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  1. Question Cortisol Modulating


    Hi

    What is the most effective supplement for Cortisol modulating or blocker?

    N-Acetyl-Tyrosine (NAT)
    11-OXO (Adrenosterone)
    7-Keto (3-Acetyl-7-Oxo-Dehydroepiandrosterone)
    Phosphatidylserine



    Thanks
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  2. i use super cortisol support from now. i have no idea if it does anything. i take it daily. its cheap.

  3. Quote Originally Posted by testosteronet View Post
    Effective..11oxo
    natural...phosphatdylyserine
    and the 7-Keto is not too effective as 11-oxo?
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  4. Relora at 6+ caps per day.

  5. I use DHEA and Rhodiola Rosea
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  6. Is 11-OXO in 1T ?

    Neuro-steriod stuff can't be used long term - cycles only.

    PAS is okay, I use it daily. Its a bit pricy, good nootropic. EndoAmp Max is the cheapest I come across. VAT Attack was said to be good.

  7. I use VAT Attack before bed each night. Wish it was still available, since I'm almost out.
    I also use Phosphatidylserine once a day, but this is definitely expensive.

  8. I'm a big fan of Androstenetriol. Haven't used 11-Oxo but intend to at some point. Relora at high doses seems pretty good too - I'm tapering down currently from 1500mg/day.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by matthias7 View Post
    Is 11-OXO in 1T ?

    Neuro-steriod stuff can't be used long term - cycles only.

    PAS is okay, I use it daily. Its a bit pricy, good nootropic. EndoAmp Max is the cheapest I come across. VAT Attack was said to be good.

    11-OXO is Adrenosterone and 1T is 1-Androsterone

    i think
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  10. 11-OXO 3 caps a day for cortisol but i`m not sure if i need a PCT?
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  11. EndoAmp (or endomax, can't remember name correctly) by Primordial + SupressC by CEL
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by MAxximal View Post
    Hi

    What is the most effective supplement for Cortisol modulating or blocker?

    N-Acetyl-Tyrosine (NAT)
    11-OXO (Adrenosterone)
    7-Keto (3-Acetyl-7-Oxo-Dehydroepiandrosterone)
    Phosphatidylserine



    Thanks

    Phoshatidylserine FTW!

    It will help to mitigate erratic fluctuation spikes in serum cortisol release (especially in the intra and post training periods); not suppress the hormone itself. In other words: you'll still receive the basic homeostatic effects of cortisol while minimizing its potential detrimental effects on muscle hypertrophy/retention.

    Check out our EndoAmp Max product write-up: EndoAmp Max

    I have some studies as well if you're interested. Let me know if you have any questions.

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  13. Yeah i used EndoAmp Max in the past and i love this stuff
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by Bnatural View Post
    EndoAmp (or endomax, can't remember name correctly) by Primordial + SupressC by CEL
    yeap i thinking this too
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    I'm a big fan of Androstenetriol. Haven't used 11-Oxo but intend to at some point. Relora at high doses seems pretty good too - I'm tapering down currently from 1500mg/day.
    Me too.


  16. i vote for Holy Basil Extract and PS, endoamp seems like a good way to go

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Bnatural View Post
    EndoAmp (or endomax, can't remember name correctly) by Primordial + SupressC by CEL
    glad to see ya over here bro
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by MAxximal View Post
    Yeah i used EndoAmp Max in the past and i love this stuff
    same here....just a little pricey for the college budget, though most supplements are haha

  19. you can get bulk of those ingredients and make your own concoction
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    Phoshatidylserine FTW!

    It will help to mitigate erratic fluctuation spikes in serum cortisol release (especially in the intra and post training periods); not suppress the hormone itself. In other words: you'll still receive the basic homeostatic effects of cortisol while minimizing its potential detrimental effects on muscle hypertrophy/retention.

    Check out our EndoAmp Max product write-up: EndoAmp Max

    I have some studies as well if you're interested. Let me know if you have any questions.
    I have 500g of PS and im doing 800mg post/w-o & 800mg first thing in the morn'n on off days. but im wondering if i should take the post wo dose during my w/o i.e. intra wo?

  21. Don't worry about, you can take it anytime during the day and all at once. It will work just the same.

  22. relora is good stuff, lean xtreme is good stuff, i excited to get aquanted with both lecithin granules and NOW triple strength lecithin. Bane at TL says there is a lot of promise with lecithin.

  23. I've done a lot of lecithin but nothing touches PS. Lecithin and fish oil are supposed to convert to PS but it never worked for me.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by SwolenONE View Post
    relora is good stuff, lean xtreme is good stuff, i excited to get aquanted with both lecithin granules and NOW triple strength lecithin. Bane at TL says there is a lot of promise with lecithin.
    You cant beat Lean Xtreme.


  25. Quote Originally Posted by UNCnate View Post
    You cant beat Lean Xtreme.
    its certainly great stuff

    i used to like retain 2, but the lean fx i didnt like (luckily i got it for free from a forum friend)
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  26. Quote Originally Posted by machinehead View Post
    I've done a lot of lecithin but nothing touches PS. Lecithin and fish oil are supposed to convert to PS but it never worked for me.
    Lecithin and Fish Iil are supposed to convert to PS?
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  27. the only thing i hate about EndoAmp is the tub is too small and the scoop is hard to get in and out without a mess

  28. Quote Originally Posted by crewchief182 View Post
    I use VAT Attack before bed each night. Wish it was still available, since I'm almost out.
    I also use Phosphatidylserine once a day, but this is definitely expensive.
    what dose did you use pre-bed?

