PreMax vs RagNOrok vs Standard

[BBB]

For the last three weeks, I have been experimenting with a couple of new preworkout supplements. PreMax and RagNOrok Ultra verses my own preworkout ****tail. My standard preworkout ****tail consists of:
1 Scoop JP8
1 Scoop NOS Ether
2 Scoops Green Magnitude

I have used this protocol for several years with good success, however I would have to say that prefer either PreMax or RagNOrok Ultra to my standard. One of the biggest factors is taste. My standard tastes pretty bad and doesn’t provide nearly as good a pump as the other two.

Taste:
10/10 RagNOrok Ultra, I tried the Blue Razz and it tastes great.
8/10 PreMax, not the best tasting but tolerable. I usually add a little Vitaberry for flavor.
4/10 Standard, as I said it tastes pretty bad it is only the Green Magnitude that makes it tolerable.

Pumps:
10/10 RagNOrok Ultra, great pumps that last for several hours after the workout.
10/10 PreMax, the same as RagNOrok Ultra.
9/10 Standard, pumps are good but not as good as the other two.

Strength:
10/10 All three seem to be good in this area with no discernible difference.

Stamina:
10/10 Here again, based on treadmill running, no discernable difference.

I have currently abandoned my standard in favor of either RagNOrok Ultra and/or PreMax. The primary difference between these two is the added stimulant. Since I workout primarily in the evenings, if I take two scoops of RagNOrok at 6:00 PM I have trouble sleeping at night. So on days when I feel like I need a boost I use RagNOrok and on days when I don’t I use PreMax.
These are early results since I have only been using both PreMax and RagNOrok for about three weeks. I want to evaluate Omega’s Ultima against both of these when it becomes available.

 

[Bnatural]

All 3 seem to be fairly decent, curious to see which one will stand out in the end. I have my thoughts on which

 

[jumpshot903]

Premax still seems promising to me i havent tried RagNOrok but i would agree that your standard tastes pretty bad green mag is good but thats it. As of right now my PWO of choice is NO Shotgun love the pumps no crazy energy but i too work out in evening so dont like too much energy. Im seeing good initial reviews for PreMax and will probally pick it up once im done with NO Shotgun.

As far as RagNOrok goes is the energy comparable to Jack3d? Because i crashed pretty hard on jack3d but liked the energy.

EDIT: just hit 666 posts oooo spooky

 

[BBB]

Premax still seems promising to me i havent tried RagNOrok but i would agree that your standard tastes pretty bad green mag is good but thats it. As of right now my PWO of choice is NO Shotgun love the pumps no crazy energy but i too work out in evening so dont like too much energy. Im seeing good initial reviews for PreMax and will probally pick it up once im done with NO Shotgun.

As far as RagNOrok goes is the energy comparable to Jack3d? Because i crashed pretty hard on jack3d but liked the energy.

EDIT: just hit 666 posts oooo spooky

I haven't tried Jack3d so I can't honestly comment. But the stim effect of Rag is similar to NO Shotgun. I like NO Shotgun as well but I think I like Rag better. PreMax is also great but very expensive compaired to the the other two.

 

[Bnatural]

Thanks for the kind words.

pre-max looks very promising, but I'll hafta wait until my 1serving size unit request goes through (well if it somehow goes through) to see if it's worth the cost (thats not supposed to be a bash either)

 

[jumpshot903]

I haven't tried Jack3d so I can't honestly comment. But the stim effect of Rag is similar to NO Shotgun. I like NO Shotgun as well but I think I like Rag better. PreMax is also great but very expensive compaired to the the other two.

Thats good to hear about liking Rag better i havent heard to much about it but i read up on it a lil and it seems solid im actually probally gonna grab that next. Now which flavor of NO Shotgun did you have i have the Exotic fruit if my any chance you had that flavor how does Rag Compare to that?

 

[BBB]

I buy all my own supps so I can "call um as I see um".

 

[BBB]

Thats good to hear about liking Rag better i havent heard to much about it but i read up on it a lil and it seems solid im actually probally gonna grab that next. Now which flavor of NO Shotgun did you have i have the Exotic fruit if my any chance you had that flavor how does Rag Compare to that?

I have the Black Cherry it tastes OK but has a powdery residue. Some people think that Rag has a slight after taste but I couldn't detect any. It may depend on how much it’s diluted.

 

[wolverines]

I would have to go with Ragnarok here. For one, the price difference and serving size should be enough to pick one. If using Rag late in the evening is keeping you awake, why not go for the caffeine free version?

 

[thebigt]

have you tried 1 scoop rag with half serving pre-max? seems both of them together at half your reg dose should be nice. would add more value to the pre-max too, imo.

