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    2 Supplements Bit The Dust


    Coming soon....... Hydroxy cut and Betalean HP are gone as in discontinued.....along with adipo, these are 3 of the more effective fat burners.....and all 3 are gone.....imagine that


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    is xenadrine off the shelves yet???

    I might need to make a dash to walmart soon :P

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    I think the EFX is (the ephedrine version)

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    Hydroxycut? You're kidding right?
    Everytime I learn of a Muscletech going off the market it makes me feel better so don't be bull****tin!! And this has got to be their best selling product.

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    Hydroxycut is ok, but it's expensive as hell.
    If you want an ECA, try AST dymetadrine extreme.

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    Originally posted by u4ik_rage
    Hydroxycut? You're kidding right?
    Everytime I learn of a Muscletech going off the market it makes me feel better so don't be bull****tin!! And this has got to be their best selling product.
    Yea, Greg Kovaks lost a whole Backstreet Boy that he gained off Cell Tech with Hydroxycut

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    YJ, where'd you see this info?

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    Well its going around the net, but Ive read it at various Medical and Health sites too......its not discontinued as of yet I dont think, but upcoming (due to the ephedrine content) not to mention there's a new, advance Hydroxycut coming out.... Im sure it will be ephedra free....

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    Originally posted by YellowJacket
    I think the EFX is (the ephedrine version)
    Regarding Xenadrine being pulled, it has not so far been pulled from shelves of the SuperTarget or SuperWalMart where I live (midwest), and I am speaking of the one with ephedrine, which to correct YJ is -RFA 1 I believe. So for now you should still be able to find it along with the EFX, which is the ephedrine free version.

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    Ah, so the Hydroxycut name will still be out there. An already overpriced supp that will be watered down to top it off.

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    I have had quite a few friends who like Hydorxycut. That sounds too bad for them. Damn we may reach the point one day where we all have to do cardio to lose weight. Mavbe exercise is going to become an important part of the food pyramid.

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    Originally posted by DarCSA
    I have had quite a few friends who like Hydorxycut. That sounds too bad for them. Damn we may reach the point one day where we all have to do cardio to lose weight. Mavbe exercise is going to become an important part of the food pyramid.
    Dammit!!! we can't have that!!!!!!!!!

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    I must have missed something.  Did ephedra get banned?  I know some places were requiring 18+ to get it, but what is the current legal status?

     

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    Originally posted by DarCSA
    Damn we may reach the point one day where we all have to do cardio to lose weight.
    LOL, a dreadful thought.

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    Originally posted by whosyourdaddy02
    I must have missed something.  Did ephedra get banned?  I know some places were requiring 18+ to get it, but what is the current legal status?

     
    Still very much legal. Just all the bad press and skyrocketing insurance rates. Seems like many people who don't know the first thing about exercise, are ephedrine experts. "That thing will make your heart explode."

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    Originally posted by u4ik_rage


    Still very much legal. Just all the bad press and skyrocketing insurance rates. Seems like many people who don't know the first thing about exercise, are ephedrine experts. "That thing will make your heart explode."
    Yup, euphoric rage hit it on the spot. Basically, because of all the bad press and lawsuits, insurance companies started pissing their pants. Because of this, the premiums for companies selling products with Ephedra, skyrocketed. Because of this huge increase in insurance premiums, the profits of many of the big companies (like Muscletech, EAS, Twinlab, etc...) quickly became losses for all of their ECA products. Henceforth, they have stopped making product with ephedra. People who still want the power of an ECA stack will still be able to make it themselves, so no need to lose sleep.

    As for Hydroxycut, the new formula is already being marketed. Now they're centering their advertisements around HCA (Hydroxy Citric Acid). They claim that they have a super-concentrated version of the stuff. They're quoting research that shows that the concentrated HCA (the stuff in Hydroxycut) make people who did 30 minutes of low-intensity cardio 5 times per week, for 8 weeks, lose 10 pounds. I haven't read this study, but i'd like to see if it included a control group. Alot of that weight can be attributed to the cardio.

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    Pisses me off, I don't use ECA's as much anymore, but I really liked Betalean HP, one of the few good EAS products that wasn't crazy $$$$. The crumbling begins for our old friend the ECA....

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    wouldnt one company capitalize on this opportunity to control the entire ECA market? Or would it be too expensive for them to have a monopoly, and charge whatever prices they want?

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    I found this on the EAS website:

    http://www.eas.com/products/product_...ProductName=81

    In the past EAS has claimed for its BetaLean and BetaLean HP products that:

    BetaLean and BetaLean HP combine the original ephedrine and caffeine combination along with a unique proprietary formula consisting of L-Tyrosine, Naringin, Coleus Forskohli and Green Tea to enhance the overall thermogenic effect.

    In litigation concerning EAS's advertising practices a United States District Court found that this claim is not true and that the proprietary formula has been found to reduce and inhibit the overall thermogenic effect of the ephedrine and caffeine combination.

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    Originally posted by Biggin


    Regarding Xenadrine being pulled, it has not so far been pulled from shelves of the SuperTarget or SuperWalMart where I live (midwest), and I am speaking of the one with ephedrine, which to correct YJ is -RFA 1 I believe. So for now you should still be able to find it along with the EFX, which is the ephedrine free version.
    the guy at GNC said they were discontinueing it but could sell thier remaining stock

    (I do not shop at GNC, I like to price things.. lol)
    (5pounds whey protein... 59.99 .. on sale 49.99)
    Last edited by Havok; 01-27-2003 at 08:34 AM.

