Thoughts on a stack?
- 07-15-2009, 05:45 PM
Thoughts on a stack?
So first off i am 17, with a little over 2 years lifting experience, i have used pro hormones before but i am looking to stay away from them until i am older, and just trying to make a reasonable stack to put on some size.
Of course my diet will be in check.
I am thinking of something basic like this..
Basic Whey Isolate
and possibly a natural test booster, whats you thoughts on those?
I have taken, Epistane, Sus500, Nolvadex Xt, so you can tell i have put some harsh products through my body, i am just curious if you guys think it would be safe to use a natural test booster, and any thoughts on ones you like?
- 07-16-2009, 11:54 AM
I don't think you need a test booster. If you really want to get an edge, learn how to eat. If I only knew at your age what I know now. I'm not going to give you a diet plan or a grocery list, you can find plenty of those online. I talk to and advise lots of middleschool and highschool football players who are trying to get an edge in the gym. If I'm talking beneath you then forgive me but I know this is the one thing that most kids your age are missing. Its hard to discipline yourself to eat often and to stay away from things you like but I promise you'll transform your body if you learn how to do it. I don't see anything wrong with the other supps in your list.
- 07-16-2009, 04:36 PM
at 17, YOUR BODY IS A NATURAL TEST BOOSTER, nothing wrong with all the stuff your taking but...as stated above...your diet can subsitute for all of those minus the protien. Eat alot of Protien and Alot of Slow Digesting Carbs...Before, During, and After your workout. then do the same thing for the rest of your evenly spaced out 3 meals. That will give you much more then what any supplement can provide.
07-16-2009, 05:51 PM
I know what you guys mean but my diet is pretty solid right now, i may start up a log again so you guys get an idea of the way i train, i train with a friend of mine going for his natural pro card, he is actually have Layne Norton write is diet up and program.
we do something like.
Monday: Upper body Power
Tuesday:Lower body Power
Thursday: Back/Chest Hypertrophy
Friday: Leg Hypertrophy
Saturday: Arms & Delts Hypertrophy
I don't drink, occasionally smoke weed thats it lol
Protein: 30-40g per meal mainly chicken, occasionally tuna or lean beef
Carbs: 50-60g per meal yams, brown rice, and oatmeal.
Fat: minimal 50g a day mostly before bed around 25g before bed (peanut butter & olive Oil)
Of course i am a kid and there will be times were everything isn't perfect i cheat here and there since i am at my gf and she doesn't always have the best sources i should be taking in. At restraunts i always select that best choice i can.
5-6 meals a day.
I think i am going to start logging what i eat a little more so i can slowly increase my carbs and work my metabolism up for a great bulk over the winter of 3,500-4,000 calories.
Well what you guys think?
Taking a break from No Products i am worried i am exhaust my adrenal glands from that amount of caffeine i take and i also sometimes on some ADD meds, it's a stimulant called Vivance during school and occasionally over the summer.
But post workout 2 scoops xtend and waxy maize with 5 grams creatine monohydrate.
And 30min-1hour later Oats and Whey Shake.
How is this looking?
07-16-2009, 05:59 PM
Your diet and training look good, I still recommend adding a meal with carbs before your workout and a shake with waxy maize during ur workout.
as for your supp stack, its looks good and basic. How much Beta Alanine do you plan on consuming and when? Also are you cycling the creatine? If not I'd recommend before you start this stack taking a break from it for at least 2 weeks then do a loading phase with it. still feel the test booster is unnecessary at your age. but if you do plan on taking one may I ask which?
07-16-2009, 06:43 PM
If thats really your daily intake (and I have no reason to believe its not) and your staying consistent, you should be seeing significant changes in your physique and strength from month to month. If you're not, I would like to see your workouts in more detail. In any case I believe test boosters are a waist of money for you. And please stay away from PH's! I would have to be using illegal drugs to have the testosterone levels in my body that you have right now, naturally. Use what you already have. Good luck bro.
07-16-2009, 11:57 PM
Thanks you guys, well i am not saying i am not seeing results i am just looking for an edge you know, i make gains good gains and i switch things up every 6 weeks. I can write up my workout if you guys like.
But ya i feel useing those Ph's may have down my harm then good in terms of gains. I plan on cycleing the creatine when i run out.
And as of which test booster probably something like Gaspari Nolvadex XT or Diesel Test Hardcore, any suggestions on a good one if i did?
07-17-2009, 12:12 AM
07-17-2009, 02:11 AM
07-17-2009, 10:17 AM
07-17-2009, 10:44 AM
07-17-2009, 10:45 AM
07-17-2009, 11:05 AM
You don't need a test booster at 17. You need to eat train; lather, rinse, repeat. Nobody gets huge overnight.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
07-17-2009, 11:57 AM
07-17-2009, 12:01 PM
07-17-2009, 12:05 PM
07-17-2009, 12:10 PM
07-17-2009, 12:12 PM
when i watch the question get avoided like this, Im a bit conflicted. I realize you dont want to answer the young lad because you don't want to encourage his unnecessary and maybe even irresponsible behavior. however the other side of that is instead of getting information from a knowledgable source he will have to rely on his buddy sitting next to him in biology class. which im guessing probaly led him to experimenting with designer roids in the first place. in the end..he is going to take a test booster too, why not point him in the safest direction since he's going to do it regardless of how many people tell him its not necessary at his age
07-17-2009, 12:17 PM
07-17-2009, 12:21 PM
The safest route, and not coincidentally the best, is to focus on your diet and training. 2 years is still very early in the BBing game and you still have much to learn. There is no magic bullet and everyone responds differently to certain diets and training routines. Try a new system and a new diet before hopping on the test booster bandwagon. You're F'ing 17; these products are going to do very little, if anything, to get you to where you want.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
07-17-2009, 12:25 PM
07-17-2009, 12:29 PM
I feel PH's should be avoided untill you have met most your growth potential, i am talking about Natural Test Boosters, i know what you mean Rodja, i have been doing different Programs and Diet upping my carb intake and what not and makeing quality gains just wanted to see if that would help anymore.
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