performance, I would attribute that more so to your diet, training, and mass gainer than your choice of kre-alk over mono. I have no doubt that Kre-alk works, as it is very very close in composition to mono. However I simply can't see the justification for the higher cost.

I work around the cost factor by not using Kre-Alk 24/7 like some use creatine 24/7. To be honest I only use it when I want to look good for something in 2 weeks. It is my wonder supp for quick, fast, non permanent, amazing looking gains in crazy short periods of time.

I hate with a passion using Kre-Alk for a month or 2 months cycle making gains like 20 pounds and losing it all after stopping. I just don't see the point at all in using creatine like that and don't see the point to be on it 24/7. It psychologically puts you down like hell to watch yourself shrink and it's not like gear where you can keep any "water" gains lol. It's like my secret for looking GREAT and FAST--nothing else. I never worry about cost using it in this way.

 

[slackadjuster]

Ok guys, I hear a lot of people raving about Kre-Alk, and companies like SciFit and All American boasting its superiority over creatine monohydrate. The companies all cite a study done on Bulgarian Olympic weight lifters for their claims. Yet the study DOES NOT back these claims at all. So let's review:

All American claims that "At low doses (1.5 - 3 grams) Kre-Alkalyn® boosts endurance and training capacity for up to three hours." However, the lifters used in the study each took 7.5 grams per day. At this amount, the cost of NutraPlanet brand Kre-Alk (I believe the cheapest out there) would be almost $2 per day. This is about 20 times the cost of the same amount of creatine mono.

All American also claims that the men in the study who used Kre-Alkalyn gained "28% more raw power" than the men who used creatine monohydrate. This may have been valid, but there is nothing in the study to suggest that this is a significant difference. In every clinical trial, there is bound to be regular sampling variation for each observance of data. For trials like these, statistical analysis of the data using 2-sample T-tests or ANOVA is required. These tests determine whether or not the difference of the means in the tested groups is significant enough to attribute to the test variable. This is concluded based on the resultant p-value, a number which gives the likelihood that the difference between the means could have occurred by chance. For a study like this one where type 2 error is not a huge issue, the p-value must be less than .05 to conclude that the difference between the means is significant. Absolutely NO p-value for any of the results was given in this study. There can be two reasons for this:
1) The researchers didn't test for significance, which would technically nullify all claims made by the study.
2) The researchers found p-values, but they were higher than .05 and therefore were not worth including in the results.

Finally, the study did admit that there was no difference in size gain between the two groups.

To conclude, Kre-Alkalyn may in fact be a legit product. But the study on Bulgarian athletes does not back this in any way. So why do people rave about it? I can't say for sure, but my best guess is that in terms of chemical composition Kre-Alk is closer to creatine monohydrate than any other creatine variation, and monohydrate has been proven time and time again to give results. Kre-Alkalyn might give good results, but as I have made quite clear above, it does not seem to be worth the extra cash.

If you would like to view the study for yourself, here's a link:
getkre-alkalyn.com/admin/images/Kreclinical_trial_WL.pdf

Hope this turns some heads XD

How about trying it for yourself and then let us know what YOU think about it. Results with Kre-Alk will be the same as mono but without the negative side and a smaller dose. Kre-alk is 99.9% creatine. The buffer is measured in PPM. Not soda ash or any of the things people say is used as a buffer. Patent uses sodium bicarbonate to encompass the entire range of pH above 6. This is not the buffer....it would take quite a bit of soda ash to raise pH to 12. More than 2 pills would ever hold. I use Kre-Alk and love it.

 

[purebred]

is it just me or does the fact that kre-alk and CEE were both proven to be barely equal--if not inferior to mono--seem to not have much of an impact on people's decision-making process when choosing "what creatine to take"?

i've been MIA but has there been additional research after disproving CEE/Kre-Alk inferiority to mono?

 

[deadaim]

I thought this was a bumped thread at first, i remember back in 07 kre-alk was basically written off..

 

[AnthonyIOSOS]

I have tried all creates and always end up with the same results. Right now I am using body tech and notice no difference than that of creapure; though I prefer creapure for its purity.