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    Originally posted by Havok


    (5pounds whey proteing.. 59.99 .. on sale 49.99)
    ummm...uhhhh....Havok, that suppose to be a bargain at 50 bones for the 5pounder? ummm.....if you think it is, welcome to this board, you will find a world of good info (i suggest you hit up the supplement section first & look for some threads concerning cheap supp sites) But if im reading and translating this incorrectly and uknow that still aint a bargain....then WELCOME!!! Sage

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    No, I meant its funny how they over price.. and its not just a few dollars or 2.
    I was laughign at their "sale"
    When I pass by the GNCs I like to see how much they are over charging, and people are shopping there all the time

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    Oh, and the cheap supps thread is great. I went around pricing stuff last week, and some stuff you could save alot with different sites, especially the price buster.
    It would all depend on the shipping and how much you were ordering

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    I went over to Max Muscle to get a bottle of Xenadrine about 2 weeks ago. It was gone, and I was informed by the owner that it was no longer being produced and as soon as stock is gone, there will be no more Hydroxycut, Ripped Fuel, or ISS Zenatrope either. I called Twinlab and ISS and they verified this, so I ran out to Wal-Mart and bought 3 bottles of Ripped Fuel on sale and although they had over 50 bottles of Xenadrine EFX (ephedra free), there was a big empty space where the RFA used to be.

    The girl at Twinlab also verified that the major problem was insurance rates, with some companies actually refusing to offer insurance to anyone making ephedra products. All those companies will continue to make ephedra free versions, but they're not worth a dime.

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    i got some junkmail yesterday from e.a.s, it had an article about thier new and improved fat burner coming soon , it did not say anything about being ephedra free but it wasnt that in depth , it was basicly a fluff article.

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    Originally posted by Sheesh




    As for Hydroxycut, the new formula is already being marketed. Now they're centering their advertisements around HCA (Hydroxy Citric Acid). They claim that they have a super-concentrated version of the stuff. They're quoting research that shows that the concentrated HCA (the stuff in Hydroxycut) make people who did 30 minutes of low-intensity cardio 5 times per week, for 8 weeks, lose 10 pounds. I haven't read this study, but i'd like to see if it included a control group. Alot of that weight can be attributed to the cardio.

    10 pounds over basically a two month period while doing cardio 5 times a week. That is really not impressive at all.

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    As everyone knows the gov. is pushing insurance companies to raise thier rates to the larger companies that produce(ed) ephedrine based fat burners. Most of these companies are shifting over to the ephedrine free burners, some of them actully look promising. But the E/C/A will be around for a while, until the Gov. actully makes a ban on Ma Huang and Ephedra. Im suprised that one major company isnt sucking it up and paying the high insurance, because they would cash in big time if there the only big company still producing it.

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    Re: New Information Regarding This....


    Originally posted by Sheesh
    These might be of interest to those following this thread....


    http://www1.internetwire.com/iwire/r...lease_id=50590

    http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?...p;archive=true
     

    "Actually, it’s supposed to be even better,” said the employee, who declined to give her name. “Our propriety blend works better at burning fat than the product containing ephedra.”

    Is it 1900% better than an ECA??? LOL....  Unless they have something in that bottle that we don't know about, there isn't a chance IMO that it'll be more effective than the tradition ECA...

     

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    Re: Re: New Information Regarding This....


    Originally posted by whosyourdaddy02


     

    "Actually, it’s supposed to be even better,” said the employee, who declined to give her name. “Our propriety blend works better at burning fat than the product containing ephedra.”

    Is it 1900% better than an ECA??? LOL....  Unless they have something in that bottle that we don't know about, there isn't a chance IMO that it'll be more effective than the tradition ECA...

     


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    Originally posted by SCORPIO
    A bit more ephedra info: http://www.nutritionaloutlook.com/fr...nutrition.html
    "Senator Richard Durbin (D–IL) is ephedra's most ardent critic. In August, he joined Tommy Thompson, secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (Washington, DC"

    I thin senator DICK Durbin needs to get on some ephedra himself....

     

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    Originally posted by whosyourdaddy02


    I thin senator DICK Durbin needs to get on some ephedra himself....

     
    You been watching your xXx DVD a bit too much now haven't you??

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    Ephedra illegal in NY!!!!


    Off the wire from the New York Post

    February 12, 2003 -- Suffolk lawmakers last night passed a ban on the sale
    of the dietary supplement ephedra.
    Legislator John Cooper, who sponsored the bill, said ephedra can be
    extremely dangerous.
    "The industry lobbyists don't want people to know this, but the simple fact
    is ephedra kills," he said.
    Ephedra is a popular herb commonly used for weight loss and body-building.
    The Food and Drug Administration has reports of 100 deaths among ephedra
    users.
    (BTW - Suffolk is on Long Island, NY)

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    will you still be able to cap up your own E/C pills?

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    Originally posted by BigVrunga
    will you still be able to cap up your own E/C pills?
    For now yes, unless you live in New York. In New York, ephedra is against the law.
    Last edited by Sheesh; 02-13-2003 at 05:03 PM.

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    what about mu huang (sp?)

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    Originally posted by BigVrunga
    what about mu huang (sp?)
    Ma Huang is ephedra.

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    efx is the non-ephedrine system. RFA-1 is the ephedrine version, and they are both still ont he shelf.

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    Kill VPX sports now, **** this these guys are literally ripping people off in the worst ways. i have heard of lab tests containing half of what the bottle says it does. And they are like 500 dollars for a bottle of **** that isnt even LEGIT? jesus christ that is lame.

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