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    epistane or havoc?


    I know they are the same thing, but I was reading that IBE underdosed their epistane. If this is the case would it be better to just go with havoc? Which would you guys recommend?

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    Go with what is cheap, both are ~the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by russy_russ View Post
    Go with what is cheap, both are ~the same.
    yup - go by $$. I'd assume that the dosage listed is the dosage you are getting.
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    Yeah both are the same price, 29.99. I read on a forum that IBE underdosed its epistane so cant go by the dosage listed, but not sure if that was just a rumor being a spread or an actual fact. So which would you guys suggest?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyChemist View Post
    yup - go by $$. I'd assume that the dosage listed is the dosage you are getting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saafanco View Post
    Yeah both are the same price, 29.99. I read on a forum that IBE underdosed its epistane so cant go by the dosage listed, but not sure if that was just a rumor being a spread or an actual fact. So which would you guys suggest?
    Since its the same compound and the same price the only thing you know to be different is that one might be underdosed. So i'd go with the other unless someone has another criteria by which to make the call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meathed View Post
    ^^
    I was adding emphasis. Good catch tho for your 11th post newbie
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyChemist View Post
    I was adding emphasis. Good catch tho for your 11th post newbie
    No offense was intended man. I was agreeing with you actually and attempting to "add emphasis" with a twist of satire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meathed View Post
    No offense was intended man. I was agreeing with you actually and attempting to "add emphasis" with a twist of satire.
    same here bro. just razzing you a little, i'm not offended.
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    Epistane is not under-dosed. I've taken it and Epithin-E, Both were dosed the same, and the Epistane was stronger.
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    I agree with GMG760. I have run Epistane brand twice and Havoc once. The first trial each of the epi's I did not stack with any other PH/DS/AS, just some ancillary/support supps. They were ran equally as 30/30/40/40/40/40. Both had very mild sides and after the first week the desired effects were well established. I did have a higher tendency towards aggression while on the Epistane, however cannot definitively attribute this to that compound. Overall my impression of both were satisfactory. What I like best about this particular PH variety is the site-specific estrogen blocker. I have never experienced, (knocks on wood), any semblance of gyno while on nor during PCT. I am currently on week 3 of a six week run of Epistane and PP's 1-T. Aside from a minimal amount of shedding and mostly contact related acne from the transdermal, It is going extremely well. With a CKD and solid 6 day cardio AM, weight PM, I am seeing some benefits mostly in the area of vascularity and muscle separation. I am having some stubbornly persistent lumbar back pain(pump) though. PITA for sure but tolerable and an acceptable side to manage.

    BTW, where exactly did you read that the manufacturer of Epistane was producing an under-dosed product? Was there some kind of analysis done to corroborate the claim? My interest is peaked.
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    Mega dose some Taurine for those back pumps bro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMG760 View Post
    Mega dose some Taurine for those back pumps bro.
    I'll have to try that. There is some in one of my post w/o protein powders, but not a significant amount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meathed View Post
    I'll have to try that. There is some in one of my post w/o protein powders, but not a significant amount.
    Yea, you will want a couple grams at least. Some people do 10 or so. I think 4-5 is enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saafanco View Post
    I know they are the same thing, but I was reading that IBE underdosed their epistane. If this is the case would it be better to just go with havoc? Which would you guys recommend?
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    That is true Maxximal. In case the OP wasn't sure, Epi and havoc are PS / DS and thus questions should be posted in the anabolics section.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyChemist View Post
    That is true Maxximal. In case the OP wasn't sure, Epi and havoc are PS / DS and thus questions should be posted in the anabolics section.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAxximal View Post
    thanks buddy
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