Natural Growth Hormone

[ecosocialist]

Are there any products out there that actually have a statistically significant effect on boosting growth hormone at night or in general?

I have used Dopa-tech, but besides waking up MUCH better, I didnt see much, if any, improvement in workout or workout recovery. (Although there really was no refractory period!).

I have heard many positive reviews from users of Powerfull, and I was lucky enough to sample Somnidren-GH which I was vastly impressed with - with there were more servings per container-.

So are there any products that truly increase GH secretions enough to notice an enhancement to muscle recovery/fat loss?


And to clarify, I'm not doubting Somnidren of Powerfull, in fact I would love to see some research involving the two.

 

[matthias7]

They must work ... IGF-2 as well.

Why not just use exogenase HGH? Its the one exogenase compound thats pretty safe to use long term.

Oh yeah there is another one and one of the supp. companies turned into an OTC.

 

[ecosocialist]

Why not just use exogenase HGH? Its the one exogenase compound thats pretty safe to use long term.

Oh yeah there is another one and one of the supp. companies turned into an OTC.

Could you expand on that a bit more?

 

[matthias7]

Not really. I don't know the OTC product and of course I only ever use OTC.

Exogenase HGH TD is easy to get. Its a bit expensive.

 

[ChrisDono]

I wonder if powerfull works :/

 

[tnubs]

Gaba and l-dopa

 

[futurepilot]

Are there any products out there that actually have a statistically significant effect on boosting growth hormone at night or in general?

GABA approx. 500%

 

[tnubs]

GABA approx. 500%

Does it really give u 5 times the GH level?

 

[ecosocialist]

This might be a bad question, but what would you estimate the percent increase of say, a normal GH injection?

Not that im interested, hate needles, but just trying to get a fair comparison.

 

[ecosocialist]

Well hell, im off to bed. For those of you who have experience involving them, which would be the best natural GH product I could pick up?

Somnidren I really enjoyed, its just that I wish it had more servings. But if thats the case, ill take what I can get.

 

[Army Guy]

The best research I have found on the matter is at
hghtruths.com/the-big-list-of-supplement-reviews/
this site is a bunch of dudes, i.e. doctors, bodybuilders, runners etc..., that have put all their UN-SPONSORED reviews and opinions down. Truth is, the majority of OTC is just garbage. The companies put in the correct ingredients in some cases, but the levels are laughable. They use nanograms..., and yes one nanogram equals one billionth of a gram. basically nothing. Another problem is the ingredients just don't support the natural stimulation of GH, or they have offsetting ingredients like whey with it. There are a few exceptions out there, however. Injection GH is a different matter all together.

 

[Army Guy]

Well hell, im off to bed. For those of you who have experience involving them, which would be the best natural GH product I could pick up?

Somnidren I really enjoyed, its just that I wish it had more servings. But if thats the case, ill take what I can get.

Check out the review of Somnidren in the link I posted above. When a bunch of GH junkies are afraid to take this because of the ingredients listed... it makes one wonder. Here is a quick snippet of what the review says:

Phenibut’s, Somnidren's secret ingredient, claim to fame is some Russian research from the 1960’s and some underground culture buzz that it is a substitute for GHB.
Forget the counter culture buzz. Phenibut is not a GHB replacement.
The Russian research is primarily about the use of phenibut as a drug to treat anxiety and insomnia. The Russian research seems to show that there is some good evidence that it works as for those purposes and it is sold in Russia as a neuropsychotopic drug.
Somehow, beta-phenyl-gamma-aminobutyric acid, also known as phenibut, fenibut, or phenybut, is being sold in the US as a dietary supplement. This is in spite of the fact that it does not seem to meet the standards set by the 1994 DSHEA ACT.
Still all the supplement manufacturing companies seem to be jumping on board with new products. Typical….
This is interesting in light of some of the things we do know about phenibut.
Phenibut users rapidly develop a tolerance to its effects, often in as little as 3 to 5 days. Also phenibut users often experience withdrawal symptoms. These withdrawl symptoms can be very unpleasant.
Sounds more like an addictive drug than a dietary supplement. The more “reputable” marketers suggest taking it for 2-3 days and then taking a week off.

