Too many supplements DAILY

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  1. i have too much to list, but the things i take daily are:
    - NoXidant
    - Protein
    - Fish oils
    - LCLT
    - Brewer's yeast


  2. Quote Originally Posted by noot View Post
    Food sucks compared to supplements,
    ...
    I have no idea what you wrote beyond this point but my assumption is that it wasn't much.
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  3. I can't just let this one go, I must, no I can't.

    Noot, were you serious? When I say serious, I mean as in you just had sex for the first time serious?

    You were probably just typing from your cell phone and got the keys mixed up bro'. No harm no foul ... I understand. Happens to me all "da tyme" ....see just happened.

  4. He was being sarcastic.

  5. [QUOTE=smeton_yea;2303599]Resveratrol has anti-inflammatory effects. While using stoked my joints feel fine. Are you sure it was not something else? [QUOTE]

    I might try it again someday, but I'm not the first person to report joint pain on resV. Estrogen is good for the joints.
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  6. [quote=kingdong;2303879][QUOTE=smeton_yea;2303599]Resveratrol has anti-inflammatory effects. While using stoked my joints feel fine. Are you sure it was not something else?

    I might try it again someday, but I'm not the first person to report joint pain on resV. Estrogen is good for the joints.
    Please refresh my memory. I haven't seen a study showing anti estrogenic effects, only that Res provides some SERM like effects. This should have no baring on joints as it doesn't really lower estrogen, just compete at selective receptors for it.

    I could be wrong, so if someone has other info, plese drop some knowledge.
    The Historic PES Legend

  7. [quote=DAdams91982;2303893][quote=kingdong;2303879]
    Quote Originally Posted by smeton_yea View Post
    Resveratrol has anti-inflammatory effects. While using stoked my joints feel fine. Are you sure it was not something else?

    Please refresh my memory. I haven't seen a study showing anti estrogenic effects, only that Res provides some SERM like effects. This should have no baring on joints as it doesn't really lower estrogen, just compete at selective receptors for it.

    I could be wrong, so if someone has other info, plese drop some knowledge.
    I always thought it was supposed to be antiaromataze, but I might be wrong. Either way, if you just google "resveratrol joint pain" a lot of people swear this problem exist.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by kingdong View Post
    I always thought it was supposed to be antiaromataze, but I might be wrong. Either way, if you just google "resveratrol joint pain" a lot of people swear this problem exist.
    Not denying it... the only thing I read was from PA stating the SERM like effects. I will have to do some more research.
    The Historic PES Legend

  9. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Not denying it... the only thing I read was from PA stating the SERM like effects. I will have to do some more research.
    I ran a quick MedLine search to see if there was a study on Resveratrol and corticosteroids, but no such luck.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  10. You dont feel like youre missing out on anti-oxidants, vitamins, minerals, etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    I remember using the old Activate betas (20 caps/day) and it was such a pain in the ass. I don't see how anyone can use that many supplements on a consistent basis. Right now, I'm just using fish/krill oil and sesamin. It's much nicer to only take 12 caps per day (6 caps fish, 4 caps krill, 2 caps sesamin) than to be taking these on top of some various supplements to help out with _________.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    You dont feel like youre missing out on anti-oxidants, vitamins, minerals, etc
    Why would he be? The body can only absorb so much at a time, and a well thought out diet can take care of everything your body can handle.

    Geting enough veggies and meats and you have all the Anti Ox, Vitamins, and Minerals you can handle... anything excessive is only pissed out.
    The Historic PES Legend

  12. Found it - thank you

    http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_a..._paul_chek&cr=


    Quote Originally Posted by PublicEnemy View Post
    Talk about coincidence... T-Nation's latest interview with Paul Chek says exactly this, i think it was put up this week too.

