- 02-19-2010, 04:37 PM
What's up guys. After trolling around here for a while I thought it was time for me to post. I've got a lengthy athletic history with a wide range of interests, but for the last year and a half I've been completely consumed with Crossfit. I could go on for hours about why I like it so much, but that's not what this forum is for.
My only complaint about Crossfit is the negative attitude toward supplementation. There is a very negative attitude toward "unnatural" supplementation that I just don't understand. Some people dabble in protein and maybe some creatine, but that's really about as exotic as it gets. Clean diets are a must and a lot of people are into DHA/EPA Omega 3 supplementation... Regardless, I've taken it upon myself to reach out to you good people to let me know what's up.
My question for any crossfitters out there (or anyone familiar with CF methodology) is this: What are some of the more cutting edge supplementation methods out there that could benefit a healthy, strong crossfitter looking to maintain cardiovascular endurance and build upper body strength?
Some more info on me:
Diet: Paleo Diet with 3-5 cheat snacks allowed throughout the week in order to keep up variety and accomodate busy lifestyle.
CF Three on/ One off. These workouts vary tremendously and each one pushed the body to its limits in a unque way.
Jacked (two level scoops AM, two level scoops pre-W/O)
8 teaspoons Carlson's DHA/EPA (4x2 tsp)
4x Now ZMA Capsules before bed
Any thoughts, concerns, ideas, complaints are welcomed.... let me know what ya'll think. Thanks!!
- 02-19-2010, 05:01 PM
Citrulline Malate, Beta-Alanine, and BCAA's I feel would be especailly beneficial to a crossfitter.
- 02-19-2010, 05:24 PM
I was on crossfit for about 2 years. I took white flood and either purple wraath or xtend. I also took When and omega 3 which probably is good for any workout. Honestly, the only thing I ever needed was the pre workout to get a good workout on a busy day.
One thing...I used to not know a lot about supps and didn't cycle the white flood. This was a huge mistake. The natural tenancy to take it a little easy for 10 days or so followed by a real kick in the pants you get going back on Jack3d/white flood is a great way to overcome time plateaus. The 1st time I did this, I cut like 0:30 - 1:00 off of Fran/Elizabeth/Helen after 2 months of no significant improvement.
I guess creatine couldn't hurt.
02-19-2010, 05:25 PM
Test E. 1 Gram/week 10 weeks... probably see something from that...
JK BTW lol
02-19-2010, 07:31 PM
Crossfit def. isn't a joke. My brother-in-law owns a gym in Park City Utah.......everytime i'm done a work out i'm the one on the floor trying to breath.
But you're right, I have noticed that they don't really give a crap about supplements. They seem to all be about acquiring the proper nutrients via diet.
Btw- ever try the Paleo pancakes?
02-19-2010, 08:56 PM
02-19-2010, 08:57 PM
02-19-2010, 09:01 PM
02-19-2010, 09:47 PM
02-19-2010, 11:10 PM
Out of curiosity: If you're interested in building strength, why are you following crossfit?
02-19-2010, 11:56 PM
Lol crossfit is a joke, I didnt think people took it seriously.
02-20-2010, 12:11 AM
02-20-2010, 02:01 AM
02-20-2010, 02:07 AM
I started to run. I ran a half-marathon, then a couple of marathons, but then I could barely bench press my bodyweight.
I've been doing Crossfit for long enough to know that it's exactly what I've been looking for. I suppose the strength I'm after is different than the strength a lot of people on this site. I'm looking for balanced strength that doesn't bastardize work efficiency and aerobic output. Crossfit seeks to balance multiple channels of fitness at the same time. I'm at a place right now where my overhead lifts/movements aren't on par with my performance on squats, cleans, explosive hip movements, running, rowing, pullups and overall metabolic conditioning.