 

[marco wolf]

Well hell, im off to bed. For those of you who have experience involving them, which would be the best natural GH product I could pick up?

Somnidren I really enjoyed, its just that I wish it had more servings. But if thats the case, ill take what I can get.

I haven't tried this yet, but a combo of lysine/arginine is supposed to raise levels if taken at bedtime.

Medical Clinic V.
University of Rome,
Rome, Italy
Curr. Med Res. Opin., (1981), 7, 475.Received: 13th March 1981
Summary
A study was carried out in 15 male volunteers to evaluate qualitatively the secretion of growth factors
following stimulation by oral amino acids. the results showed that oral administration of a combination
of two amino acids (1200 mg l-lysine plus 1200 mg l-arginine) provoked a release of pituitary
somatotrophin and insulin. This phenomenon was reproducible and the growth hormone secreted in
response to this stimulation had biological activity (as demonstrated by radio recepter assay and
somatomedin induction). The effect appeared to be specific to the combination of the two amino
acids; neither of the amino acids demonstrated appreciable stimulating activity when administered
alone, even at the same doses.

 

[strategicmove]

I haven't tried this yet, but a combo of lysine/arginine is supposed to raise levels if taken at bedtime.

I recall Arginine Pyroglutamate and Lysine HCL in a ratio of 2:1.

 

[marco wolf]

I recall Arginine Pyroglutamate and Lysine HCL in a ratio of 2:1.

Subjects and methods
Fifteen healthy male volunteers, aged 15 to 20 years, free of all endocrine or metabolic abnormalities
and who were not receiving any kind of medical treatment, were kept under observation for 2 days.
After initial blood samples had been obtained, each subject received a single oral dose of 2400 mg
amino acids (1200mg l-arginine-2-pyrrolidone-5-carboxylate plus 1200 mg l-lysine hydrochloride)
on an empty stomach. Blood samples were again drawn at intervals of 30. 60, 90 and 120 minutes
after amino acid administration. The experiment was repeated after intervals of 10 and 20 days.

 

[futurepilot]

Does it really give u 5 times the GH level?

Thats the studies I've seen. 500-750%

 

[BurghHardcore]

The best research I have found on the matter is at
hghtruths.com/the-big-list-of-supplement-reviews/
this site is a bunch of dudes, i.e. doctors, bodybuilders, runners etc..., that have put all their UN-SPONSORED reviews and opinions down. Truth is, the majority of OTC is just garbage. The companies put in the correct ingredients in some cases, but the levels are laughable. They use nanograms..., and yes one nanogram equals one billionth of a gram. basically nothing. Another problem is the ingredients just don't support the natural stimulation of GH, or they have offsetting ingredients like whey with it. There are a few exceptions out there, however. Injection GH is a different matter all together.

That's a pretty cool website. Straight forward and to the point. No B.S. it seems. Funny how most of the cheaper and more "simple" products have the highest ratings. Makes you wonder.

 

[hl80]

Anybody take bulk GABA powder? That stuff is dirt cheap. I wonder how effective just straight GABA is?

 

[marzanaut]

Arginine and lysine are garbage. I've read several pubmed studies disproving the value of these two. I remember back in the 80s-early 90s the arginine and ornithine was coupled with lysine. Worked as good as a metabolic optimizer and Hot Stuff together.

 

[marco wolf]

Arginine and lysine are garbage. I've read several pubmed studies disproving the value of these two. I remember back in the 80s-early 90s the arginine and ornithine was coupled with lysine. Worked as good as a metabolic optimizer and Hot Stuff together.

I'd like to read those studies. Do you have any links? Individually, they don't do anything, but together they supposedly do. In fact, together, they supposedly work better than GABA. Here's the drift, though. Raising growth hormone in a young adult won't do ****, as far as leaning out or muscle mass. It doesn't matter what supplement it is. MP, GABA, Arginine/lysine. It will only help an old fckr like myself. It will probably help with recuperation, but no "HGH" supplement is going to pack on pounds of beef on a younger fellow.