  13. I see the vitamin D3 fans putting it ahead of the multivitamin. What kind of dosages do you guys use?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    I ran a quick MedLine search to see if there was a study on Resveratrol and corticosteroids, but no such luck.
    all that "resveratrol - the next panacea to age prevention" is pure speculation. how would scientists be able to determine whether or not a single compound can prevent aging, let alone follow any of the test subjects in a longitudinal study? it's like leaving 'n' out of an algebraic equation and having only 'x' in there. you can't ignore the other variables.

    the purported health benefits of red wine are the culprits, no doubt. but people often forget that most of the foods act in synergy with each other.

  15. I have read too many studies arguing against any discernable benefits from an oral bioavailability perspective to fully believe in the oral version. JMHO

  16. Am not sure if this was mentioned but you must take account of AMOUNT of the supplements you take.
    Taking 20 supplements at minimally low amounts will be much safer than taking 5 at megadose amounts.
    You got to know what you are taking, and think about the dose you are taking.
    Don't take the recommended dose as gospel either...
    Any thing that works should work at lower amounts. For example, vitamin C at 1000mg is only a little more effective than vitamin C at 100mg at a time.

    I personally am a fan of taking lots of supplements, but I know what I'm taking, and I tend to err on the side of light doses. There is also only a few supplements that a take all the time, most I cycle in and out.

    It is good to be careful though. You could be taking 20 supplments a day, and taking reasonable/healthy doses for 19 of them, but one supplement you are misinformed and are taking too much of, which is increasing the load on the kidneys/liver.

    This is what I take for reference:
    Creatine - 10g a day for 6 weeks, then 2 weeks off
    Omega 3s - 2g a day
    Vitamin D - 1000ius per day
    MultiVitaminmineral - Half of a Ast-ss multi tab

    Health:
    Resveratrol - 250mg (lowish)
    ALCAR - 500mg (lowish)
    Green tea - 200mg a few times per week
    Grapeseed Extract - one tablet
    Ginger Extract - one tablet

    Workout/Energy:
    Caffeine - 100mg before workout (similar to one cup of coffee)
    Citrulline Malate - 500mg before workout

    Aminos:
    BCAAs - 5g
    Leucine - 2g
    Glutamine - 3g
    Taurine - 0.5g

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    You dont feel like youre missing out on anti-oxidants, vitamins, minerals, etc
    I'm a huge proponent of eating 5-7 servings of produce per day. I've analyzed my diet many, many times and my diet is very balanced and lacks nothing. If I'm training for a fight, I'll take extra supplements, but not everyday.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  18. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    I'm a huge proponent of eating 5-7 servings of produce per day. I've analyzed my diet many, many times and my diet is very balanced and lacks nothing. If I'm training for a fight, I'll take extra supplements, but not everyday.
    Blasphemy... you should be eating your meals in PILL FORM!
    The Historic PES Legend

  19. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Blasphemy... you should be eating your meals in PILL FORM!
    I know, I know...
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  20. haha ok ok

    Doesnt eating in and of itself cause a judicious amount of free radical release and damage hence the need for more anti-ox?

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    haha ok ok

    Doesnt eating in and of itself cause a judicious amount of free radical release and damage hence the need for more anti-ox?
    Being alive does this. Also, need and more are hugely vague and opinions will vary. For example, the amount of protein needed per day.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  22. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    haha ok ok

    Doesnt eating in and of itself cause a judicious amount of free radical release and damage hence the need for more anti-ox?
    If you eat a few servings of Fruits and Veggies per day, you are well compensating for Anti-Ox. Also remember that to many Anti-Ox can hinder muscle gains (If that is what you are aiming for).

    You can have to much of anything, and getting all fat daddy down on some pills isn't the way to overall health. Break it down to some basics and do the work in the gym... that is your best way to a long healthy life.
    The Historic PES Legend

  23. Thanks peeps

  24. but, doesn't placebo help you live a longer life? i mean, it sure as heck does everything else.

  25. This whole antioxidant craze is funny. There are so many nutrients that the body can actually use, and I thinl people shoud focus more on consuming healthy amounts of those, than just excessive doses of some free radical fighter. People act like free radicals are the bain of human health, and they might age us, but I really don't think the best free radical figher will boost longevity or health that much.
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