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Looking for some info. I got a couple ideas in my head already just tryna feel em out with you guys. What I am looking for is something to help me actually mellow out and get sleepy and something to help me stay in a deep REM sleep and that is not gonna have me groggy when I wake up

*So I have taken x-dreams before and it was good but pricey..
*I have taken ZMA and didnt like it much, It would have me KNOCKED out but I would wake up groggy the next day
*What I was just recently taking is 50mg zinc, 2 tabs mag, 4 tabs valerion root, and some sleep complex they had at a local health store. The supp had mealatonin and GABA in it.

So I am out of the sleep complex and zinc but still got valerian root left over about half a bottle

I am debating on giving ZMK a try but not sure if it is gonna have me groggy and not wanting to get outa bed in the morning like ZMA did.

Also looking at somnidren but not sure.. any reviews on this would be awesome.

Also was thinking of either HGH'up or ghenerate. I have noticed in some logs that people feel like they get a better sleep with these..

I am open to any and all ideas, help me make my next purchase
 
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Ghenerate and bulk 1 - carboxy does wonders for me. I have gone through so many sleep stacks and either no effects or it would leave a sort of hang over. Gh 1-c works very well for me and is reasonably cost efficent.
 
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I have seen others recomend bulk 1 - carboxy before too. What exactly does this too? It is someting to help REM sleep or something to help mellow you out at the end of the day or what? I am also leaning towards ghenerate as I have delt with LG in the past and all the products I have tried have been great so I feel this one will be good too :thumbsup:
 

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the bulk 1 carboxy is phenomenal. I have great sleep coupled with very vivid dreams. Highly recommend
 
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I'd start with either the ZMK or somni, not both. With each, start with half dose and see how you feel. If you chose to, you could take one dose (ZMK) in the a.m. before bed and one meal pre-bed again on empty stomach.

For the somni, start with half scoop, before bed, on an empty stomach, and put the powder under your tongue. The sublingual absorption is a great method and works wonders.
 
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1-c is one of the ingredients un powerfull by usplabs. It helps increase gh out put and promotes deep rem sleep. If someone would elaborate further as it's a pain to do from my phone.
 
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REDuction PM is cheap and works great for sleep. Somnidren is awesome, probably the best out there, as it relaxes, knocks you out, and keeps you out. If you want Melatonin, AMS Nocturnabol is great, with a nice low dose of melatonin, and high dose of tryptophan.

I just bought a bottle of Reduction PM yesterday. It's $9.99 at Nutra. ;)
 
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VAT Attack/1-C/Glutamine is the best sleep stack I've ever tried.
 
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glutamine helps with sleep? I have a tub here, might try and take some tonite and see if I notice anything

never heard of vat attack.. gotta go get my goggle on and see if I can find it
 
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They stopped selling the VAT, but one of the USP reps said it should be coming back soon.

And yes, look up some of the effects of glutamine bro, it's crazy! I take 10g before bed everynight and it seems that once I fall asleep my sleep is a LOT better and also it greatly helps recovery for the next day!
 
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Hey, wrasslin, at least your placebo is cheap. :D
 
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Yeah, personally I would say stick with what is well known. Have you ever tried just melatonin by itself? It is actually a pretty potent substance by itself. It seems a lot of people overdo it with some of the things they take but of course Zinc/Magnesium works well too. There are actually studies that show that 0.3mg of melatonin is as effective as 3mg of melatonin but with fewer lingering effects the next morning.

Remember the more aminos taken at night the more free radical generation since MAO byproducts are ammonia and hydrogen peroxide. Melatonin is actually an antioxidant by itself too ;).
 
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Somnidren is awesome, probably the best out there, as it relaxes, knocks you out, and keeps you out.
I thought Somnidren-GH worked great.
Thanks fellas, much appreciated :)

Josh, if you're looking for something to aid your sleep, Somnidren is simply the way to go. A phenomenal product containing absolutely zero carbs so there will be no glucose added to your blood which actually inhibits the bodies ability to produce GH. It aids greatly in putting you to sleep and when you wake, you feel 100% refreshed. I used to work an overnight shift and could only sleep 4 hours a day before I had to get back up and get stuff done and each time I woke up feeling like I slept 6-8 hours. Its amazing.
 
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This might come as a surprise to some - but you might want to try "Humanobol" from Revolutions. It does promote better sleep and "lucid dreams". I purchased it, not for this reason, because of a recommendation of a trusted friend and builder who insisted it very helpful as a regeneration booster.