 

[AnthonyIOSOS]

I have tried all creates and always end up with the same results. Right now I am using body tech and notice no difference than that of creapure; though I prefer creapure for its purity.

Creatine*

 

[JN230]

problem is that there are studies proving both sides of the kre alkalyn issue, some prove its very effective for strength and endurance and others prove it is no better than Mono...

 

[slimcharles]

I work around the cost factor by not using Kre-Alk 24/7 like some use creatine 24/7. To be honest I only use it when I want to look good for something in 2 weeks. It is my wonder supp for quick, fast, non permanent, amazing looking gains in crazy short periods of time.

I hate with a passion using Kre-Alk for a month or 2 months cycle making gains like 20 pounds and losing it all after stopping. I just don't see the point at all in using creatine like that and don't see the point to be on it 24/7. It psychologically puts you down like hell to watch yourself shrink and it's not like gear where you can keep any "water" gains lol. It's like my secret for looking GREAT and FAST--nothing else. I never worry about cost using it in this way.

What kind of Kre-Alk are you using for 10lb/month gains? Clearly, I am using the wrong kind.

 

[chocolatemilk]

What kind of Kre-Alk are you using for 10lb/month gains? Clearly, I am using the wrong kind.

I used purple K from fusion and gained 30 pounds in 2 months the first time I ever used kre-alkalyn. Like I said tho, weight gainer, solid diet, and doing mainly compound exercises with a push/pull/legs routine with a weight I could only rep 5 times (strength training). On top of that I know I read here before that drinking water doesn't help creatine gains...but I was drinking water so much during my workouts I would be a pound or 2 heavier after the work out and tons more water outside the gym. it ain't a magic pill as you're implying and don't think switching creatines is the key. It's the diet and training.... and maybe the water? I would change your diet and training before changing creatines.

What is your diet and training like while using it?

 

[warsteiner]

I wouldn't say that Kre-Alk is a wonder supplement but it does make me recover after sessions a lot quicker. Mono and CEE bloat me really badly but with Kre-Alk I gained about 4 lbs of weight but it is the recovery after workouts that really makes it worthwhile for me.

 

[slimcharles]

I used purple K from fusion and gained 30 pounds in 2 months the first time I ever used kre-alkalyn. Like I said tho, weight gainer, solid diet, and doing mainly compound exercises with a push/pull/legs routine with a weight I could only rep 5 times (strength training). On top of that I know I read here before that drinking water doesn't help creatine gains...but I was drinking water so much during my workouts I would be a pound or 2 heavier after the work out and tons more water outside the gym. it ain't a magic pill as you're implying and don't think switching creatines is the key. It's the diet and training.... and maybe the water? I would change your diet and training before changing creatines.

What is your diet and training like while using it?

I was joking dude, there is no way in hell you gained 30lbs in 2 months. Those type of gains are not even possible using the most extreme of anabolics.

 

[rochabp]

bs or not it works for me, so i love kre

 

[chocolatemilk]

I was joking dude, there is no way in hell you gained 30lbs in 2 months. Those type of gains are not even possible using the most extreme of anabolics.

I will tell you right now it is completely possible and I did it. Did you read the part where about 25 pounds flushed out called "water weight" bud. I was on the most strict bulking diet ever in my life and hardest training ever so kiss mine before you denounce my hard work. There is no way in hell anyone will put on 30 pounds of lean muscle using creatine in 2 months.. I put on 25 pounds of water weight while on it. That's a fact. I will find pictures and prove to you slim because all you seem to do is roam the board never agreeing with s*** and arguing.

 

[chocolatemilk]

I was joking dude, there is no way in hell you gained 30lbs in 2 months. Those type of gains are not even possible using the most extreme of anabolics.

150 pounds

http://yfrog.com/4b150lbsj

2 months later after working my effin ass off using kre-alkayn, bulking like hell diet, and weight gainer

http://yfrog.com/2d180lbsj

Slim please see my hard work before assuming I am lying. You can always be wrong when you assume like you just were. But if you asked for some proof before assuming I'm a liar like a normal good argumentative person, you wouldn't look like a jackass right now.