02-20-2010, 09:01 AM
02-20-2010, 10:19 AM
02-20-2010, 10:23 AM
02-20-2010, 11:43 AM
Congratulations on what your resting heart rate used to be. Who are your biggest, strongest athletes? Chances are, they're specialists who seek achieve world class performance at their given specialty. Reggie Bush will beat me at a 40 yard dash, but I'll beat him at anything over 5K. I've had the chance to workout with NFL linemen who could bench press a house... but they couldn't hang with Crossfitters on a continuous 30 minute circuit. Boxers and MMA practitioners regularly come in to Crossfit and they liken it to getting punched in the mouth:
(I tried to link a video here but wasn't allowed to. Youtube search "crossfit fighter challenge" to view the video)
In 2003 BJ Penn (who is his day would have destroyed any boxer you put in front of him) incorporated Crossfit into his training. His coach developed a workout made to simulate the demands placed on the body during an MMA fight of three 5 minute rounds. At the end of the workout he collapsed to the floor in exhaustion. When asked about the workout he said it was like a "fight gone bad", hence the name of the notorious workout. Drop in to your local CF gym and give it a shot, let me know how it goes for you.
(Again, wasn't allowed to post video. Youtube search "fight gone bad explained" to view)
I started this thread to get some supplement input from some people that pay close attention to the latest developments in the supplement industry. Some people have replied back with really helpful information. You came off of the top rope with absolutely no constructive information. I don't know which Crossfitter stole your girlfriend, but it seems that a brazen disdain for crossfit has left you incapable of adding anything relevant to this thread. I'm done arguing the merits of this proven method with you. Enjoy your weekend.
02-20-2010, 11:56 AM
Being in the military and seeing people do this.
My personal opinion is this is the most retarded workout ive ever seen. bodyweight squats for 300 reps then sprinting a mile, the bodyweight deadlifts for 100 reps does nothing for me.
I do see crossfit being good for those who are overweight and out of shape to get in shape and shed pounds like a mofo
but for anyone wanting to get bigger or stronger
i just dont see it happening
i do like how crossfitters brag about geting rhabdo like its a badge of honor or something
yes ive seen the tshirts
I wanted to try crossfit but i didnt feel like losing 200lbs on my bench press
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02-20-2010, 12:10 PM
02-20-2010, 10:29 PM
comparing crossfit to your traditional isometric weight lifting is pointless and a retarded thing to argue. If you want to get "big".....crossfit isn't for you. If you want to have the endurance of a banshee and a superior body-weight to strength ratio....then crossfit is for you. regardless......why criticize someone for choosing to do either?
02-21-2010, 07:10 PM
Don't let this turn into another pro/con CrossFit thread. Nothing is ever accomplished in that. To those doing CrossFit, keep WOD'n on. To those who are bodybuilding, keep hittin those weights. Different training strategies, but exercise nonetheless. The only bad exercise is no exercise.
I've been CrossFitting for a little under two years now, and the supplements I feel have helped are (not ranked in any order):
Cordyceps (MST's Cordygen5)
Higher dose of fish oil (~5g EPA/DHA daily)
I've dabbled with supplements such as Prime, and a few testosterone boosters, but they tend to be hit or miss. What I've been testing out lately has been Pre-Max (Primordial Performance), which sports the highly regarded GPLC. Recommended for increased stamina and endurance.
Not to sounds cliche, but I have to mention the importance of diet as well. And I don't mean just hitting macro's or whatnot... nutrient timing (finding the correct pre-workout meal, and proper post-workout meals) is pivotal. As you know yourself, recovery is everything in CrossFit. The sooner you recover, the faster you progress. This isn't finding out what works for others either - you need to find out what works for YOU. My pre-workout meal is different from the next guy, but it helps me perform at the level I want to be at. Same with my post-workout recovery meal.
02-21-2010, 07:56 PM
02-21-2010, 09:30 PM
02-22-2010, 12:41 PM
Fitting room=dressing room?
Did wonder why "crossdressing/crossfitting" was appearing on AM.
Today I am educated.