 

[Bnatural]

have you tried 1 scoop rag with half serving pre-max? seems both of them together at half your reg dose should be nice. would add more value to the pre-max too, imo.

good advices:bigok:

 

[GettingStrong]

pre max for taste is 8/10?..hummmm I still wanna try it! have to save up for it

 

[Liftergym33]

I wish I had the funds to run both! hahaha. I did like your review, honest...

 

[GettingStrong]

I wish I had the funds to run both! hahaha. I did like your review, honest...

same here.

 

[Trauma1]

For the last three weeks, I have been experimenting with a couple of new preworkout supplements. PreMax and RagNOrok Ultra verses my own preworkout ****tail. My standard preworkout ****tail consists of:
1 Scoop JP8
1 Scoop NOS Ether
2 Scoops Green Magnitude

I have used this protocol for several years with good success, however I would have to say that prefer either PreMax or RagNOrok Ultra to my standard. One of the biggest factors is taste. My standard tastes pretty bad and doesn’t provide nearly as good a pump as the other two.

Taste:
10/10 RagNOrok Ultra, I tried the Blue Razz and it tastes great.
8/10 PreMax, not the best tasting but tolerable. I usually add a little Vitaberry for flavor.
4/10 Standard, as I said it tastes pretty bad it is only the Green Magnitude that makes it tolerable.

Pumps:
10/10 RagNOrok Ultra, great pumps that last for several hours after the workout.
10/10 PreMax, the same as RagNOrok Ultra.
9/10 Standard, pumps are good but not as good as the other two.

Strength:
10/10 All three seem to be good in this area with no discernible difference.

Stamina:
10/10 Here again, based on treadmill running, no discernable difference.

I have currently abandoned my standard in favor of either RagNOrok Ultra and/or PreMax. The primary difference between these two is the added stimulant. Since I workout primarily in the evenings, if I take two scoops of RagNOrok at 6:00 PM I have trouble sleeping at night. So on days when I feel like I need a boost I use RagNOrok and on days when I don’t I use PreMax.
These are early results since I have only been using both PreMax and RagNOrok for about three weeks. I want to evaluate Omega’s Ultima against both of these when it becomes available.

Nice review, BBB. I'd be interested in hearing your long-term effects/results as well.

Stay tuned to our subforum right after christmas....

 

[BBB]

have you tried 1 scoop rag with half serving pre-max? seems both of them together at half your reg dose should be nice. would add more value to the pre-max too, imo.

Actually I decided to try this last night. It works great. Typically I get a soft pump with one scoop of either. It takes two scoops for a hard pump. The problem is two scoops of Rag over stimulates me so I can't sleep and PreMax has no stim effect at all. Therefore combining the two was near perfection. One scoop of each gave the following benefits:

1. A good hard pump.

2. The addition of Rag (Blue Razz) improved the taste of PreMax and they mixed very well together.

3. One scoop of Rag provided just enough stim for a good workout and I slept great.

4. One scoop of Rag helped reduce the cost of a serving of PreMax.

The will be my new standard preworkout supp. I still want to try Ultima when it becomes available.

 

[thebigt]

Actually I decided to try this last night. It works great. Typically I get a soft pump with one scoop of either. It takes two scoops for a hard pump. The problem is two scoops of Rag over stimulates me so I can't sleep and PreMax has no stim effect at all. Therefore combining the two was near perfection. One scoop of each gave the following benefits:

1. A good hard pump.

2. The addition of Rag (Blue Razz) improved the taste of PreMax and they mixed very well together.

3. One scoop of Rag provided just enough stim for a good workout and I slept great.

4. One scoop of Rag helped reduce the cost of a serving of PreMax.

The will be my new standard preworkout supp. I still want to try Ultima when it becomes available.

this is exactly the result i was hoping for, this put's the price of pre-max in much more favorable light. tastes great-less filling, lol.:bigok:

 

[islandmagic]

Hmmmm What do I buy now both or or... BBB you make it so hard....

 

[thebigt]

Hmmmm What do I buy now both or or... BBB you make it so hard....

actually economically speaking he just made it simpler. half dosing of both makes a lot of money sense.

 

[BBB]

By blending the two you get 40 servings or Rag and 20 servings of PreMax, therefor two tubs of PreMax and one tub of Rag works out perfectly. The synergism conitues. For me this is a "no brainer". I don't know what I'll do if I really like Omega Ultra. It'll through me into a tail spin.

 

[islandmagic]

By blending the two you get 40 servings or Rag and 20 servings of PreMax, therefor two tubs of PreMax and one tub of Rag works out perfectly. The synergism conitues. For me this is a "no brainer". I don't know what I'll do if I really like Omega Ultra. It'll through me into a tail spin.