 

[cmw]

I have had good luck with kre-alk, as well.

 

[TravisG]

K.A. is the best creatine ive taken. Im someone who gets sore from very little muscle activity; while on KA my muscles can take alot more without the soreness. This doesnt happen on mono. If KA is BS that I really dont give a rats ass cause it works for me whether its in my head and just a placebo or your blowing smoke up everyones ass. Thats my two cents. Annnd Im out.

 

[kingdong]

is it just me or does the fact that kre-alk and CEE were both proven to be barely equal--if not inferior to mono--seem to not have much of an impact on people's decision-making process when choosing "what creatine to take"?

i've been MIA but has there been additional research after disproving CEE/Kre-Alk inferiority to mono?

No.

 

[slimcharles]

150 pounds

http://yfrog.com/4b150lbsj

2 months later after working my effin ass off using kre-alkayn, bulking like hell diet, and weight gainer

http://yfrog.com/2d180lbsj

Slim please see my hard work before assuming I am lying. You can always be wrong when you assume like you just were. But if you asked for some proof before assuming I'm a liar like a normal good argumentative person, you wouldn't look like a jackass right now.

You are not serious right? First of all, that is not 30lbs between the two pics. Your body fat looks almost the same in both pics, and you look marginally bigger in the second pic. If you took a straight shot of the before pic and after there wouldn't be much difference.

25lbs of water weight? What are you even talking about? That is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard. Do you even know what water weight is? It's the weight of the water you lose when your glycogen is depleted. Carbs pull in water, and creatine does too. No way can anyone carry 25lbs of water weight, I would say 15lbs of fat, 10lbs of water, and 5lbs muscle is what you gained.

I'm honestly just sitting here stunned that people can say these sort of things. I just don't even know what I can possibly say anymore. Surely, I am not the only person on the forum that doesn't find this utterly ridiculous?

 

[chocolatemilk]

Think about this, your bodyfat stayed almost the same. That would indicate you gained 30lbs of pure muscle in 2 months. That is what you believe, that you gained 15lbs a month? :liar:

Dude, please read what I write completely before writing back. I said I gained 25 pounds of water weight. I never said I gained 30 pounds of "pure muscle."

You never seem to read what people write and I noticed this in the other threads of yours when you give your 2 cents worth of s***.

And yes that was a 30 pound difference buddy.. Don't forget the largest muscle group on the body...LEGS... which weren't showing in the pic but were massive after the 2 months.

 

[slackadjuster]

problem is that there are studies proving both sides of the kre alkalyn issue, some prove its very effective for strength and endurance and others prove it is no better than Mono...

I'm not much for how companies market and can't speak for them on this issue. There are no creatine products that can exceed the the effects of mono. We all know that mono is the BASE for all other creatine products. If it wasn't, why would everyone have a CREATINE product. What Kre-Alkalyn does is to make sure the entire dose of creatine gets to the muscle. When the entire dose gets to into the bloodstream, there is a better chance for absorption with a lower dose. This is why KA is dosed at 3g. Also...without breaking down into creatinine, the negative side effects usually associated with mono are GREATLY reduced or completely eliminated.

:usa:
I like this^^ too cool!

 

[chocolatemilk]

HAHA nice edit buddy.

 

[chocolatemilk]

25lbs of water weight? What are you even talking about? That is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard. Do you even know what water weight is? It's the weight of the water you lose when your glycogen is depleted. Carbs pull in water, and creatine does too. No way can anyone carry 25lbs of water weight, I would say 15lbs of fat, 10lbs of water, and 5lbs muscle is what you gained.s

Ok let me reply to this quote now because you seem to keep changing your story around after I rip it apart. When I say "Water weight" I will admit I don't know the inner workings of creatine so when I say "water weight" I am implying that temporary weight gain that you experience on creatine that you end up losing after coming off that everyone seems to be calling water weight these days slim. I lost a solid 25 pounds after stopping working out abruptly so I figured that lost weight was the "water weight" people always talk about.