 

[ecosocialist]

I'd like to read those studies. Do you have any links? Individually, they don't do anything, but together they supposedly do. In fact, together, they supposedly work better than GABA. Here's the drift, though. Raising growth hormone in a young adult won't do ****, as far as leaning out or muscle mass. It doesn't matter what supplement it is. MP, GABA, Arginine/lysine. It will only help an old fckr like myself. It will probably help with recuperation, but no "HGH" supplement is going to pack on pounds of beef on a younger fellow.

And thats very fairly said. And pretty much what I figured. Help with recuperation goes a long way when you dont eat meat though...

 

[marzanaut]

google it. I'm on my bberry right now.

 

[Army Guy]

I'd like to read those studies. Do you have any links? Individually, they don't do anything, but together they supposedly do. In fact, together, they supposedly work better than GABA. Here's the drift, though. Raising growth hormone in a young adult won't do ****, as far as leaning out or muscle mass. It doesn't matter what supplement it is. MP, GABA, Arginine/lysine. It will only help an old fckr like myself. It will probably help with recuperation, but no "HGH" supplement is going to pack on pounds of beef on a younger fellow.

Macro hit the nail on the head! This stuff is for those of us over 35. GH is still being produced naturally at too high of levels any younger than that and supplementation is just being wasted.

 

[Army Guy]

That's a pretty cool website. Straight forward and to the point. No B.S. it seems. Funny how most of the cheaper and more "simple" products have the highest ratings. Makes you wonder.

Agreed. I have found that with most supps! :afro:

 

[marzanaut]

just thinking of the pictures I used to see when overdoses of HGH would scare the piss out of me. I remembered seeing frankenstein brow on the head..I dont know if that really exists, but it deters me from going near it.

 

[Army Guy]

just thinking of the pictures I used to see when overdoses of HGH would scare the piss out of me. I remembered seeing frankenstein brow on the head..I dont know if that really exists, but it deters me from going near it.

lol :laugh2:

 

[futurepilot]

Here's the drift, though. Raising growth hormone in a young adult won't do ****, as far as leaning out or muscle mass. It doesn't matter what supplement it is. MP, GABA, Arginine/lysine. It will only help an old fckr like myself. It will probably help with recuperation, but no "HGH" supplement is going to pack on pounds of beef on a younger fellow.

So it wont do shit, but it will probly help with recuperation? Man that sucks if the only thing I'm getting out of supplementing with GABA is an increased ability to repair my muscles. Sounds like a waste to me.....

 

[marzanaut]

sounds like your wallet is losing weight.

 

[marzanaut]

I do remember seeing more than a few articles in which t3 (cytomel) was able to enhance GH production considerably. I dont remember where I saw it, but I do remember it was added to a test cycle originally.

Obviously, cytomel isnt natural, however.

 

[marco wolf]

None of the so-called "natural" means of raising growth hormone do so chronically. In other words, they will spike your output temporarily, but it will always go back to the base level. This might be helpful if done around a workout or at bedtime, but without raising the levels at least semi-permanently, it's not going to be highly anabolic. Melatonin MAY help raise growth hormone levels, if you are deficient.

Taking GABA wouldn't be a waste if it makes you feel better, puts you in a better mood or helps you sleep alot better. I don't think it's going to do much more than that, even if it does spike your growth hormone levels.

Marzanaut, I found those studies you were talking about. One study said they didn't do anything. Another study said that they acutely raised levels, but didn't raise them chronically. These studies used L-Arginine. The one I presented used l-arginine-2-pyrrolidone-5-carboxylate, which probably doesn't make it very cost effective anyway, even if it did raise GH levels.

I usually take melatonin and a low dose of 15% mucuna at bedtime, myself. 5 on/2 off with occasional breaks.

 

[marzanaut]

Hence, the reason why this amino acid combination died out.

 

[Flaw]

Are there any products out there that actually have a statistically significant effect on boosting growth hormone at night or in general?