So we are droping 135 bucks is that correct? I just order the none stim Rag..,

 

[jumpshot903]

have you tried 1 scoop rag with half serving pre-max? seems both of them together at half your reg dose should be nice. would add more value to the pre-max too, imo.

That may be the smartest thing ive ever heard anyone say about anything ever. I dont know why people didnt realize it earlier when there was some bashing going around about premas price combine a scoop of premax with something else! Simply Remarkable!!!!!:32::32::32::32::32::32::32:

 

[BBB]

So we are droping 135 bucks is that correct? I just order the none stim Rag..,

It's sounds like a lot of money but since I only workout 3 days/week this combo will last me for more than three months. That works out to a little over $3/serving but for me a good "pump" is worth the price. Moreover, I always take a preworkout supp anyway so it might as well be something that works well and also has some potential health benefits.

I don't make a dime of any supp sold so do as you please. This thread is just for informational purposes only.

 

[capnsavem]

lol @ c0cktail being edited.

 

[islandmagic]

It's sounds like a lot of money but since I only workout 3 days/week this combo will last me for more than three months. That works out to a little over $3/serving but for me a good "pump" is worth the price. Moreover, I always take a preworkout supp anyway so it might as well be something that works well and also has some potential health benefits.

I don't make a dime of any supp sold so do as you please. This thread is just for informational purposes only.

Good point!!! Somthing to think about....

 

[Bnatural]

What are we looking for as far as total effects?

I think something like Focus XT + Ragnarok (probably caffeine free) would have some phenomenal effects, but it depends on the overall goals here.

 

[CTDeuce]

glad to see such high praise of RagNOrok Ultra in here....thanks for the honest and detailed mini-review brother!

 

[BBB]

I have been scientifically experimenting with all three products attempting to keep both diet and workout as consistant as possible. After nearly 6 weeks of experimentation my origional review still stands. I have discovered that I actually like having several preworkout supps on hand as I tend to get tired of the flavor any single product. I have discovered that virtually all preworkout supps tend to loose effacy if used too often, in my case more than twice a week. The exception is GPLC based products, these seem to work consistantly no matter how often I use them. As far as taste RagNOrok Ultra wins hands down. My favorate is still one scoop of Rag and one scoop PreMax. I'm planning on trying Omega Ultima but I can't imagine that it will beat the PreMax/Rag combo. I have also discovered that all products must be taken on an MT stomach for maximum results this includes GPLC products as well. I usually eat my preworkout meal at least two hours prior to my preworkout supp.

 

[Bnatural]

good to hear we win on flavor

 

[Santa89]

I agree with you on the taste factor on pre-max. It's tolerable, but it needs a bit of something.

I add IBCAA, Beta-Alanine, and Creatine and it could be a factor of the taste too.
I love the pump I get from it!

 

[Bnatural]

not to overpimp here, but we have citruvol on steep discount at NP, 2-4caps +1scoop rag = crazy pumps. You can go to the mst site and request samples as well, millenniumsport.net, click the samples tab, scroll through and select which you want. Just a thought....

 

[Trauma1]

I agree with you on the taste factor on pre-max. It's tolerable, but it needs a bit of something.

I add IBCAA, Beta-Alanine, and Creatine and it could be a factor of the taste too.
I love the pump I get from it!

The inclusion of pomegranate in our Pre-Max formula is due to the myriad of beneficial and potentiating factors it adds to the overall formula:

Besides the yet-to-be-identified sugar fractions, we do know 3 unique things about pomegranate that separate it from any other fruit juice –

* Pomegranate increases insulin sensitivity and drives nutrients into muscle cells.
* Pomegranate contains potent anti-oxidants that remove plaque from artery walls.
* Pomegranate contains punicalagins which enhance nitric oxide (NO) production.

Glad to hear that you're getting good results!

 

[Bnatural]

T1, did you pass on any sugg's to big easy (eric), about doing a 1 serving size option at NP? just to see the effects? Even if it takes a few servings for the product to really shine, I'd be a lot more comfortable if I could spend a few bucks to see what 1 serving does before droppin 50 on this (the price can be justified, I'd just like to try 1 serving first)

 

[BBB]

Ultima reviews are stellar. It seems that everyone who has tried it liked it. In fact I can't find one detrimental review on this product; I therefore ordered a tub yesterday. However, since I also love the "pump" and Ultima was not designed for this purpose I also ordered some GPLC to take along with it, I'm hoping for the best of both worlds. I’m also experimenting with a stack consisting of Prime and Diesel Test. I’ve used both independently with modest results I’m hoping for some synergism between the two. Yes, I know I spend far too much money on supps but you guys can benefit from my extravagance. I will report on my experience with Ulitma in the next few weeks.