First post you said my body fat was the same.. now you're putting 15lbs of fat on me.

First post you said I got marginally bigger.. Now you're putting on 15lbs of fat, 10lbs of water, and 5 lbs of muscle........ That is not marginally bigger hahaha.

Get yourself together and stop changing your points. You said you couldn't find a real difference in the pics and now you just threw on a 30 pound difference betwen the two pics. Get outta here!!!!

 

[Garyboy]

Count me in as another Kre-Alk fan.

 

[slimcharles]

Ok let me reply to this quote now because you seem to keep changing your story around after I rip it apart. When I say "Water weight" I will admit I don't know the inner workings of creatine so when I say "water weight" I am implying that temporary weight gain that you experience on creatine that you end up losing after coming off that everyone seems to be calling water weight these days slim. I lost a solid 25 pounds after stopping working out abruptly so I figured that lost weight was the "water weight" people always talk about.

First post you said my body fat was the same.. now you're putting 15lbs of fat on me.

First post you said I got marginally bigger.. Now you're putting on 15lbs of fat, 10lbs of water, and 5 lbs of muscle........ That is not marginally bigger hahaha.

Get yourself together and stop changing your points. You said you couldn't find a real difference in the pics and now you just threw on a 30 pound difference betwen the two pics. Get outta here!!!!

What are you talking about? I edited my post because I saw you said water weight, and 25lbs is still ridiculous.

I'm not putting any lbs on you, I have no idea what you are rambling on. I said IF SOMEONE were to put on 30lbs in 2 months it would most likely be 15lbs fat, 10lbs water, and 5lbs muscle. It's an example, do you understand what an example is? Can you read?

No creatine in the world is going to add 25lbs of water weight.

 

[hoopem6]

2 months later after working my effin ass off using kre-alkayn, bulking like hell diet, and weight gainer

Are you sure it was the Kre-Alkalyn Creatine that was responsible for your dramatic weight gain?

 

[chocolatemilk]

I'm not putting any lbs on you, I have no idea what you are rambling on..

You're not putting any weight on me? Oh really..

Slimcharles: " I would say 15lbs of fat, 10lbs of water, and 5lbs muscle is what you gained."

 

[Harry Manback]

Ovaltine > Chocolate milk.

 

[chocolatemilk]

Are you sure it was the Kre-Alkalyn Creatine that was responsible for your dramatic weight gain?

No not at all. It was a combination of everything. Forget kre-alkalyn for a second tho... If I did that training with the same diet and no creatine.. You know I would only gain like 5-6 pounds max. I gained 30 no BS. I've always responded amazing to creatine.

Creatine mono and kre-alkalyn work the same for me in terms of strength gains and mass gains. I just like the look that kre-alk gives me cuz for some reason mono bloats me and gives me a puffy face.

 

[chocolatemilk]

Ovaltine > Chocolate milk.

LOL you would

 

[hoopem6]

No not at all. It was a combination of everything. Forget kre-alkalyn for a second tho... If I did that training with the same diet and no creatine.. You know I would only gain like 5-6 pounds max. I gained 30 no BS. I've always responded amazing to creatine.

Creatine mono and kre-alkalyn work the same for me in terms of strength gains and mass gains. I just like the look that kre-alk gives me cuz for some reason mono bloats me and gives me a puffy face.

Well, you previously stated you gained 30 pounds over a month's time while only retaining about five pounds of actual weight gain... Making your aforementioned statement of "5-6 pounds max" entirely plausible.

While I am not doubting your results, I'd assume your increased caloric intake (alongside the use of weight gainer) was responsible for your weight increase. The 25 pound "water weight" loss you experienced was more than likely the result of a caloric deficit coming off a bulking phase (i.e. you were no longer consuming the same amount of calories as you were on cycle, and your body weight adjusted accordingly).

Additionally, Kre-Alkalyn Creatine use does not lead to an increase in water retention or bloat. In fact, most users report a decrease in water retention.