I have used Dopa-tech, but besides waking up MUCH better, I didnt see much, if any, improvement in workout or workout recovery. (Although there really was no refractory period!).

If you improved your sleep and woke up much more refreshed you increased your HGH. Sleep is the best remedy for increasing HGH besides actual HGH. So sleep aids indirectly help you release HGH. Also keep your carb intake low before going to bed. High carbs before bed interfere with HGH. I try to eat high protein/fat before going to bed and the difference in my sleep is black and white vs a good amount of carbs.

 

[ecosocialist]

If you improved your sleep and woke up much more refreshed you increased your HGH. Sleep is the best remedy for increasing HGH besides actual HGH. So sleep aids indirectly help you release HGH. Also keep your carb intake low before going to bed. High carbs before bed interfere with HGH. I try to eat high protein/fat before going to bed and the difference in my sleep is black and white vs a good amount of carbs.

Nice, you have officially validated my excuse for buying either Bulletproof of somnidren! :silly:

 

[tnubs]

If you improved your sleep and woke up much more refreshed you increased your HGH. Sleep is the best remedy for increasing HGH besides actual HGH. So sleep aids indirectly help you release HGH. Also keep your carb intake low before going to bed. High carbs before bed interfere with HGH. I try to eat high protein/fat before going to bed and the difference in my sleep is black and white vs a good amount of carbs.

Every time i try no carbs before bedtime i wake up between an hour or 2 hrs later and am starving. I tend to make bad decisions when im half awake.

 

[Army Guy]

So the decision if one wants to raise HGH naturally through sleep is:
Take Secretagogue Gold (the highest rated HGH booster on the market according to hghtruths.com/the-big-list-of-supplement-reviews/) at a cost of $45-$55
OR
1 bottle of Meletonin $8
tough choice

 

[marco wolf]

So the decision if one wants to raise HGH naturally through sleep is:
Take Secretagogue Gold (the highest rated HGH booster on the market according to hghtruths.com/the-big-list-of-supplement-reviews/) at a cost of $45-$55
OR
1 bottle of Meletonin $8
tough choice

This is about a 5 month supply, for me.


http://store.anabolicminds.com/product/optimum-nutrition/melatonin-3-mg-100-tabs.html

 

[Flaw]

Every time i try no carbs before bedtime i wake up between an hour or 2 hrs later and am starving. I tend to make bad decisions when im half awake.

That just means your hungry. Eat more carbs during the day Just keep your carb intake low atleast 2 hours before bed. High protein/High fat meal should curb that starving feeling. Maybe a shake with protein and peanut/almond butter.

 

[marzanaut]

Every time i try no carbs before bedtime i wake up between an hour or 2 hrs later and am starving. I tend to make bad decisions when im half awake.

cottage cheese, 2 tbsp of peanut butter and a 1/2 scoop of whey-preferably chocolate. Drizzle it with Walden Farms Chocolate syrup and you got what tastes like chocolate cheesecake.

 

[tnubs]

i cant even play with cottage cheese. stuff tastes disgusting to me. lol

 

[Flaw]

i cant even play with cottage cheese. stuff tastes disgusting to me. lol

2% milk fat or higher for me. Fat free cottage cheese is one of the worst tasting things I've ever tried. Nothing helps it taste better.

 

[gibsonj4]

I'd like to read those studies. Do you have any links? Individually, they don't do anything, but together they supposedly do. In fact, together, they supposedly work better than GABA. Here's the drift, though. Raising growth hormone in a young adult won't do ****, as far as leaning out or muscle mass. It doesn't matter what supplement it is. MP, GABA, Arginine/lysine. It will only help an old fckr like myself. It will probably help with recuperation, but no "HGH" supplement is going to pack on pounds of beef on a younger fellow.

There was a similar study reported in a book called "Nutrients as Ergogenic Aids for Sports and Exerxise" by Luke Bucci in which the supplmentation for individual was give. It did raise GH secretion for about 30 minutes but after that, serum levels went back to baseline.