02-22-2010, 04:05 PM
I doubt you meant it that way, but a high bodyweight to strength ratio would imply you are weak for your weight. Which is what crossfit is great at. If you meant higher proportional strength, then a person after that should be lifting like a powerlifter trying to stay in their weightclass. Which is very unlike crossfit.
03-07-2010, 07:18 PM
I Crossfit exclusively and I take
Omega/RX fish oil
and pre-workout either Xpand or methyl mass.
03-07-2010, 08:37 PM
I'd just recommend some sort of Cordycep product, beta-alanine, and BCAAs/EEAs.
I personaly want to try CF to see what it's like, but for my goals I would never use it as a program, but I am interested in it so thumbs up to the people that do it.
I just stick to my weigh of strength/aerobics.
Weights for working on strength, then sprints/bleachers/jump rope etc. for my athletic purposes.....Works VERY well.
03-07-2010, 08:58 PM
Whats wrong with some of you??? Adding a bit of cross fit workouts in is probably a good idea for anyone who isnt a pro lifter. Not to do it every day but once a week or every other week will help you get cut up and increase endurance...
03-09-2010, 09:02 PM
That is exactly what CF is. There are heavy days for strength and then there are "met-con" days for endurance and conditioning. Unless you are genetically pre-disposed to you will NOT get huge doing CF but you WILL build functional muscle and with the proper diet get ripped.
03-28-2010, 09:20 PM
My question would be this.....If Crossfit training is so stupid and will not build any strength as ya'll say, then why would Louie Simmons be involved?????? Please tell me ya know who Louie Simmons is......
I have only been crossfitting for 3 months now and have never felt better... I am not a beast by any means, but CF has increased my work capacity while maintaining my strength.....Dont knock it till ya try it..Just my 2 cents
03-28-2010, 11:58 PM
If you just want to be bigger, then run bodybuilding workouts exclusively. If you want to get stronger, olympic/power lift. Your point is fine about getting bigger or stronger exclusively EXCEPT that's not the goal of crossfit or crossfit-style workouts.
But everything is about goals. Your goals for just being big are fine. But people who want to improve functional/athletic strength and endurance to use in a variety of athletic endeavors, will find their outlets elsewhere.
I'm really not sure what the knock is. You don't have to do anything you don't want to do and one style of workout is not a replacement for any other. It's just different and it achieves different results.
You're right though. Crossfit is not a new concept. We all know about high intensity training and the other aspects of it. It's just a different training style. It's different from bodybuilding. And it's different from training for a specific athletic event! Yeah, no **** there is a reason why you don't see top level athletes packing into Crossfit gyms! haha For one, they have their own training facilities. Two, they have specific workouts and skills they train for which translate to the field/court performance.
That second idea is one of the main drivers of Crossfit and actually is the point of what is called "crosstraining". Training in areas which are not exact translations to on-field events. Nearly all athletes do this. It just makes them better athletes overall.
And no one is trying to argue that strength and quickness are the same. It's simply the degree to which you're striving to build both. The reason people do crossfit is because they want to be able to build strength and endurance in multiple areas and possibly multiple athletic events. The lack of specification allows for this.
Don't knock it because it doesn't give you what you're looking for. That's like trying to tell your friend you don't think his girlfriend is any good. Just because she wouldn't work for you, doesn't mean she wouldn't for him.
No one is attacking your style of training based on your goals. Why are you trying to do that here? His goals are different from yours. Thus he will employ different methods to achieve those goals.
03-29-2010, 12:09 AM
Plus, some people (like myself) just enjoy doing the workouts themselves. I'm sure you can relate to this. Some people like to run for the sake of running, without having a final goal in mind or a race to train for. Maybe you like to deadlift, so that's what you do. I don't know and I don't care. To each, his own.
There are people who just like to do Crossfit for the sake of doing it, what it does for them, and how it makes them feel. Are you going to tell them their feelings and opinions are wrong? I don't think so.