 

[BBB]

As you can tell I am a big fan of preworkout supps. I have also tried many others, these include white blood and white flood both are OK but nothing stellar. I have use NO Xplode, NO Shotgun, PlasmaJet, L-Arginine, AAG, AKG, Glycerin, GlycerGrow (doesn't work for me) and many others to numerous to mention. All work to a lesser degree than those mention above.

 

[thebigt]

As you can tell I am a big fan of preworkout supps. I have also tried many others, these include white blood and white flood both are OK but nothing stellar. I have use NO Xplode, NO Shotgun, PlasmaJet, L-Arginine, AAG, AKG, Glycerin, GlycerGrow (doesn't work for me) and many others to numerous to mention. All work to a lesser degree than those mention above.

i appreciate your feedback, keep it coming. i have decided to go with rag ultra, but am thinking to get some gplc to go with it.

 

[BBB]

not to overpimp here, but we have citruvol on steep discount at NP, 2-4caps +1scoop rag = crazy pumps. You can go to the mst site and request samples as well, millenniumsport.net, click the samples tab, scroll through and select which you want. Just a thought....

Why would citruvol be better for pumps than Nitoceps?

 

[BBB]

i appreciate your feedback, keep it coming. i have decided to go with rag ultra, but am thinking to get some gplc to go with it.

Be aware that apparently some people do not respond to GPLC, as far as pumps are concerned. Personally I am a non-responder to creatine and I have tried virtually all of them except Trinitrine found in Ultima. I'm hoping for some positive results from this product. Moreover, I like Omega's company philosophy.

 

[CTDeuce]

i appreciate your feedback, keep it coming. i have decided to go with rag ultra, but am thinking to get some gplc to go with it.

glad to see you went with the rag...I cant wait to see what you think!

Why would citruvol be better for pumps than Nitoceps?

It all depends on how you respond to a product. With that said, Nitroceps is an absolutely intense product that I have personally never seen anything come close to rivaling in the pump department. Doubled with Cre-02 it's an absolute 1-2 knockout combo.

 

[Bnatural]

Why would citruvol be better for pumps than Nitoceps?

I didn't mean cit wasa better than nitro. With cit I like citrulline malate and I can mess with the amount I take pre-workout. Nitro has cit plus other ingredients, but I can't megadose the nitro due to other included ingredients. So its not that its better it just offers a little versatility.

 

[ckozlgod]

You can go to the mst site and request samples as well, millenniumsport.net, click the samples tab, scroll through and select which you want. Just a thought....

Thanks B, will do!

EDIT: Free sample requests are not going through...I filled everything out. I emailed support though, hope they get it!

 

[lacylace29]

hey has anyone ever been to discountsupplements.com? i just came across this website this morning and was curious about it. any feedback would be greatly appreciated since i am a beginner at working out

 

[bubble boy]

Thanks B, will do!

EDIT: Free sample requests are not going through...I filled everything out. I emailed support though, hope they get it!

I've also tried for 2 days and it says the server is not responding

 

[BBB]

Ditto

 

[CTDeuce]

I've also tried for 2 days and it says the server is not responding

then you should take the same approach as BBB and email support.

 

[thebigt]

mst is very generous in giving samples-i got i little jug of rag ultra and a bunch of sample packs from them. the nitroceps were very good, i could kick myself in the arse for turning down the opportunity to log it.
btw-my vit shoppe reward card came today, so i will go get my rag ultra in the morning.

 

[Trauma1]

T1, did you pass on any sugg's to big easy (eric), about doing a 1 serving size option at NP? just to see the effects? Even if it takes a few servings for the product to really shine, I'd be a lot more comfortable if I could spend a few bucks to see what 1 serving does before droppin 50 on this (the price can be justified, I'd just like to try 1 serving first)

I did, but not sure it's going to happen. Our "muscle feeder" is the utmost priority right now; and it will REALLY be worth it in the end.

I'm hoping to get some more logging opportunities over here in the near future, so stay tuned.

 

[thebigt]

I did, but not sure it's going to happen. Our "muscle feeder" is the utmost priority right now; and it will REALLY be worth it in the end.

I'm hoping to get some more logging opportunities over here in the near future, so stay tuned.

hey john, see if you can arrange for it to be my head sticking up in the middle of that picture of your avi, just don't tell my wife, lol.

 

[Trauma1]

hey john, see if you can arrange for it to be my head sticking up in the middle of that picture of your avi, just don't tell my wife, lol.

I love my new avy.

 

[thebigt]

I love my new avy.

me too, but it would look so much better with me in the middle, lol.