    I still have 2 tubs i'm gonna run with EOP.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by monstermash View Post
    what dose did you use pre-bed?

    I still have 2 tubs i'm gonna run with EOP.
    wise
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by MAxximal View Post
    Lecithin and Fish Iil are supposed to convert to PS?

    Edit: I was wrong as expected. Here is a good picture


  31. Quote Originally Posted by machinehead View Post
    I am sure I am not explaining it correctly but the phosphatidylcholine from lecithin converts to PS in the presence of omega-3s.
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  32. Just get the PS. If you go through a tub and stop some of the results stay. For example, I don't get as fired up after my workouts anymore to the point that I can't sleep. I don't get the euphoria either but I only got that during the first week of use. I tried taking it recently and it didn't improve any aspect I was expecting it to. Also, I was taking 800mg on workout days and 400mg on off days for about two months. That was plenty.

  33. SWEET!
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  34. help me out on this guys, I'm admittedly ignorant on this issue. I've heard that I should avoid prolonged gym sessions, like 3 hours plus because your cortisol will spike. I also "heard" that this can facilitate belly fat, which is a prime issue of mine.

    -Do these cortisol blockers benefit someone who's not spending 3 hours a day in the gym?

    -Do they provide any benefit for general fat loss or cutting?

    -any other benefits that would make them worth taking other than fat loss?

    -Is it safe or a more risky supplement?

    I'd appreciate any help on this, as general web research has left me even more confused about this product.

  35. Quote Originally Posted by captgarrett View Post
    help me out on this guys, I'm admittedly ignorant on this issue. I've heard that I should avoid prolonged gym sessions, like 3 hours plus because your cortisol will spike. I also "heard" that this can facilitate belly fat, which is a prime issue of mine.

    -Do these cortisol blockers benefit someone who's not spending 3 hours a day in the gym?

    -Do they provide any benefit for general fat loss or cutting?

    -any other benefits that would make them worth taking other than fat loss?

    -Is it safe or a more risky supplement?

    I'd appreciate any help on this, as general web research has left me even more confused about this product.
    Good questions, I would like to know myself

  36. Quote Originally Posted by captgarrett View Post
    help me out on this guys, I'm admittedly ignorant on this issue. I've heard that I should avoid prolonged gym sessions, like 3 hours plus because your cortisol will spike. I also "heard" that this can facilitate belly fat, which is a prime issue of mine.

    -Do these cortisol blockers benefit someone who's not spending 3 hours a day in the gym?

    -Do they provide any benefit for general fat loss or cutting?

    -any other benefits that would make them worth taking other than fat loss?

    -Is it safe or a more risky supplement?

    I'd appreciate any help on this, as general web research has left me even more confused about this product.
    1) Yes, cortisol spikes through the day, regardless of workout session length. You just will have another one after a workout. Cortisol is a stress hormone, exercise = stress.

    2) Absolutely. Especially in areas where cortisol causes you to store fat, i.e. your midsection.

    3) Depends.

    4) Safe.


  37. ^^^ what he said

    Plus it's a nutrient, a large part of your brain and a smaller part of testicles are made from it. So it can't be bad in normal doses.

  38. Quote Originally Posted by captgarrett View Post
    help me out on this guys, I'm admittedly ignorant on this issue. I've heard that I should avoid prolonged gym sessions, like 3 hours plus because your cortisol will spike. I also "heard" that this can facilitate belly fat, which is a prime issue of mine.

    -Do these cortisol blockers benefit someone who's not spending 3 hours a day in the gym?

    -Do they provide any benefit for general fat loss or cutting?

    -any other benefits that would make them worth taking other than fat loss?

    -Is it safe or a more risky supplement?

    I'd appreciate any help on this, as general web research has left me even more confused about this product.

    3 hours a day in the gym?

    with 45-60 min is enough bud
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  39. 3 hours a day in the gym is a waste. Cortisol can spike as often as it wants, I prefer a TD version of a cortisol blocker as it does better for spot reduction for me, with the pill it can block the current cortisol production in your body, but in the case of another spike, the pill won't do much for that
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  40. Quote Originally Posted by MAxximal View Post
    3 hours a day in the gym?

    with 45-60 min is enough bud
    I run a 3 day split most weeks. Bi's, chest, legs, shoulders, back, Tri's, and stomach as a primary focus if there's a 4th day. So let me qualify the 3 hour comment a little better.

    I do an extensive stretch, usually about 20 minutes. Range of motion and flexibility is a key focus of mine.
    20-30 of ab work. Big believer in working the core.
    30-40 minutes on muscle group 1, same for muscle group 2. I do consistent stretching of the focus area during the routine as well.
    Then, since I'm trying to trim fat, I'm on cardio for 20-30 minutes.

    It's really not an excessive amount as you can see. Also in that, since I have a work out buddy, there's some social time, going to get water, taking a piss etc. Most times we're out of there in 2.5, sometimes 3 tops.


    an hour is what I do at a home gym, with no socializing, and no solid ab, cardio, or stretching.
  

  
 

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