While I cannot say my regeneration noticeably shortened, my sleep def. improved, and the dreams became much more lucid. I take now two pills be4 goin' to bed. It should be taken on an empty stomach, to really work beautifully.
 
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Another vote for Somnidren GH and ZMK from me. I've had the pleasure of using it several times, comes in VERY handy when I get switched from days to nights at work, lets me zonk out during the day and wake up ready to go. I also stacked it with Nocturnabol and some arginine/ornithine. Alter I added Glycobol to the mix, wiht even better results.
 
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Theanine will increase GABA -> dopamine -> hGH

It is considered a nootropic and widely used for that purpose (they are after the dopamine not the hGH).

ZMK - I think its overhyped for the price vs. ZMA (cheap). MVA (multi-vits, minerals and adaptogens whatever) is worth it from Millenium, although it ain't a sleep sup.

Other stuff lots of GABA, 1-carboxy, Mucan puriens tincture (thats good), Powerful (works for some), valarien, lemon balm, passion flower (tinctures for last 3), are all classics but you will need to cycle them. If you search you will find some tips.

GABOB is arguably the best of the hGH releasers. Its not used in sleep preps but you can get it over the counter. I think everyone is scared that the FDA will ban it. Its very similar to GHB in structure and when the FDA banned GHB (not for personal health reasons) banning GABOB would seem logical. It didn't get banned probably because it doesn't sedate. It is prescribed to treat epilepsy as a mild anti-convulsant usually to compliment other stuff.

Poison is/was a big fan of Millenium's sleep stack, but you'd need to follow the instructions (think its got phenibut in). Millenium products are always worth looking at, I think ZMK is the exception, but its got a big fan base around here. I'm using right now BTW but I'll switch back to ZMA once its gone.
 
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Theanine will increase GABA -> dopamine -> hGH

It is considered a nootropic and widely used for that purpose (they are after the dopamine not the hGH).

ZMK - I think its overhyped for the price vs. ZMA (cheap). MVA (multi-vits, minerals and adaptogens whatever) is worth it from Millenium, although it ain't a sleep sup.

Other stuff lots of GABA, 1-carboxy, Mucan puriens tincture (thats good), Powerful (works for some), valarien, lemon balm, passion flower (tinctures for last 3), are all classics but you will need to cycle them. If you search you will find some tips.

GABOB is arguably the best of the hGH releasers. Its not used in sleep preps but you can get it over the counter. I think everyone is scared that the FDA will ban it. Its very similar to GHB in structure and when the FDA banned GHB (not for personal health reasons) banning GABOB would seem logical. It didn't get banned probably because it doesn't sedate. It is prescribed to treat epilepsy as a mild anti-convulsant usually to compliment other stuff.

Poison is/was a big fan of Millenium's sleep stack, but you'd need to follow the instructions (think its got phenibut in). Millenium products are always worth looking at, I think ZMK is the exception, but its got a big fan base around here. I'm using right now BTW but I'll switch back to ZMA once its gone.
Sorry to hear you don't feel ZMK is worth the cost. The efficacy of the product is not limited to its ZMA content, as there are other vitamins/minerals in the product. If you look at other products, they do not contain some essentials for absorption like our ZMK has (namely copper). We also include the chelated forms of these products, which is also not the norm for most products, which increases efficact and absorption.

ZMA in general is a hard product to gauge, especially since some of the noticeable effects tend to wear off after 1 to 2 weeks.

Hopefully the above will help change your mind, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.
 
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x2 on the glutamine, glutamine is a GABA precursor, and in high doses it can cause sedation.

If youre trying to keep it simple ZMA is good- I took it with Glutamine. If grogginess is your issue, then take a smaller dose. Its the M(agnesium) in ZMA that relaxes/helps you fall asleep.

If you are interested in supplements my suggestions are as follows:

Xdream is my all-time favorite. - Dream intensity, quality, vividness, length were intense. Xdream uses bromo-melatonin which is a fast acting (and quickly metabolized) version of melatonin. Never had morning grogginess- kinda had a pep in my morning step.

Somnidren also a great sleep product. Worked quickly- in regards to sedation and also had great dreams. Although I didnt wake up groggy- I slept longer than usual. When I woke up- I was in an unusually good mood.

Currently trying Abyss G2. Dreams are also intense- right up there with Xdream. Slight sedation (probably from the Phenibut) However no grogginess when I awoke. However this is day 2... so I cant make a overall assessment.

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I can vouch for LipoTrophin PM being very effective (contains Macuna Pruriens) for improving sleep quality, although for those who quite like a cup of 'Rosie Lee' before bed ;) The Slumber Stack is also a very effective pre-bed snooze support supplement.
 
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I think Ima go with somnidren .. Thanks for all the advice
 

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PowerFULL with some ZMA works great for me.
 
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i just got some somnidren from a local supp store and it is real clumpy. Is this how it is soupposed to be?
Well I am about to take 1 scoop sublingualy and see how it goes.
 
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i just got some somnidren from a local supp store and it is real clumpy. Is this how it is soupposed to be?
Well I am about to take 1 scoop sublingualy and see how it goes.
its supposed to be clumpy.
and if I were you I'd dose 1/2 scoop sublingually ESPECIALLY if this is your first time.

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Yes, it tends to clump up, it almost seems a little moist to me, the product will be very dense when you use the scooper.

Glad you decided on somni,any questions please post them up, or post em in the MST subforum.
 
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i just got some somnidren from a local supp store and it is real clumpy. Is this how it is soupposed to be?
Well I am about to take 1 scoop sublingualy and see how it goes.
Good choice! It's really relaxing, and sleep is amazing on it. Be prepared for a massive gaba hit. :D
 
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Melatonin stuff... it doesn't release hGH and thats the goal here.

If you're using it go low <0.5mg per night. Good for jet-lag and nootropic guys live on the stuff but I'm not a big fan. Regular users claim there is no major feedback loop (no "shutdown") so its safe.

I see Millenium Tech. has won out again.
 
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i just got some somnidren from a local supp store and it is real clumpy. Is this how it is soupposed to be?
Well I am about to take 1 scoop sublingualy and see how it goes.
it can go either way really...so it stinks that you got a clumper. Here are 2 ways to fix the issue.

1. use the other end of your scooper as a kind of digging tool and break it up. It usually goes back into powder form fairly easily.

2. add a "freshness packet" from a pill bottle like Cre-02 or something similar. That usually helps break it back up also.
 
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.... If you look at other products, they do not contain some essentials for absorption like our ZMK has (namely copper).....

ZMA in general is a hard product to gauge, especially since some of the noticeable effects tend to wear off after 1 to 2 weeks.

Hopefully the above will help change your mind, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I'm running ZMK now. If you'd heavily loaded it with selenium I'd be interested. Its thought to help heavy metal detox - I live and workout 24/7 in massive city "fog".

Anyway I cycle ZMA against straight zinc/copper. Loads of sports supplements are saturated in B6. Pyritinol is synthetic B6 which everyone claims is "great" - I feel zip probably because I'm loaded up on B6 in the first place.

B6 indirectly raises hGH, but the effect should disappear after 8 (??) weeks or so.
 

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I've been taking ghenerate and ZMK for the past 2 weeks and getting great sleep. X-dream is great(a little too great) but I always have trouble waking up while taking it, it is great though if you want a day to sleep for 12 hours.
 
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Guys, really give Humanobol a shot. Those dreams are worth. Last night, I was a zombie slayer in a supercolossal, 3-D motion picture. Made "Avatar" look like the Looneytunes.

Seriously though, I still don't fully grasp how a substance can enhance dreaming. But Humanobol not onyl promises it, it really does!
 
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Guys, really give Humanobol a shot. Those dreams are worth. Last night, I was a zombie slayer in a supercolossal, 3-D motion picture. Made "Avatar" look like the Looneytunes.

Seriously though, I still don't fully grasp how a substance can enhance dreaming. But Humanobol not onyl promises it, it really does!
lol I definetely gotta try this out, where do u get it from? Does NP carry it?
 
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lol I definetely gotta try this out, where do u get it from? Does NP carry it?
I ordered it here in Germany, so cannot answer this.

I take two capsules around 30 minutes before bedtime. Important is, make sure your last meal was at least 2 hours ago. Taking it with a meal will diminish, prolly even completely destroy Humanobol's effect.

http://www.revolutions-nutrition.com/

I would not have bothered taking this product had not a natty builder - a well built one - suggested it for its general positive effects.

It might really be a hidden gem, so far I can say I don't want to miss it anymore though it's not cheap, costs me around 45 US$ a month a current €/US$ exchange rate.
 
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I have never used or even heard of that product, so I wouldn't dare say anything ill about it. What I can say is that ZMK/S-GH also provides outrageous dreams while promoting deeper sleep and a great ability to release GH and if you wanted to use BOTH products (even though for the effects you're speaking of, you really only need 1) you can get them both for around $45 (and even less with coupon codes).
 

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